PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[MH.Yang]

Why have we stopped further procurement of Block 3s? Given the decades long hype of Block 3 and now we stop at 26 units?

PAF should have about 120 Mirages and 60 J-7P/PGs that need to be replaced. Even if PAF buys another 40 J-35s and 40 J-10Cs, it will need to continue production of about 100 JF-17b3.
And the early JF-17's are running out of airframe life and will need blk3's to replace them, along with export orders. the blk3's production line will actually be working under a lot of pressure.

 

[StormBreaker]

Most probably india will induct su57 in coming future

That would be great honestly.
5th gen in IAF is inevitable, sooner or later. Let it be SU-57 instead of F-35.

Another saga of low availability, issues here and there. That will keep IAF grounded even during peace times.

In the meantime, We go for J-35s.

But remember, The sudden “SU-57 for IAF” could be a propaganda from India as well. They might want us to make haste decisions and then go for F-35s later (least likely but not out of the picture).

 

[StormBreaker]

PAF should have about 120 Mirages and 60 J-7P/PGs that need to be replaced. Even if PAF buys another 40 J-35s and 40 J-10Cs, it will need to continue production of about 100 JF-17b3s.

All I can hope now is that the PAF is probably keeping a secrecy over Block 3 productions/inductions or probably they are using the funds to upgrade all of the existing fleet to B3 standards. Either way, this would be great. A third option might be some major development over a new block which PAF is waiting for to induct instead.

 

[MH.Yang]

All I can hope now is that the PAF is probably keeping a secrecy over Block 3 productions/inductions or probably they are using the funds to upgrade all of the existing fleet to B3 standards. Either way, this would be great. A third option might be some major development over a new block which PAF is waiting for to induct instead.

The early JF-17 was built with conventional titanium-aluminum alloys that didn't have a long airframe life, and now that it should be nearing the end of its life, it has no value for upgrades.

 

[MH.Yang]

Than we have answer in form J-35 which far far more batter stealth capabilities than Su-57

If you look at the short term, India's choice of Su-57 does favor Pakistan, but if you look at the long term, India's choice of Su-57 is more favorable to India than F-35. What is more alarming is that the Indian government is beginning to have the vision and mindset to choose long-term benefits.

If India chooses F-35, Americans will help us to lock up the development of Indian aviation industry and squeeze the space of strategic options for Indians again and again, Indians also lack the ability to digest the F-35 technology, and in the end, what Indians get is only a paper combat capability like Rafale.

And if the Indians go for Su-57, it is likely to come with a host of aerospace technology inputs including warfare systems. In the long run, it will cause far more trouble than the F-35.

For a country like India, it is far more important to inhibit the development of their aviation industry than to shoot down a few more planes.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath said India plans to procure 42 fifth generation fighters from friendly allies as stop gap measure. This clearly in response to Pakistan buying J-35 from China.

 

[PakAl]

PAF should have about 120 Mirages and 60 J-7P/PGs that need to be replaced. Even if PAF buys another 40 J-35s and 40 J-10Cs, it will need to continue production of about 100 JF-17b3.
And the early JF-17's are running out of airframe life and will need blk3's to replace them, along with export orders. the blk3's production line will actually be working under a lot of pressure.

Pakistan already has 75 f16s, 156 Jf17s, 20 J10CE. Total 251 modern 4th 4.5th generation planes. Another 40 J10CEs and 40 J35s will be enough for paf totalling 331 modern fighter planes.

 

[StormBreaker]

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath said India plans to procure 42 fifth generation fighters from friendly allies as stop gap measure. This clearly in response to Pakistan buying J-35 from China.

They better get 100s because 42 would be get shot within 3 hours.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

They better get 100s because 42 would be get shot within 3 hours.

The fifth generation F-35 and Su-57 are cheaper than the fourth generation French Rafale which were overpriced and underperforming. India always jumps to buy the new shiny overpriced weapons like the gold jewelry that they love.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

The early JF-17 was built with conventional titanium-aluminum alloys that didn't have a long airframe life, and now that it should be nearing the end of its life, it has no value for upgrades.

Can you tell how much hours airframe life is of JF17C and J10CE? as F-16 has 12000 hours airframe life?

@Michael do you know about airframe life of newer chinese fighter aircrafts?

 

[guangdongt]

India's purchase of F35 is the best choice for China. India controlled by the United States is in line with China's interests. On the contrary, India's purchase of Su57 is definitely not the best choice for China.We are well aware of Russia's cautious thinking。If I had to make a decision, I would rather see India have AIM260 as long as it hinders their development of domestic weapons.Whether China or the United States, there is no difference in the essence of India's weapons testing ground The market.The SU57 has a spacious body, with a payload capacity and range that continues Russia's excellent tradition. After being equipped with advanced aviation systems, it will unleash its true power. On the contrary, the F35 was born in a peaceful era when the United States had no opponents. It was a project that attempted to meet multiple needs, and now there are many problems and troubles. The reason why the F35 still carries a halo is because the West has a well-established and vast military industrial system as a backing. If the F35 is left in the environment of Russia, It's a problem how many times it can be effectively deployed。

 

[MH.Yang]

Can you tell how much hours airframe life is of JF17C and J10CE? as F-16 has 12000 hours airframe life?

@Michael do you know about airframe life of newer chinese fighter aircrafts?

The F-16 airframe time you're talking about includes mid-life extension upgrades.

F-16 airframe life without life extension is 8,000 hours, the F-16 requires in-depth maintenance every 400 hours and has a wing-body fusion and side-stripe wing design that substantially extends airframe life.

Early JF-17 airframe life without life extension is 4000 hours. I'm not sure about the airframe life of the JF-17blk3 with extensive use of composites. You can refer to the J-10C, which also uses composites, which has an airframe life of 7000 hours.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The F-16 airframe time you're talking about includes mid-life extension upgrades. F-16 airframe life without life extension is 8,000 hours, the F-16 requires in-depth maintenance every 400 hours and has a wing-body fusion and side-stripe wing design that substantially extends airframe life.

Early JF-17 airframe life without life extension is 4000 hours. I'm not sure about the airframe life of the JF-17blk3 with extensive use of composites. You can refer to the J-10C, which also uses composites, which has an airframe life of 7000 hours.

Source? That F-16 is bound to have in-depth overhaul in every 400 hours?

 

[MH.Yang]

Source? That F-16 is bound to have in-depth overhaul in every 400 hours?

A few years ago a big guy on a Chinese military forum said that the F-16 undergoes deep maintenance every 400 hours, which takes about 1500 hours. Pakistani military fans should be more familiar with F-16 than me, let the PDF bigwigs verify if it's true or not.

 

[iblini]

A J35 at the back.