Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[rafale]

Btw - if anyone wants a analogous post mortem to IAF operations, Tejas or Arjun projects and so on. Just see the much maligned and made fun of story of the 90 degree Bridge in Bhopal.

The way everyone is pointing fingers at each other - departments refusing to work together - people being hired not on merit - etc.
Is a clear reflection of the issues within India’s state institutions and programs.

Have the money needed
Even have good knowledge and ideas
But the whole back and forth, delays, red tapes and all means everyone just wants to get the rubber stamp and get over with it. Then celebrate it with coconuts and garlands later.

Same with their procurement
Same with their exercises

Pakistanis should PRAY with rubbing their foreheads on the floor to Allah that this culture in India never changes.

This is what keeps you safe and surviving.

Pakistanis have similar tendencies as well - save for the overwhelming lopsided power structure - which in its cancerous nature has benefits that it allows that thin veneer of competent people - both in and out of uniform - to say “Shut up and do your job right”.

May Allah keep these people safe, give them greater impact and grant others the guidance to do the same.

The bolded statement.....this is what the Dutch fixed and Amsterdam became the global sea trotting empire well before London......

Same done by Singapore, China, Korea, Taiwan....

India will never come close to any of the above nations despite the total GDP size as long as they remain like this....

I believe this is what Israelis also did...........and as much as I would hate to say this to the otherwise Anti-Israeli Pakistani nation, learn from Israelis more than anyone else......they started in similar situations and similar challenges....but took full advantage of the opportunities that Americans and Europeans gave them.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

I don't think this is a similar situation. The female pilot exists, and we know she exists because we've seen her in Indian propaganda material.

Despite all of India's BS claims about security, all they need to do is show a picture or video of her to prove she's fine.

I do not understand this weird obsession about making India prove all sorts of rumors cooked up by Pakistan. If India says a particular PAF pilot is dead, should Pakistan need to show a video or picture of that pilot? Did Pakistan do that in 2019 when whole "Doosra Banda" brouhaha was at its peak?

If anything, Pakistan needs to prove its ridiculous claims.

 

[Baibers_1260]

I do not understand this weird obsession about making India prove all sorts of rumors cooked up by Pakistan. If India says a particular PAF pilot is dead, should Pakistan need to show a video or picture of that pilot? Did Pakistan do that in 2019 when whole "Doosra Banda" brouhaha was at its peak?

If anything, Pakistan needs to prove its ridiculous claims.

Question: Did AVM Hilal Ahmed Rather survive the mission he was leading on May 6, 2025 ?
His absence is conspicuous

 

[Master Chief]

Actually, part of me thinks there is still some wisdom in India and they are clamping the brakes on their own threat perception to avoid a major war in asia, they can then claim to say to the Americans that look.... we have not got the bite to worry China, but Pakistan we can, after all, if the Indians believe their destiny as a civilizational state and they have just experienced empire, would they not want to resist being used again?

I don't know why but I cannot completely discard this feeling, especially with the air force where they just had to buy enough decent planes 10 years ago...

Even if you are correct that the leadership of India has no real interest in a genuine war with Pakistan, the problem is they have created a self-perpetuating mob that they cannot control. It served them well in terms of vote bank politics but they have made civilisational promises to this hindutva vote base. Now, at the very least, they need to deliver on those civilisational promises or Modi-Yogi-Shah will be swapped for another unholy RSS trinity.

Personally, I actually think Modi-Yogi-Shah truly believe in their own propaganda. They truly want India to be some Akhand Bharat state and are encouraged by the Israeli blueprint, which does enjoy moderate degrees of success to be honest. Delhi has drunk all the Koolaid and believes it can fragment its enemies and exert civilisational control over them.

At the same time, they know full well that a war with Pakistan could draw China in decisively. They're drunk on hindutva mythology.

 

[Distant_Observer]

India’s obsession with Pakistan is only hurting one country I.e. India. What a pathetic foreign policy. Trying to sell arms to Greece because Turkey is a friend of Pakistan (BTW both Greece and Turkey are members of NATO) selling arms to Armenia because Azerbaijan is a friend to Pakistan, selling arms to Philippines because China is a friend of Pakistan. By this rule India should be selling arms to China as the US is a friend of Pakistan and about sell blk 60 upgrades kits and maybe brand new Blk 60s to Pakistan.

In their narrative Pakistan is a pariah state which should be not be allowed to have allies and partners. That's why they pushed the US to deny the use of F-16s against India. They were expecting Pakistan be militarily weak and considered the response to balakot by taking down their abhinanbread as a fluke.

It's very odd behavior because Pakistan doesn't feel the same about their military partners.

Combined with how foolish they were made to look after having their airforce grounded in the 1st night of battle Truly pathetic. Can you imagine what the anglo elites must have been thinking. They were waving their dick around with Vance prior to the attack.

We had people like Rishi Sunak and Indians in America literally stating that Pakistani civilans deserved to die. One of the US based ones said Pakistanis don't get play a victim. Can you belive that level of disdain.

It is important now we take IOK. These people need to be humbled like the Japanese after they were nuked.

 

[flyingorca]

There should be seperate thread about shivangi.

I believe PAF knew that she died or got injured in attack. Rumor was spread on purpose by PAF

She is long dead.

 

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[That_Guy]

I do not understand this weird obsession about making India prove all sorts of rumors cooked up by Pakistan. If India says a particular PAF pilot is dead, should Pakistan need to show a video or picture of that pilot? Did Pakistan do that in 2019 when whole "Doosra Banda" brouhaha was at its peak?

If anything, Pakistan needs to prove its ridiculous claims.

Once again it's not the same situation as 2019.

India literally made up a second pilot that doesn't exist.

In this case, the person in question exists. Not only does she exist, but she was one of the people directly involved in the air war during May 6-7, when the squadron she's was apart of lost (at least 1) Rafale(s).

We have not seen her since, while we've seen all the other members of her squadron in photos and videos since the ceasefire.

Once again....

In the case of 2019, India made up a completely nonexistent person.

In this case, India refuses to show even a picture of her, showing that they have something to hide.

India has been on the narrative back-foot since the war, and showing her is an easy win if she's completely fine.

You comment just sounds like cope, not logical.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I do not understand this weird obsession about making India prove all sorts of rumors cooked up by Pakistan. If India says a particular PAF pilot is dead, should Pakistan need to show a video or picture of that pilot? Did Pakistan do that in 2019 when whole "Doosra Banda" brouhaha was at its peak?

If anything, Pakistan needs to prove its ridiculous claims.

'new normal' starts with 6-0 with maimed acceptance of jets downing, coming after 40 days!

if thats a 'new normal', i'd say who needs 'normal' now!

 

[Lion]

Seems like quite comparable to SH-15 but the size of DRDO wheeled 155mm is way too big, does not seem that mobile.
Any more analysis by anyonre?

SH15 uses a 6x6 truck, this uses an 8x8, the size is bigger because they would want to use an existing platform (HMV15009) instead of making a new chassis + the Indian gun has an extra compartment at the back for firing Operations.

It’s actually the SH-15 which is uncharacteristically small and light for its gun size, most 155/52 SPGs are the size of MSG with 8x8 Chassis. This is likely because China wanted theirs to be air-mobile in a medium sized transport (Y-9).

 

[Oscar]

I do not understand this weird obsession about making India prove all sorts of rumors cooked up by Pakistan. If India says a particular PAF pilot is dead, should Pakistan need to show a video or picture of that pilot? Did Pakistan do that in 2019 when whole "Doosra Banda" brouhaha was at its peak?

If anything, Pakistan needs to prove its ridiculous claims.

Depends on the track record
Do you believe the boy who cried wolf all the time?
As far as ridiculous claims are concerned - everything from the “longest sam kill” to “300 dead” to “loose screws on missile pylons”

Pakistan has yet to reach that mastery

 

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This is what he is referencing.

Young BJP MP faces embarrassment after meeting Trump, claims report

During the recent international delegation visit led by Indian MPs to the United States, a BJP MP reportedly faced embarrassment after meeting US President Donald Trump.

english.varthabharati.in

 

[r3alist]

Even if you are correct that the leadership of India has no real interest in a genuine war with Pakistan, the problem is they have created a self-perpetuating mob that they cannot control. It served them well in terms of vote bank politics but they have made civilisational promises to this hindutva vote base. Now, at the very least, they need to deliver on those civilisational promises or Modi-Yogi-Shah will be swapped for another unholy RSS trinity.

Personally, I actually think Modi-Yogi-Shah truly believe in their own propaganda. They truly want India to be some Akhand Bharat state and are encouraged by the Israeli blueprint, which does enjoy moderate degrees of success to be honest. Delhi has drunk all the Koolaid and believes it can fragment its enemies and exert civilisational control over them.

At the same time, they know full well that a war with Pakistan could draw China in decisively. They're drunk on hindutva mythology.

I think that if Pakistan was weak enough they would be tempted, I think the historical chip on the shoulder is real, it's like a hedge

But honestly come on do you really think this blood and guts war will ever happen? If the west want it to happen anywhere it should be India versus China




But a China backing Pakistan really makes the cost too high, especially Pakistan get 5th generation fighters much ahead of India

So have India conveniently left themselves in a position where they are buying weapons and platforms yet are still conveniently very far off from China and Pakistan...

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Depends on the track record
Do you believe the boy who cried wolf all the time?
As far as ridiculous claims are concerned - everything from the “longest sam kill” to “300 dead” to “loose screws on missile pylons”

Pakistan has yet to reach that mastery

I belive Pakistan has WAY WAY WAY worse track record.
Remember, Osama?
Remember denying Kargil forces?
Remember denying Mumbai attacker is a Pakistani (Kasab) while Nawaz Shariff himself agreed? Now Headley et al is telling the tales.