India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Metal 0-1]

Everyone is wrong. Even respectable journalists don't know anything. Heck, even the PAF and its ACM are wrong. Only apu jeet has the answers.

Dalit bin Warnes shut your ass up.

 

[Dalit]

butthurt, you're no one. You can literally send video of you offing yourself. I won't care

Yep here he comes. His signature remark. You are no one. The most knowledgeable and enlightened member of PDF. We are so lucky to have you.

 

[mythbuster]

When they increase the number of Rafales, it means the same incident involved a different variant of the jet. The actual number stands at 6… and increase in this number will damage the credibility in my opinion and shouldn’t exaggerate

There's no exaggeration......be contrarian is cool truth be damned

 

[Metal 0-1]

Yep here he comes. His signature remark. You are no one. The most knowledgeable and enlightened member of PDF. We are so lucky to have you.

Don't mention it

 

[sambody]

Highly reputable aviation journalist and Editor of world renowned military aviation magazine AirForces Monthly reveals the bitter truth that the Indian AirForce and Indian military and civilian leadership have been desparate to cover up for last two months.

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If you read his tweet , he is just quoting the Pakistani air force chief. It is hardly an independent source. Even he himself is not claiming to have done any primary research as the basis for this tweet.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I didn't made any claims. lol.

Your pea sized brain can't comprehend a what I'm saying.

I'm saying is we have photos of 1x Rafale, 1x Mig-29, 1x Su-30, 1x M-2000. Now claim is for total of 3x Rafale. Tatal aircraft 6. Believable sure. I also believe that number.

Now the far fetched claims after a month doesn't make any sense. PAF didn't do a proper BDA which Indians did. All I want PAF is to do a proper BDA. I don't care if Pakistan managed to hit a tree. But for the sake of credibility and for the sake of personnel and children lost in Indian attacks. A proper BDA is a must.

do you sleep when you are awake?!!!

Indians themselves dont know how many jets were shot down!

dont belittle yourself with pathetic argumentation. As told, find evidence, of your claims first that what you are told is wrong.

until then my claims are right.... these are not 'extra ordinary' claims for personal gains.
Indians have'nt even shown their Raf. since the skirmish!


lastly, when was the last time, your brain did some 'puzzle solving'?!!!

there are very good ones on the internet, you just need to look at them closely.

 

[Metal 0-1]

do you sleep when you are awake?!!!

Indians themselves dont know how many jets were shot down!

dont belittle yourself with pathetic argumentation. As told, find evidence, of your claims first that what you are told is wrong.

until then my claims are right.... these are not 'extra ordinary' claims for personal gains.
Indians have'nt even shown their Raf. since the skirmish!


lastly, when was the last time, your brain did some 'puzzle solving'?!!!

there are very good ones on the internet, you just need to look at them closely.

There's a fine line between questioning something and claiming about something.
For the last time I will question claims on both sides till there's clear evidence.
Indians claim about destroying a Saab-2000, I don't believe it. They said we shot down an F-16 I don't believe it. They said Chunian plus 2 other radar sites (can't recall their names) were destroyed but they were intact.


Same with Pakistani claims. 6 Jets sure I can believe that. we're missing just 2 wreckages, There's chatter in Indian spaces too. it's close enough.
S-400! now that sat image PAF showed be honest don't show anything.

All DGISPR needs to do is pay up Chinese to release high resolution images and settle this matter once for all. Chinese firm release Bholari images(paid by India). Why not use the same resource.

I'm not making new claims

 

[Metal 0-1]

The same thing Bilal from Quwa mentioned in his podcast. Indians had edge in Battle Damage Assesment Dept.. Pakistan's lack of BDA is raising more questions.

 

[Yasser76]

butthurt, you're no one. You can literally send video of you offing yourself. I won't care

post reported, no need for this vile stuff on here

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Dassault is now regretting selling Rafales to India. French are scrambling to create lies and rumours.

Dassault Aviation on Tuesday denied its CEO Eric Trappier made any "operational or technical" comments regarding any loss of Rafale during Op Sindoor.

"In response to certain press reports quoting Dassault Aviation Chairman & CEO, Eric Trappier, about the Sindoor operation, Dassault Aviation formally denies Eric Trappier has made any operational or technical comments regarding the use of Rafale in this operation," Dassault said in a statement Tuesday. Earlier, a French website had quoted him in an interview saying there was "loss of one aircraft, without enemy contact, due to a technical failure at high altitude, which is under investigation".

 

[Metal 0-1]

post reported, no need for this vile stuff on here

Calling racial slurs is okay but this is here we draw the line got it

 

[Yasser76]

Calling racial slurs is okay but this is here we draw the line got it

You infect and destroy every thread you people take part in.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

No matter what the truth is, I tend to agree that if you keep changing your story or figures then it will damage your credibility. You have to choose one figure backed by credible evidence and stick to it.

Not really professional for different groups to make different claims. Or keep switching it up.

 

[Master Chief]

The credibility is indeed harmed if you make claims without providing any additional evidence, the slowly revealing kills narrative doesn't work, now I don't know what exactly sidhu said to warnes maybe he misunderstood PAF chiefs words, who knows.

Permit me to elaborate further.

The underlying assumption you are making though is that a military body should function through necessary transparency in its documentation of actions and a burden of visible proof that is beyond all doubt.

This context simply does not apply for ANY military body anywhere in the world.

A military's objective is to achieve military objectives. Sometimes, in fact usually, that necessitates secrecy.

I don't believe we can safely apply the parameters you wish to see in the PAF, if we wish to preserve the PAF's operational security.

I do not want them sharing irrefutable proof of every kill because, fundamentally, why should we waste and/or compromise the security of our resources/sources, whether those resources/sources are technological or human assets? I am happy to see just enough to achieve a set military (or political) objective.

As an example, if India can be: (a) coerced into establishing a no fly zone for their air force, (b) scrambling and embarrassing themselves with fictional and contradictory narratives in global media, and (c) publicly contradicting the narratives of the most powerful individual in the world (DJT), all from us claiming 6 instead of 7 or 8 kills, then that is fine. A tangible objective has already been attained and no further resources need wasting or risking in this process.

Having said all of that, we have seen in the past anyway, that Pakistan and China both use a slow-cook strategy to embarrass Indian narratives quite late on, probably after they have released 2-3 Bollywood movies claiming otherwise. Delayed infowars have some additional advantages.

Anyway I have banged on enough and I fully appreciate that some folks like more instant gratification. That's fine. Personally, I'm happy to let the enemy stew a bit more indefinitely. PAF has done its job. Politicians definitely need to answer many questions. And we should prepare for the next conflict, which will be much harder for us.

 

[Toxic]

No matter what the truth is, I tend to agree that if you keep changing your story or figures then it will damage your credibility. You have to choose one figure backed by credible evidence and stick to it.

Not really professional for different groups to make different claims. Or keep switching it up.

Exactly why nobody was taking Indians seriously during the may skirmish, we didn't lose planes, we were using decoys, jets were lost in accidents, we shot down a dozen PAF jets etc etc.