India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Dalit]

Please..let the world know after the count has reached 38.

"Saaaaar, no Rafale was shot down ."

 

[Vapnope]

Please..let the world know after the count has reached 38.

World already knows its the indians doing somersault as usual. The only people who see a full burnt out rafale engine and then say with a poker face that "Where is the proof".

 

[MastanKhan]

Yes it was Cowardice to some extent. Had we shot down those aircraft we would not be lamenting the SOW strikes and Indian missile strikes that much days later. I have to concede PAF did learn from last time and prepared an aggressive response instead of standard CAPs this time, but it wasn't harsh enough.I hope this was a lesson well learnt , and I pray the enemy is as arrogant and ignorant as it was this time, the next time too.

Hi,

My brother---one can be stupid for only so long---everyone learns.

 

[lightning f57]

The weird thing is they keep selling them Rafale and other equipment. When they have proven unreliable. Scorpene debacle anyone?

Let the French milk the Indians seems to be a mutual agreement.

 

[MastanKhan]

Let the French milk the Indians seems to be a mutual agreement.

Hi,

French don't milk anyone---. They sell an extremely high quality product---and charge very high price to everyone without prejudice.

Look at our Augusta 90 submarines---ran strong right from day 1---running strong after the upgrades---.

How about their mirage 3 & 5's---. Still going strong with the upgrades---.

Extremely lethal in strike missions.

There are some other things French that we operate---. Always tier 1 quality---.

 

[lightning f57]

Hi,

French don't milk anyone---. They sell an extremely high quality product---.

Look at our Augusta 90 submarines---ran strong right from day 1---running strong after the upgrades---.

French do have good products. When I say milk I sense corruption happening at both Dassault and Indian government level.

 

[r3alist]

In some ways it can be. Westerners including the Jews operate exactly as bullies on the streets do. They will push and push until there's an effective resistance. They don't want any resistance or push-back. It needs to teeter on mass destruction for them to recalculate their plans.

Pakistan is in a unique position to leverage its Islamic character as well its literal genetic and cultural connection to the greater Islamic world; thereby influencing them via Islamic values - but the rulers in Pakistan lack strategic vision to do so or most of them are on the foreign payroll specifically chosen to quiet down.

After watching the complete take-over of America by the pro-israeli politicians - it all makes sense why they went after any Political Islamic parties in the Islamic World. They've successfully turned the people that matter in these countries to very anti-Islam and pro "Democracy and Freedom" - meaning destroying the social fabric of countries so they can't resist. One only has to look at the women in Pakistan society to see the impacts of these nefarious policies. Gender studies, equality etc were guise to undermine Islamic values and create Westernized drones with inherent anti-Islamic leanings. Sorry to take this thread off-topic.


agreed.

Sorry I missed this earlier

Ok so what you are describing here, is maybe the real war

Or One more dimension of it

It's worthy of another thread, it's worthy of achieving a good understanding of

You see the west does promote Islamic parties, and groups

They promote the version that suits them and undermines the society, almost like some caricature of pure villainy, juxtaposed against a modern society your led to believe one is absolutely regressive and the other is progressive

And then they can swoop in with things like gender studies, disseminated via their chosen elites of the host nations


This creates social cracks and fissures, you can't accuse them of being biased however , they use their own societies to test the theories originally, however bad you may perceive Pakistan to be, compared to the UK and USA....ufff

So again, just think what the real war is?

What's more damaging, a smartphone or drones

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi, I absolutely agree with this. The higher ups are probably more concerned about their dollars stashed overseas.

A simple question... would the IAF have shown such mercy to the PAF? The PAF should have smashed every plane it could have that night.

Hi,

Just imagine---a wave of 72 to 80 aircraft coming in with the latest strike and combat weapons---.

Of these 80---35 to 40 were readied for strike---.

If the strike had been successful---pakistan would have suffered heavily---. Then the 2nd strike would have followed thru and then a 3rd strike and possibly israeli aircraft involved as well.

We missed destruction by a whisker---.

Fortunately---our sword struck their neck first---the consequences of that impact---they were not expecting---.

But if the thing had gone their way---there would be NO PAKISTAN standing today as we knew of it on may 5th 2025---.

 

[MastanKhan]

French do have good products. When I say milk I sense corruption happening at both Dassault and Indian government level.

Hi,

Corruption is a function of the defense industry---.

There are kick backs one way or the other---.

But at the end of the day---you have to see if what you procured after paying kickbacks---are you happy with the product---?

In the case of French product---I would say yes---100% of the time.

 

[Alex]

Yes it was Cowardice to some extent. Had we shot down those aircraft we would not be lamenting the SOW strikes and Indian missile strikes that much days later. I have to concede PAF did learn from last time and prepared an aggressive response instead of standard CAPs this time, but it wasn't harsh enough.I hope this was a lesson well learnt , and I pray the enemy is as arrogant and ignorant as it was this time, the next time too.

Thank you. I didn't want to say that; glad you did. Restraint in the face of a mad and rabid enemy is weakness. If you hesitate against such an enemy or overindulge in the consequences or escalation, you give your mad and dangerous enemy another chance to attack you with better preparation.
India doesn't consider Pakistan a country; they think it is part of them, and they want it back. You can't deal with such an enemy by showing restraint. It would become your weakness. They know Pakistan wouldn't retaliate with full force. They are not wrong; until 11th May, Pakistani ministers were saying in the media that shooting down the jets is enough; they are not going to retaliate for the killings of innocent Pakistanis.
Their hands were forced by India, which was emboldened by the hesitation shown by Pakistan on 6/7 May.
In that regard, we have to look at the statement made by their CDS. He said India was caught due to their operational shortcomings; they went underground for 2 days, changed the tactics, and came back to hit Pakistani bases. Basically, they realized if they used their jets, the result would again be the same until they understood the full Pakistani spectrum. Therefore, they decided to use missiles and drones on 11 May.

But they didn't deter from attacking Pakistan again on 11 May. They will attack again very shortly after further preparations.

 

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[Master Chief]

Pakistani ministers were saying in the media that shooting down the jets is enough; they are not going to retaliate for the killings of innocent Pakistanis.
Their hands were forced by India, which was emboldened by the hesitation shown by Pakistan on 6/7 May.
In that regard, we have to look at the statement made by their CDS. He said India was caught due to their operational shortcomings; they went underground for 2 days, changed the tactics, and came back to hit Pakistani bases. Basically, they realized if they used their jets, the result would again be the same until they understood the full Pakistani spectrum. Therefore, they decided to use missiles and drones on 11 May.

Honestly, you need to try some new tactic before you get the same treatment as @BonPlan .

You spend 5 posts saying you agree with everyone, then sneak in a narrative that has originated purely from whatever Indian echo chambers you frequent. There is absolutely no rationale or evidence for what you said in bold text above. It is fiction.

In fact, some frustrated forum goers here speculated that Pakistani politicians were satisfied with the shooting down of jets! However the ministers themselves did not at any point state what you accused them of stating. They are cowards but not so blatantly stupid.

The second part in bold is simply what General Chauhan said in his now infamous Bloomberg interview. This "went underground" and "changed tactics" phraseology is what Indians do to put make up on a pig.

The problem for you is that even if you are not Indian, and frankly nobody cares about that detail, you are consistently spreading an Indian narrative.

There is nothing wrong with being critical of Pakistan and even of PAF but if Delhi's fictional assertions and propaganda are used in support of that position, then the critique itself becomes propaganda.

 

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Hi,

I believe that some or most F22's are still running on GAA TR modules and some F35's on GAS TR modules---.

 

[MastanKhan]

Honestly, you need to try some new tactic before you get the same treatment as @BonPlan .

You spend 5 posts saying you agree with everyone, then sneak in a narrative that has originated purely from whatever Indian echo chambers you frequent. There is absolutely no rationale or evidence for what you said in bold text above. It is fiction.

In fact, some frustrated forum goers here speculated that Pakistani politicians were satisfied with the shooting down of jets! However the ministers themselves did not at any point state what you accused them of stating. They are cowards but not so blatantly stupid.

The second part in bold is simply what General Chauhan said in his now infamous Bloomberg interview. This "went underground" and "changed tactics" phraseology is what Indians do to put make up on a pig.

The problem for you is that even if you are not Indian, and frankly nobody cares about that detail, you are consistently spreading an Indian narrative.

There is nothing wrong with being critical of Pakistan and even of PAF but if Delhi's fictional assertions and propaganda are used in support of that position, then the critique itself becomes propaganda.

Hi,

I actually heard Rana & brother in law speaking those comments what we shot down is enough---no revenge---.

 

[Sinnerman108]

True. That's my gripe with the Pakistani approach: why didn't they destroy IAF beyond recognition? The result is the common Indian's perception is due to their very vocal and mad media; India was in touching distance to capture Pakistani Kashmir. They are angry that when India was winning the war, why did they agree to the ceasefire?
You can't show restraint to such an evident, rabid and mad enemy.

Priorities.

BJP/RSS have a problem with history and some weak narratives

We don't have such compulsions.