Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

You were the one who wanted to discuss 100 years ago. So, let's discuss it. But I know you don't want to because it proves that Russia has been our worst enemy in the last 3 CENTURIES.

Yes, we should be played by second-class power like Russia against the West. How wise! Really wise.

Islamic Republic was different back then. Khomeini wasn't a KGB agent, Khamenei is, as proved by ample evidence of how he prefers Russian interests over Iran's interests.

Yeah, and those Jews (who are an "almost-Russian speaking" nation, per Comrade Putin) bombed Iran worse than Gaza. They killed over 1,100 Iranians in 12 days. The average is higher than the people they have killed in an ongoing genocide campaign in Gaza.

Bro this is way too off-topic. In my previous posts I answered most of your questions and suggestions (I edited and expanded them, read the complete versions). So lets agree to disagree if you have a different pov. We're in a genocidal war and God willing our united position, will, creativity, military, irrelevant of some stupid politicans, will punish the enemy and protect our borders.

 

[OldTwilight]

It's time for us to move past Shahab/Scud Ballistic missiles...

Our BM range should increase to 3500 km and our missiles warhead should go up to 15000 kilograms ... we need at least 3500 k4 missiles for The zions , 7000 for USA , 7000 for KSA and 3000 for Turkey ( for targeting west of Turkey ) .... if we halves the number , we need 11000-13000 k4-kheybar t to keep our regional foes in check .
this number should be doubled for 750-1500 km range bm missiles and triple for short-range missiles... we need 60,000 missiles in various types of missiles... if we consider 400k $ for average price of any missiles , we have to spend 25 billion $ for creating this arsenal, with added cost of missiles base, launchers, and personals, maintenance it can go up to 36 billions $ for 20 years period which means 1.8 billions $ per years....

this give us good conventional fire projection power against state like foes in our immediate approximately

I just consider these for my calculations
length of war : 30 days
number of missiles per day : 100

if we want to add 50% lose in war and increase the war length, it goes up drastically...

 

[Cash gk]

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What response? They got nothing to leverage anymore.

@Persian Gulf

Sometimes I feel it Iranians are so stupid they still trust Europe and America

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Sometimes I feel it Iranians are so stupid they still trust Europe and America

No, the problem is that 95% of the users here expect our diplomats to physically fight other diplomats, like neantherthals.

They don't understand that "polite" diplomacy doesnt necessarily exclude change of military doctrine (which plays in the background). They don't understand that diplomacy is a parallel process.

It's like expecting Putin to constantly threaten Europe and US with destruction, not offering any possible negotiation, simply because west is his enemy (which it is and they're at war).

Pakistani diplomats during the nuclear development period generally:

• Maintained a calculated, cautious, but firm stance.
• Emphasized security, deterrence, and parity.
• Used strategic ambiguity early on, then open defiance post-1998.
• Displayed a mix of diplomatic politeness and nationalistic assertiveness.
• Framed their nuclear policy as legitimate, defensive, and necessary.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

After reviewing thread on Pakistan Nuclear Program Timeline (Credit goes to the thread owner)

The difference between Pakistan and Iran is simple ,

Pakistan-India both commenced their Nuclear Tech ambitions before NPT since late 50's and later remained firm on not join bullshit organizations

When NPT started to get adopted , Pakistan was left with lot of Sanctions , India timed their Bomb blast prior to NPT. India still got all perks from Western world in form of Technology transfer etc

NPT is not word of god , it is piece of paper created for bullshitting

 

[Cash gk]

No, the problem is that 95% of the users here expect our diplomats to physically fight other diplomats, like neantherthals.

They don't understand that "polite" diplomacy doesnt necessarily exclude change of military doctrine (which plays in the background). They don't understand that diplomacy is a parallel process.

It's like expecting Putin to constantly threaten Europe and US with destruction, not offering any possible negotiation, simply because west is his enemy (which it is and they're at war).

Pakistani diplomats during the nuclear development period generally:

• Maintained a calculated, cautious, but firm stance.
• Emphasized security, deterrence, and parity.
• Used strategic ambiguity early on, then open defiance post-1998.
• Displayed a mix of diplomatic politeness and nationalistic assertiveness.
• Framed their nuclear policy as legitimate, defensive, and necessary.

Brother, don’t take this personally — I’m not angry. My point is simple: the main reason the West doesn’t want Iran to have an atomic bomb is so they can easily control your oil and gold reserves. Look at North Korea — they survive because of their nuclear deterrence. Iran must understand that in order to protect itself and truly survive, it needs a nuclear program and a strong security pact with China. Only then will Iran have an unlimited supply of weapons during wartime, just like Israel relies on endless support from Europe and America. If you want to counter Israel effectively, you need a better and continuous supply line that can outlast theirs. Without this, the West will always keep you under pressure through diplomacy and economic manipulation.
There is difference between Pakistan and Iran Pakistanis were doing things when there was no technology things available real time intelligence was not available. It was hard to send information for enemies spies to their countries and it was Afghan Soviet war going on the Pakistaní took full benefit of that time. but Iran is different case the world has changed. They are watching every each and every step of you from skies They attacked your nuclear facilities. They have killed your scientists generals even your president what cautious you’re looking for?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

When Iran's oil distribution and Russia's oil distribution is impacted
Also sanctions against Venezuela are also done with same intent

Guess who fill the gap ??
The Western Oil companies, Saudi who sell in the void markets , and make double profit

So this is the game Iran is facing with 30-40 years

The big game is to keep Irani oil out of market , and weaken airforce
and later come in and steal the oil reserves

For Iran Nuclear Tech is wayforward
Iran need a proper two way defence deal with Russia & China

 

[Hack-Hook]

I know, but the Iranian committee of referees in Iran still suck up to him. And he still holds an Iranian passport. His passport and Iranian nationality should be annulled.

It only can be angled if he come to Iran go to interior minister and demand them to annul it and then cabinet must approve the demand . For it to be approved he must be over 25, transfer his rights to any landed property he may own and he must passed his military service .
Then he must leave Iran in three month

Its in article 988 of Iranian civil code

 

[Hack-Hook]

The reformists' continued weakness even after the ceasefire is leading the situation toward the worst possible outcome.
By July, UN sanctions imposing a full blockade and disarmament on Iran will be reinstated, leaving Iran without even the right to self-defense.
It’s a repeat of what happened to Iraq.
The West and Israel are now convinced that Iran will not resist no matter what they do. With no withdrawal from the NPT and no blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, they are free to impose sanctions, bombings, and assassinations as they please.
European countries have already explicitly added Iran’s missile abandonment to their list of demands.
Unless the IRGC stages a coup and Khamenei wakes up, Iran will lose its national sovereignty by the end of this month.

Those sanction if Russia and China don't approve of new sanctions won't include defencive weaponary

 

[Cash gk]

These are Netanyahu’s 3 Conditions to have a deal with Iran

No uranium enrichment
Reducing missile range to under 480 KM
Ending support for Resistance groups
So you can understand where they are taking you they taking you to your destruction and there is nothing can stop doing them , Only one thing can stop them that is having a nuclear bomb.

 

[kastor ville]

I have no problems with YOU believing that the US was 'defeated' in Afghanistan and Iraq. Not one bit. In fact, I want all muslim militaries to believe like you do.

See that's why you soldiers should leave the strategy to the strategist.....Iraq and Afghanistan drained the US of 11 trillion dollars, that's a 1/3 of all of the outstanding debt the US owes, that took 150 yrs to accumulate. This is a strategic failure, buddy. You also don't know, but the dept of homeland security is an outcrop of 9/11...it costs the tax payers 100 billion a year...in 10 yrs that's a trillion dollars gone up in smoke. Remember, this dept did not exist prior to 9/11. The defense budget also grew...the pensions and disability claims also ballooned........is the picture getting clearer now? How did the Roman empire fall?....yeah, now you're getting it.
Now, Iraq is squarely in Iran's sphere of influence.....and Afghanistan has the Taliban back in control.

So, aside from a feel good vibe of killing people in those lands that had nothing to do with what happened on 9/11....what did you gain?

 

[kastor ville]

I counted thirty generals and commanders killed:

IRANIAN GENERALS ELIMINATED - Roles, Responsibilities & Operational Impacts:

1st - Lt. Gen. Hossein Salami (assassinated on June 13)
Role: IRGC COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
Responsibilities:
Supreme command of all IRGC forces (land, air, naval, and paramilitary)
Direction of national strategy and hybrid warfare
Control of the integrated Command and Control (C2) system

Operational Impacts:
Immediate collapse of the chain of command
Widespread disorganization and loss of morale
Severe decrease in response capability on multiple fronts

2nd - Lt. Gen. Mohammad Hossein Bagheri (assassinated on June 13)
Role: CHIEF OF THE JOINT STAFF
Responsibilities:
Inter-service coordination (Artesh, IRGC, Air Force)
Strategic operational planning and integrated logistics

Operational Impacts:
Disarticulation of the joint force effort
Delays in mobilization and synchronization of operations
Exploitable vulnerabilities on frontlines

3rd - Lt. Gen. Gholam Ali Rashid (assassinated on June 13)
Role: COMMANDER, HQ KHATAM AL-ANBIYA
Responsibilities:
Overseeing national strategic and operational planning
Managing electronic warfare and cyber defense

Operational Impacts:
Disruption of integrated defenses
Exposure to cyberattacks and sabotage
Vulnerability of critical infrastructure

4th - Brig. Gen. Gen. Ali Shadmani (Replacement for Lt. Gen. Gholam Ali Rashid) (assassinated on June 17)
Role: STRATEGIC FORTIFICATIONS COORDINATOR/ACTING COMMANDER, CENTRAL HQ Khatam Al-Anbiya
Responsibilities:
Construction and maintenance of bunkers, silos, and defensive infrastructure
Interim maintenance of central command

Operational Impacts:
Vulnerability of critical facilities to enemy attacks
Decreased resilience in prolonged combat
Slow decision-making and command instability
Opportunity for rapid enemy offensives

5th - Brig. Gen. Mehdi Rabbani (assassinated on June 13)
Role: DEPUTY CHIEF OF JOINT OPERATIONS
Responsibilities:
Tactical and logistical coordination in the field
Supervision of troop movements and support

Operational Impacts:
Slow and uncoordinated tactical response
Disruption of resource mobilization and replenishment
Loss of effectiveness in offensive and defensive maneuvers

6th - Maj. Gen. Gholamreza Mehrabi (assassinated on June 13)
Role: DEPUTY CHIEF OF MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
Responsibilities:
Collection and analysis of operational and strategic intelligence
Counterintelligence and operational security

Operational Impacts:
Reduced vigilance and threat prediction
Increased risk of ambushes and surprise attacks

7th - Maj. Gen. Mohammad Kazemi (assassinated on June 15)
Role: IRGC INTELLIGENCE CHIEF
Responsibilities:
Directing espionage and counterinfiltration operations
Managing clandestine intelligence networks

Operational Impacts:
Disruption of the offensive and defensive intelligence network
Increasing vulnerability to enemy infiltration

8th - Maj. Gen. Mohsen Bagheri (assassinated on June 13)
Role: IRGC DEPUTY INTELLIGENCE CHIEF
Responsibilities:
Coordinating special operations, sabotage, and infiltration

Operational Impacts:
Suspension of essential covert missions
Loss of the advantage of surprise

9th - Brig. Gen. Gen. Hassan Mohaqiq (assassinated on June 15)
Position: Deputy Director of Intelligence, IRGC
Responsibilities:
Data analysis for tactical and strategic decision-making support

Operational Impacts:
Inaccurate information compromises decisions
Delays in adapting the combat plan

10th - Maj. Gen. Mohammad Jafar Asadi (assassinated on June 13)
Position: Deputy Inspector General, Headquarters Khatam
Responsibilities:
Monitoring the execution of orders and military discipline

Operational Impacts:
Increased operational errors and failures
Broken cohesion and increased casualties

11th - Maj. Gen. Mohammad Reza Nasir Bagban (assassinated on June 13)
Role: IRGC FIELD INTELLIGENCE REPRESENTATIVE
Responsibilities:
Direct communication between strategic intelligence and troops on the ground

Operational Impacts:
Noise and delay in the transmission of critical information
Impaired tactical decisions

12th - Brig. Gen. Masoud Shanaei (assassinated on June 13)
Role: IRGC CHIEF OF STAFF
Responsibilities:
Administrative management of command and order flow

Operational Impacts:
Slowed circulation of commands
Fragmentation of operational command

13th - Maj. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh (assassinated on June 13)
Role: COMMANDER, IRGC AEROSPACE FORCE
Responsibilities:
Command of ballistic missile systems and offensive drones
Air defense and strategic deterrence

Operational Impacts:
Loss of long-range strike capability
Critical gaps in air defense

14th - Brig. Gen. Amir Purjodaki (assassinated on June 13)
Role: DEPUTY COMMANDER, IRGC AEROSPACE FORCE
Responsibilities:
Tactical coordination and operational readiness of the aerospace force

Operational Impacts:
Reduced response speed to threats

15th - Brig. Gen. Khosro Hassani (assassinated on June 13)
Role: CHIEF OF AEROSPACE INTELLIGENCE
Responsibilities:
Surveillance and analysis of air threats
Management of radar and warning systems

Operational Impacts:
Failures in interception and defense against air attacks

16th - Brig. Gen. Davoud Sheikhian (assassinated on June 13)
Role: IRGC AIR DEFENSE COMMANDER
Responsibilities:
Control of anti-aircraft systems and integrated defense

Operational Impacts:
Vulnerability of air cover, exposure to attacks

17th - Brig. Gen. Mohammad Baqer Taherpour (assassinated on June 13)
Role: UAV UNIT COMMANDER
Responsibilities:
Operation and coordination of reconnaissance and strike drones

Operational Impacts:
Loss of field intelligence capabilities
Reduction in range and accuracy of tactical strikes

18th - Brig. Gen. Mansour Safarpour (assassinated on June 13)
Role: REGIONAL AEROSPACE COMMANDER (TEHRAN)
Responsibilities:
Air defense of the capital, management of local forces

Operational Impacts:
Exposure of the capital to direct air attacks
Risk of collapse of the political-military command center

19th - Brig. Gen. Masoud Tayeb (assassinated on June 13)
Role: IRGC AEROSPACE DIVISION TECHNOLOGICAL SPECIALIST
Responsibilities:
Weapons technology development and integration

Operational Impacts:
Delay in modernization and technological advantage

20th - Brig. Gen. Javad Jarsara (assassinated on June 13)
Role: AEROSPACE LOGISTICS CHIEF
Responsibilities:
Supply management and operational maintenance

Operational Impacts:
Reduced readiness due to logistical failures

21st - Brig. Gen. Mohammad Said Izadi (assassinated on June 21)
Role: CHIEF OF THE PALESTINIAN SECTION – QUDS FORCE
Responsibilities:
Coordinating support and operations with regional allies (Hezbollah, Ansar Allah, the al-Qassam Brigades, and the al-Quds Brigades)

Operational Impacts:
Weakening proxy warfare power

22nd - Brig. Gen. Behnam Shahriari (assassinated on June 21)
Role: COMMANDER OF UNIT 190 (QUDS LOGISTICS)
Responsibilities:
Managing clandestine weapons routes

Operational Impacts:
Cutting off the flow of weapons and supplies to allies

23rd - Maj. Gen. Amir Mozaffarnia (no date of assassination specified)
Position: CHIEF SPND (NUCLEAR AND BALLISTIC RESEARCH)
Responsibilities:
Development of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles

Operational Impacts:
Delays in strategic deterrence projects

24th Brig. Gen. Mohammad Taghi Yousefvand (assassinated on June 23)
Role: BASIJ INTELLIGENCE CHIEF
Responsibilities:
Internal surveillance and repression

Operational Impacts:
Increased risk of internal insurrections

25th - Gen. Meysam Rizvanpour (assassinated on June 23)
Role: BASIJ DEPUTY COMMANDER (SOCIAL AFFAIRS)
Responsibilities:
Mobilization and indoctrination of the civilian population

Operational Impacts:
Declining morale and popular support for the war effort

26th - Brig. Gen. Seyed Mojtaba Moeinpour (assassinated on June 23)
Role: CHIEF OF STAFF, IRGC ALBORZ
Responsibilities:
Tactical command and regional logistics oversight

Operational Impacts:
Weakening of the regional operational structure

27th - Brig. Gen. Mojtaba Karami (assassinated on June 23)
Role: DEPUTY COMMANDER, IRGC ALBORZ
Responsibilities:
Regional tactical command and maneuvers

Operational Impacts:
Loss of regional rapid reaction capability

28th Brig. Gen. Akbar Enayati (assassinated on June 23)
Role: ALBORZ IDEOLOGICAL CONTROL
Responsibilities:
Maintaining political and doctrinal stability

Operational Impacts:
Growing internal resistance and instability

29th - Gen. Alireza Lotfi (assassinated on June 23)
Role: CHIEF POLICE INTELLIGENCE (SAFA/FARAJ)
Responsibilities:
Urban security, repression, and social control

Operational Impacts:
Facilitating insurgencies and demonstrations

30th - Brig. Gen. Abbas Nouri (assassinated on June 13)
Role: Deputy Commander, Logistics, IRGC Southwest
Responsibilities:
Supply chain management in the conflict zone

Operational Impacts:
Collapse of frontline logistics support

The assassinated commanders divided by functions:

HIGH COMMANDS AND STRATEGY
1st - Ten. Gen. Hossein Salami
2nd - Ten. Gen. Mohammad Hossein Bagheri
3rd - Ten. Gen. Gholam Ali Rashid
4th - Brig. Gen. Ali Shadmani (replacement of Gholam Ali Rashid)
5th - Brig. Gen. Mehdi Rabbani

INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY
6th - Maj. Gen. Gholamreza Mehrabi
7th - Maj. Gen. Mohammad Kazemi
8th - Maj. Gen. Mohsen Bagheri
9th - Brig. Gen. Hassan Mohakek
10th - Maj. Gen. Mohammad Jafar Asadi
11th - Maj. Gen. Mohammad Reza Nasir Bagban
12th - Brig. Gen. Masoud Shanaei

AEROSPACE FORCE AND AIR DEFENSE
13th - Maj. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh
14th - Brig. Gen. Amir Purjodaki
15th - Brig. Gen. Khosro Hassani
16th - Brig. Gen. Davoud Sheikhian
17th - Brig. Gen. Mohammad Baqer Taherpour
18th - Brig. Gen. Mansour Safarpour
19th - Brig. Gen. Masoud Tayeb
20th - Brig. Gen. Javad Jarsara

QUDS FORCE (EXTERNAL OPERATIONS)
21st - Brig. Gen. Mohammad Said Izadi
22nd - Brig. Gen. Behnam Shahriari

RESEARCH, MILITIA AND DOCTRINE
23rd - Maj. Gen. Amir Mozaffarnia
24th - Brig. Gen. Mohammad Taghi Yousefvand
25th - Gen. Meysam Rizvanpour

REGIONAL COMMANDS
26th - Brig. Gen. Seyed Mojtaba Moeinpour
27th - Brig. Gen. Mojtaba Karami
28th - Brig. Gen. Akbar Enayati

POLICE AND INTERNAL SURVEILLANCE
29th - Gen. Alireza Lotfi

LOGISTICS AND INFRASTRUCTURE
30th - Brig. Gen. Abbas Nouri
4th - Brig. Gen. Ali Shadmani

Do you have this same list? Also, would you be able to tell me the names of the 15 dead nuclear scientists?

This is a colossal fuxk up. If this was any other western country and the heads of each branch would've been fired (if they survived the attack, that is).

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Sure. Let us know when/if Iran calls you to be their Minister for War.


In my opinion, it is your opinion is is of zero value.

Well you can answer him or not? Iran gained more influence in Iraq and Taliban is back in power and US has 11 trillion USD extra debt (paying 1 trillion USD interest over this debt)
Is than a win according to Americans?
I can tell you it was neither a Win, nor a Gambit!

 

[kastor ville]

Our only way to get out of the current situation is nuclear deterrence. Iran is massively under-armed against the US and we need nuclear deterrence to guarantee our sovereignty.

You guys never listen to reason until it's too late. You were one of those people who said Israel would never dare to attack Iran, and not only it happened, but we all agree that it would restart soon.

Naturally, this is the only card left to play.......the cost of hitting Iran, snap-back, further sanctions....etc, is now zero.

 

[hasn2009]

Try to appear strong when you are weak?

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