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Trump to announce "aggressive" Ukraine weapons plan​



President Trump will announce a new plan to arm Ukraine on Monday that is expected to include offensive weapons, two sources with knowledge of the plans tell Axios.
Why it matters: Sending offensive weapons would be a major shift for Trump, who had until recently been at pains to say he would provide only defensive weapons to avoid escalating the conflict.



  • U.S., Ukrainian and European officials hope the weapons will shift the trajectory of the war and change Russian President Vladimir Putin's calculations regarding a ceasefire.
  • Two sources told Axios they had reason to believe the plan was likely to include long-range missiles that could reach targets deep inside Russian territory, including Moscow. However, neither was aware of any final decision.
  • "Trump is really pissed at Putin. His announcement tomorrow is going to be very aggressive," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told Axios.
Driving the news: The new initiative, which will be rolled out in a meeting between Trump and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, will involve European countries paying for U.S.-made weapons that will be sent to Ukraine.
  • The White House did not respond to a request for comment.
Behind the scenes: The scheme was proposed by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky during the NATO summit two weeks ago.
  • U.S. and Ukrainian officials said the meeting between Trump and Zelensky at the summit was their best so far.
  • "Zelensky came like a normal human being, not crazy, and was dressed like a somebody that should be at NATO. He had a group of people with him that also seemed not crazy. So they had a good conversation," a U.S. official said. Zelensky wore a suit at the summit for the first time since 2022.
The other side: Trump has grown increasingly frustrated over the last two weeks over Putin's unwillingness to move towards a ceasefire and Russia's escalating attacks on Kyiv and other cities.
  • One thing that convinced Trump to move down this path was the July 3 phone call in which Putin made clear he planned to escalate the war.
  • Putin indicated that over the next 60 days he would make a renewed push to occupy territory up to the administrative lines of the Ukrainian regions in which Russia has a significant foothold.
  • "He wants to take all of it," Trump told French President Emmanuel Macron shortly after his call with Putin, according to a source with direct knowledge.
  • In the ensuing days, the weapons plan turned from an idea to something more concrete.
What he's saying: Trump told reporters Sunday evening that the weapons he would send Ukraine through European countries would include "various pieces of very sophisticated military (equipment)," including Patriot air defense batteries.
  • Trump said European countries "are going to pay us 100% for them. It is going to be business for us."
  • He added that he is "very disappointed" in Putin for saying he wanted peace and then escalating his attacks on Ukraine.


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Trump to announce "aggressive" Ukraine weapons plan

"Trump is really pissed at Putin. His announcement tomorrow is going to be very aggressive."
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Orange is going to empty the pocket of EU fools to profit from prolonging the war. Many more deaths will follow and final result will be EU going bankrupt and Ukraine losing the war. I hope the war will be contained between Russia-Ukraine/west-proxy only.

According to south korea Over 12 million rounds of 152 mm artillery shells are estimated to have been sent to Russia by North Korea for use in Ukraine.
 
shapurzolaktaf said:
Orange is going to empty the pocket of EU fools to profit from prolonging the war. Many more deaths will follow and final result will be EU going bankrupt and Ukraine losing the war. I hope the war will be contained between Russia-Ukraine/west-proxy only.

According to south korea Over 12 million rounds of 152 mm artillery shells are estimated to have been sent to Russia by North Korea for use in Ukraine.
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Russia has already strategically lost the war. They’ve been stuck in the fields of the Donbass for the last 3 years with minimal movement of the frontline and a 1M+ dead and wounded to show for it.

Time to face reality
 
And I’ve said for the last year it’s irrelevant whether Russia takes the Donbass or not because it doesn’t change the strategic outcomes of the war.

We had posters in here a year ago stating Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yars fall was imminent. The Russians aren’t even close to taking cities like Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. That looks like a pipe dream at the moment.
 
F-22Raptor said:
And I’ve said for the last year it’s irrelevant whether Russia takes the Donbass or not because it doesn’t change the strategic outcomes of the war.

We had posters in here a year ago stating Pokrovsk and Chasiv Yars fall was imminent. The Russians aren’t even close to taking cities like Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. That looks like a pipe dream at the moment.
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Tho if you look at the Map Sloviansk and Kramatorsk are getting circled and will fall circa take 10-12 months from now before they fall. They will both get circled around and the remaining forces will exit from there.

They are almost being surrounded but I think they can still hold for 1 more year.

I believe the Ukrainian frontline will experience fatigue and complete collapse around 2027-28. All Russia needs to do is stay patient for that period
 
Farhan23 said:
Tho if you look at the Map Sloviansk and Kramatorsk are getting circled and will fall circa take 10-12 months from now before they fall. They will both get circled around and the remaining forces will exit from there.

They are almost being surrounded but I think they can still hold for 1 more year.

I believe the Ukrainian frontline will experience fatigue and complete collapse around 2027-28. All Russia needs to do is stay patient for that period
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No, they’re not close to being encircled. Russian forces still haven’t taken Pokrovsk or Chasiv Yar and it’s been over a year for both. And Sloviansk and Kramatorsk are much larger cities.

The Russians have had some tactical success in some worthless Donbass fields but that’s all. No strategic or operational breakthrough, and 100,000 dead Russians since January alone, confirmed by Sec Rubio.
 
F-22Raptor said:
No, they’re not close to being encircled. Russian forces still haven’t taken Pokrovsk or Chasiv Yar and it’s been over a year for both. And Sloviansk and Kramatorsk are much larger cities.

The Russians have had some tactical success in some worthless Donbass fields but that’s all. No strategic or operational breakthrough, and 100,000 dead Russians since January alone, confirmed by Sec Rubio.
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I see Baghdad bobs back
 
Musings said:
I see Baghdad bobs back
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Imagine if the US invaded Mexico, and captured only 20% of its territory with 1M+ dead and wounded. We’d be dragged over the coals by everyone on this forum and the world and deservedly so.

Just stop with the hypocrisy
 
F-22Raptor said:
Just stop with the hypocrisy
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No hypocrisy. Stop the spamming.
You quick to report others - set yourself the same standards. This forum is not US based where you may get special preference. Now stick to the topic.
 
Musings said:
No hypocrisy. Stop the spamming.
You quick to report others - set yourself the same standards. This forum is not US based where you may get special preference. Now stick to the topic.
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I’m not spamming, and I suggest you get back on topic. Off topic posts are against forum rules. Try to stay consistent
 
F-22Raptor said:
Imagine if the US invaded Mexico, and captured only 20% of its territory with 1M+ dead and wounded. We’d be dragged over the coals by everyone on this forum and the world and deservedly so.

Just stop with the hypocrisy
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Look who is saying others hypocrites 😂😂😂😂
 
Musings said:
No hypocrisy. Stop the spamming.
You quick to report others - set yourself the same standards. This forum is not US based where you may get special preference. Now stick to the topic.
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He wouldn't on my home forum.
 
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