PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Watandar]

If you look closely at project Imran, the establishment did bring in other people into the project who could eventually become as well known politically as Imran Khan and broaden the party. A good example is Asad Umar or the people brought in from abroad like Zulfi Bukhari. But to be given a chance is one thing and to be able to perform another. Asad Umar was particularly a disappointment as I believe he was the corporate technocrat whom Establishment really wanted to eventually succeed Imran Khan.

 

[Toxic]

Imran Khan is PTI

 

[RajaBaja]

I watched a video of Imran Riaz Khan yesterday and he made a point that resonated. To paraphrase, he is of the opinion that PTI are relying on the political oppression of Imran Khan for votes and have failed to do anything expected of them as an opposition party. He talked about the economy, joblessness, oppression of media, inflation, and said PTI has failed to challenge the government on any of these issues.

I think i agree with him. I am of the opinion that the current version of PTI is an absolute flop. HOWEVER, I do realise that all the senior leadership of PTI is currently imprisoned, or has quit the party (no great loss). Those who remain have failed to make an impact, or even create a public perception that they are challenging the state on what matters to the people. Rather they appear like reluctant cheerleaders of Imran Khan.

I think if you took any current political party and locked up senior leadership and workers, you'd find the same limp effect. However Imran Khan stated PTI was going to be different, it was going to be organised and structured, an institute able to operate independent of direction from a figurehead. He stated the autonomy and management of Shaukat khanum as an example. I think with PTI he has failed to do so. The difference is that the hospital was run by professionals, political parties are run by politicians, people who are inherently selfish and egotistical. Across the spectrum, across the world, politicians claim to be wishing to "serve the people", but often actually really just desire to "lead the people".

I watched that IRK's show too. I agree with him. PTI needs to WORK, and work hard. They had government of the entire country and now down to a province. If you take a look at the recent Gallup survey, PTI's own people are identifying Punjab government as a better delivering government in the country. How bad can it get?

Where you have a solid hand, deliver to people, gain more votes and be involved with the country. A party that says "we have the majority vote", can't just bank on one man in Jail and everyone just talks about him as if the country and the people didn't give them anymore responsibility. Its like, I'm "someone" in PTI, so my duty to my voters is just that I come in front of the camera daily for 5 minutes. Talk about IK and go home. Voter responsibility completed until next day!

And PLEASE, don't bring in the establishment. Its not establishment's job to make sure Peshawer looks and feels like a capital city of a province, its not their jobs to provide basic healthcare, rescue, schools and other services to people of KPK. Its not establishment's job to setup vocational, training based educational institutes so people can learn a trade and start earning.

Please also don't bring in the health card. If it was actually working beyond a basic "fever and headache" treatment, majority of the KPK people wouldn't be going to Punjab hospital.

 

[That_Guy]

PTI can survive without IK at this point. His ideas have now been deeply ingrained within the party. Even if they get rid of him physically from the party, ideologically he'll forever be a part of PTI even after his death.

 

[Jango007]

Does corruption have any future with out Nawaz Sharif ?

Absolutely NoT

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

when the cult of personality dies, the cult dies with it


Maga will end after trump

Just like PTI will end after khan or atleast not be as popular as PMLN or PPP

 

[Watandar]

when the cult of personality dies, the cult dies with it


Maga will end after trump

Just like PTI will end after khan or atleast not be as popular as PMLN or PPP

But MAGA would have achieved many of the objectives of its donors, while fooling the voters. PTI achieved none of the objectives Eatablishment had set for it. PTI could not even grasp that their mission was revoking the 18th amendment, which transferred resources away from Center to the provinces. These faujis in their barracks and messes and conferences are completely divorced from realities of Pakistan.

 

[Mr X]

PTI is Imran Khan and Imran Khan is PTI.

If he dies in prison, there will be a revolt in Pakistan leading to anarchy. If he stays in prison for long time, he will come back as Mandela to be sworn in as the future President (not PM because of the deal).

If he comes out now, he will be a strong force to compete the status quo and the establishment is not ready for that… I don’t feel ashamed to say that the establishment is scared of him and have gone to unethical measures to keep this monsters locked in the prison.

 

[Toxic]

PTI is Imran Khan and Imran Khan is PTI.

If he dies in prison, there will be a revolt in Pakistan leading to anarchy. If he stays in prison for long time, he will come back as Mandela to be sworn in as the future President (not PM because of the deal).

If he comes out now, he will be a strong force to compete the status quo and the establishment is not ready for that… I don’t feel ashamed to say that the establishment is scared of him and have gone to unethical measures to keep this monsters locked in the prison.

There's no point in making comparisons with South Africa, there was more pressure from outside on the apartheid system than there was inside, South Africa was a global pariah.

 

[Jango007]

PTI is Imran Khan and Imran Khan is PTI.

If he dies in prison, there will be a revolt in Pakistan leading to anarchy. If he stays in prison for long time, he will come back as Mandela to be sworn in as the future President (not PM because of the deal).

If he comes out now, he will be a strong force to compete the status quo and the establishment is not ready for that… I don’t feel ashamed to say that the establishment is scared of him and have gone to unethical measures to keep this monsters locked in the prison.

If he dies I hope there will be a civil war and Patwaris are permenantly disposed off …. His purpose would serve with no corruption ( Patwaris / PPP and Generals ) on this earth ….

 

[VCheng]

If he dies in prison, there will be a revolt in Pakistan leading to anarchy. If he stays in prison for long time, he will come back as Mandela to be sworn in as the future President (not PM because of the deal).

Mark my words: Many before him thought so too, but Pakistan is bigger than any one person. It will go on as always after IK too.

 

[Mr X]

Mark my words: Many before him thought so too, but Pakistan is bigger than any one person. It will go on as always after IK too.

Yeah I am sure people gave statements like my above post before Bhutto was hanged and people will carry on giving statements like this… But it highlights important question of we as a “Qoum” or a bunch of cowards?

 

[Skukuza]

PTI is Imran Khan and Imran Khan is PTI.

If he dies in prison, there will be a revolt in Pakistan leading to anarchy. If he stays in prison for long time, he will come back as Mandela to be sworn in as the future President (not PM because of the deal).

If he comes out now, he will be a strong force to compete the status quo and the establishment is not ready for that… I don’t feel ashamed to say that the establishment is scared of him and have gone to unethical measures to keep this monsters locked in the prison.

I did a bit of reading on Imran Khan. I know that he was a great cricketer in his lifetime and a philanthropist. Also did a little bit of reading on the founding of your nation. In my view the Mandela of your nation was your founder Jinnah. Similar to our politics, Mandela cannot be replaced. At the most Khan is a populist who is jailed (whether for good or bad reason remains uncertain to me). We have similar politicians here such as Zuma, an extremely favorite populist of the poor who is also facing jail time due to allegations against him whilst he was President. At the most, I would liken Khan to our Zuma. In a nutshell Mandela, Gandhi, Jinnah, Washington amongst others will remain in a league of their own.

 

[Watandar]

I did a bit of reading on Imran Khan. I know that he was a great cricketer in his lifetime and a philanthropist. Also did a little bit of reading on the founding of your nation. In my view the Mandela of your nation was your founder Jinnah. Similar to our politics, Mandela cannot be replaced. At the most Khan is a populist who is jailed (whether for good or bad reason remains uncertain to me). We have similar politicians here such as Zuma, an extremely favorite populist of the poor who is also facing jail time due to allegations against him whilst he was President. At the most, I would liken Khan to our Zuma. In a nutshell Mandela, Gandhi, Jinnah, Washington amongst others will remain in a league of their own.

Good understanding of history. But the environment in Pakistan is different from South Africa where the military is not ruling the show behind the scenes. Jacob Zuma was ultimately a politician and came to power via electoral politics, Mr Imran Khan as a politician and his party were entirely the creation of the Military Establishment in Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

But it highlights important question of we as a “Qoum” or a bunch of cowards?

Is that even a valid question at this point?