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[ShapurII]

Dude to be honest I’m not a nuclear weapons engineer so I actually wouldn’t know where to start I’m just saying if you have the casing perhaps you have the ability to produce a small nuclear weapon to fit into that casing I’m just going by google when I checked the North Korean picture I don’t if @Hack-Hook was implying that with the pictures

I think we are coping hard.
We had 20 something years to build a working device, but we didn't.
I insisted that we should use the opportunity that was the Biden administration to our maximum, but the incompetent regime that we have decided not to do anything and wait for their fate until Trump returned. Almost everybody knew that Trump would attack Iran in his second term.

Also, a couple of tactical nukes isn't going to cut it for us. We need at least one strategic nuke with over 100 MT yield to ensure the destruction of Israel, if they nuke us.

 

[vmro]

Residents of Iran witnessed the launch of the Sejil ballistic missile. The solid-fuel two-stage ballistic Sejil was first shown in 2008. The Sejil missile has a range of up to 2,000 kilometers, and a warhead weight of up to 500 kg. The Seji family of ballistic missiles includes several products. The Sejil-2 modification has a range of 2,500 kilometers, and differs from the basic version of the missiles in its increased accuracy and increased speed at the initial stage of flight. The mass of the missile's warhead can be up to 1,500 kilograms.

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Dancing menace, cobra-like patterns of moving into targets... BTW, entire Israelis building construction sector is showing vulnerability like never before because of Iranian missile mighty forces...

Urban redevelopment as the next step in rehabilitating post-war Israel | The Jerusalem Post

In today’s reality, what is needed is a more centralized, agile, and emergency-ready system that treats urban renewal not as a real estate venture but also as a cornerstone of national resilience.

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I think you have to realize that we are truly weak when it comes to PR.

PR is unfortunately ultimate weakness for Iran, I don't know what are excuses, but with Turkish and Qatari so successful models, Iran at least have to be near that level...

 

[Shags101]

I think we are coping hard.
We had 20 something years to build a working device, but we didn't.
I insisted that we should use the opportunity that was the Biden administration to our maximum, but the incompetent regime that we have decided not to do anything and wait for their fate until Trump returned. Almost everybody knew that Trump would attack Iran in his second term.

Also, a couple of tactical nukes isn't going to cut it for us. We need at least one strategic nuke with over 100 MT yield to ensure the destruction of Israel, if they nuke us.

………well here’s the thing let’s not destroy Israel/palestine and yeah if Iran ever went full seam ahead and said f it a couple dozen tactical nukes is more than enough basically more or less a stalemate Israel won’t ever attack brazenly on Iranian soil but Iran won’t ever use a nuclear weapon because because in the end Israel has many different ways of using nuclear payloads and Iran wouldn’t ever be able to destroy all the methods in one shot

 

[ShapurII]

………well here’s the thing let’s not destroy Israel/palestine and yeah if Iran ever went full seam ahead and said f it a couple dozen tactical nukes is more than enough basically more or less a stalemate Israel won’t ever attack brazenly on Iranian soil but Iran won’t ever use a nuclear weapon because because in the end Israel has many different ways of using nuclear payloads and Iran wouldn’t ever be able to destroy all the methods in one shot

I don't care if Israel/Palestine will be destroyed or not, if Israel nukes Tehran, it should be hit with a strategic nuke to wipe off large population centers of Israel and obliterate all of its civilian infrastructure in the blink of an eye.

Israel does not have a strategic depth. It's barely 20,000 km2 and it's flat. One or two strategic nukes will completely wipe it off the map. As for Iran, it takes over 100-200 strategic nukes to completely wipe Iran off the map. Iran is 80-85 times larger than Israel and is a plateau. So, if Iran has even a single strategic nuke, that will ensure that Israel will never even think of nuking Iran.

Tactical nukes do not give Iran any sort of deterrence against Israel, but it invites the nuclear powers to the game.

 

[Shags101]

I don't care if Israel/Palestine will be destroyed or not, if Israel nukes Tehran, it should be hit with a strategic nuke to wipe off large population centers of Israel and obliterate all of its civilian infrastructure in the blink of an eye.

Israel does not have a strategic depth. It's barely 20,000 km2 and it's flat. One or two strategic nukes will completely wipe it off the map. As for Iran, it takes over 100-200 strategic nukes to completely wipe Iran off the map. Iran is 80-85 times larger than Israel and is a plateau. So, if Iran has even a single strategic nuke, that will ensure that Israel will never even think of nuking Iran.

Tactical nukes do not give Iran any sort of deterrence against Israel, but it invites the nuclear powers to the game.

Well I honestly actually care if Iranians by the millions die from a nuclear war if Israel hits Iran with all their nuclear weapons directed at population centers throughout Iran do you think it wouldn’t be game over for Iran let’s be real nuclear weapons are for deterrence not for actual use I said this before people should watch an old movie called WarGames there are no actual winners in nuclear war Israel wouldn’t dare use nuclear weapons against another country who has the same capabilities it would mean the end for them as much as it would for the other guy.

Let’s do a WarGames scenario country A decides to strike Country B major population centers all over that country strike water supplies destroy energy infrastructure results would be 10a of millions dead in the initial assault millions dead from radiation poisoning,famine would kill many of the population,the people that remain would either have to be refugees in their own country or bordering countries ,crime would be rampant and basically we are looking at a mad max type of country for years…..seriously god forbid we actually see that day I really hate when people act like hey guys let’s just nuke them first while they detect a nuclear missile inbound their going to throw every air defenses they have against it but in that 5 to 10 minutes it takes to arrive Israel will have launch med their 100 to 209 nuclear tipped missiles for air sea and land .

 

[ShapurII]

Well I honestly actually care if Iranians by the millions die from a nuclear war if Israel hits Iran with all their nuclear weapons directed at population centers throughout Iran do you think it wouldn’t be game over for Iran let’s be real nuclear weapons are for deterrence not for actual use I said this before people should watch an old movie called WarGames there are no actual winners in nuclear war Israel wouldn’t dare use nuclear weapons against another country who has the same capabilities it would mean the end for them as much as it would for the other guy.

Let’s do a WarGames scenario country A decides to strike Country B major population centers all over that country strike water supplies destroy energy infrastructure results would be 10a of millions dead in the initial assault millions dead from radiation poisoning,famine would kill many of the population,the people that remain would either have to be refugees in their own country or bordering countries ,crime would be rampant and basically we are looking at a mad max type of country for years…..seriously god forbid we actually see that day I really hate when people act like hey guys let’s just nuke them first while they detect a nuclear missile inbound their going to throw every air defenses they have against it but in that 5 to 10 minutes it takes to arrive Israel will have launch med their 100 to 209 nuclear tipped missiles for air sea and land .

Nuclear weapons are for actual use when you have been hit. And that's the whole point of nuclear deterrence after WWII to begin with. It is for second-strike capability. That's why countries spent billions or trillions of dollars on nuclear triad during the cold war.

Trust me, Israelis are evil enough to inflict such a catastrophe on their enemy. Israelis only understand the language of force, and the ultimate destruction of their beloved superior race. Nothing else matters to these blood-thirsty psychopaths.

Israel cannot launch 100-209 nuclear tripped missiles from air, sea or land. Not even one-tenth of that in less than 5 minutes lol
Israel needs barely 300 MT to be completely wiped off the map inch by inch. Iran needs close to 50 GT (50,000 MT) to be completely wiped off the map. Not even the US and Russia together can wipe Iran off the map completely.

 

[Shags101]

Nuclear weapons are for actual use when you have been hit. And that's the whole point of nuclear deterrence after WWII to begin with. It is for second-strike capability. That's why countries spent billions or trillions of dollars on nuclear triad during the cold war.

Trust me, Israelis are evil enough to inflict such a catastrophe on their enemy. Israelis only understand the language of force, and the ultimate destruction of their beloved superior race. Nothing else matters to these blood-thirsty psychopaths.

Israel cannot launch 100-209 nuclear tripped missiles from air, sea or land. Not even one-tenth of that in less than 5 minutes lol
Israel needs barely 300 MT to be completely wiped off the map inch by inch. Iran needs close to 50 GT (50,000 MT) to be completely wiped off the map. Not even the US and Russia together can wipe Iran off the map completely.

Okay if that’s what you believe fair enough will let it go at that

 

[aerospace_enthusiast_newb]

Given the low CEP of Iranian SRBMs, do you think it would be feasible to use them to protect nuclear entrance sites?

Let's assume that Israel or the U.S. decide to send in a special operations team to destroy or retrieve something from an underground site in Iran. Given US intelligence superiority and advanced SEAD/DEAD capabilities, wouldn't it be feasible for Iran to hide a couple of low-CEP SRBM's in places within 750km of the nuclear sites entrances. Once the American/Israeli team lands, the Iranians would fire a couple of SRBMs on their own nuclear entrances. Thereby denying the enemy access. It would be impossible to stop them. SRBMs are all solid-fuel --> rapid-launch (within minutes).

Even if the U.S. had air dominance over most of Iran, they still wouldn't be able to stop the Iranians from denying them access to the underground entry-points. U.S. could use satellites, drones, manned aircraft, electronic warfare..whatever..they still wouldn't be able to access the nuclear sites on the ground if the Iranians had dedicated SRBMs to fire at their own nuclear entrances. Quick-launch + low CEP = denying any ground team access to the area immediate to underground nuclear entrances. Yes, the entrances would take hits, but nothing that couldn't be repaired quickly.

What do you guys think? It would be an effective and cheap way to defend these installations from ground incursions..provided that they could get live intelligence when the enemy force lands near the sites. Which would probably be difficult.

 

[tsunset]

Given the low CEP of Iranian SRBMs, do you think it would be feasible to use them to protect nuclear entrance sites?

Let's assume that Israel or the U.S. decide to send in a special operations team to destroy or retrieve something from an underground site in Iran. Given US intelligence superiority and advanced SEAD/DEAD capabilities, wouldn't it be feasible for Iran to hide a couple of low-CEP SRBM's in places within 750km of the nuclear sites entrances. Once the American/Israeli team lands, the Iranians would fire a couple of SRBMs on their own nuclear entrances. Thereby denying the enemy access. It would be impossible to stop them. SRBMs are all solid-fuel --> rapid-launch (within minutes).

Even if the U.S. had air dominance over most of Iran, they still wouldn't be able to stop the Iranians from denying them access to the underground entry-points. U.S. could use satellites, drones, manned aircraft, electronic warfare..whatever..they still wouldn't be able to access the nuclear sites on the ground if the Iranians had dedicated SRBMs to fire at their own nuclear entrances. Quick-launch + low CEP = denying any ground team access to the area immediate to underground nuclear entrances. Yes, the entrances would take hits, but nothing that couldn't be repaired quickly.

What do you guys think? It would be an effective and cheap way to defend these installations from ground incursions..provided that they could get live intelligence when the enemy force lands near the sites. Which would probably be difficult.

Immediately after the attacks Iran buried all entrances to the underground, requiring hours of operating heavy machinery to dig them out, something the enemy ground team cannot do in time without triggering full scale reinforcement to kick them out

The facilities are heavily fortified and guarded. I think a ground operation is impossible to execute without facing casualties or partial failure/total failure

 

[Shags101]

Given the low CEP of Iranian SRBMs, do you think it would be feasible to use them to protect nuclear entrance sites?

Let's assume that Israel or the U.S. decide to send in a special operations team to destroy or retrieve something from an underground site in Iran. Given US intelligence superiority and advanced SEAD/DEAD capabilities, wouldn't it be feasible for Iran to hide a couple of low-CEP SRBM's in places within 750km of the nuclear sites entrances. Once the American/Israeli team lands, the Iranians would fire a couple of SRBMs on their own nuclear entrances. Thereby denying the enemy access. It would be impossible to stop them. SRBMs are all solid-fuel --> rapid-launch (within minutes).

Even if the U.S. had air dominance over most of Iran, they still wouldn't be able to stop the Iranians from denying them access to the underground entry-points. U.S. could use satellites, drones, manned aircraft, electronic warfare..whatever..they still wouldn't be able to access the nuclear sites on the ground if the Iranians had dedicated SRBMs to fire at their own nuclear entrances. Quick-launch + low CEP = denying any ground team access to the area immediate to underground nuclear entrances. Yes, the entrances would take hits, but nothing that couldn't be repaired quickly.

What do you guys think? It would be an effective and cheap way to defend these installations from ground incursions..provided that they could get live intelligence when the enemy force lands near the sites. Which would probably be difficult.

I think Iranian srbm cep aren’t actually very low at all especially if we are talking about fateh series and even the long range attacks on Israel have shown that Iran made dramatic improvements many targets were hit directly or just shy a few dozen years even than shockwaves and blasts caused a lot of damage to those areas even the Israelis are admitting it but don’t say how much damage or to what just that there were quite a few direct hits

 

[tsunset]

I think Iranian srbm cep aren’t actually very low at all especially if we are talking about fateh series and even the long range attacks on Israel have shown that Iran made dramatic improvements many targets were hit directly or just shy a few dozen years even than shockwaves and blasts caused a lot of damage to those areas even the Israelis are admitting it but don’t say how much damage or to what just that there were quite a few direct hits

I think he meant by "low CEP" he meant <10m CEP

The SRBM CEPs are low, even very low (<5m CEP) judging by the US base hit, at least less than 10m CEP

 

[Shams313]

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[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Iran better learn from Little Bro

Lil Bro built a N-
Lil Bro has a Submarine Program
Lil Bro has Missile Program

All by Himself

 

[tsunset]

Iran better learn from Little Bro

Lil Bro built a N-
Lil Bro has a Submarine Program
Lil Bro has Missile Program

All by Himself

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And his country is a hermit kingdom totally cut from the rest of the world with his people starving to death and eating grass. As well as shooting his own people if they dare try to flee from his poor country

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

North Korea faced more difficult scenario than Pakistan & Iran

• But they fished the Missile Program faster then Pakistan
• They Have more Submarines then Both Pakistan/Iran
• They now also Boast ICBM