Trump said five Indian Jets were shot down

[Yasser76]

My guess is Trump qouted the old figure by US intel, as someone pointed out, could be later on a couple of damaged Rafales are now write offs hence the update on kills by PAF side.

Although there can be a debate that if we shoot something and it manages to limp back to base and is written off later is this an actual "kill" we can claim?

 

[Scorpio]

Check out Indian Media.. they are converting this lose towards Pakistan....

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Check out Indian Media.. they are converting this lose towards Pakistan....

Would you expect anything else from them?

 

[Baibers_1260]

Can you say you have created a deterrence? it clearly didn’t stop us, and it won’t stop us next time either. If the cost of creating this new normal is losing 10 planes due to tactical mistakes, so be it.

" 10 planes.. . but, but ...we have the money we can buy more planes . Right ! We need more target practice for the next Turkey Shoot.
"Operation Mangal Sutra" is awaited though our response will be sending DF-17s slamming into Keshav Kunj and a certain sweet spot in Ayodhya.

 

[Yasser76]

If it was proven to be 7 planes this will be IAF's largest loss in air to air combat since 1965....

 

[Khanivore]

So even if we go with your version of events, doesn’t change the fact that India hit your training infrastructure across the border, and will do it again if needed. Can you say you have created a deterrence? it clearly didn’t stop us, and it won’t stop us next time either. If the cost of creating this new normal is losing 10 planes due to tactical mistakes, so be it. Pretty sure folks at your GHQ are just hoping some nutjob doesn’t screw things up again and force another response.

Your so-called 'new normal' collapsed the moment your jets were swatted out of the sky and your air force pulled back over 200 km from the border like a scorched cat. You talk about deterrence, yet it was your side rushing to foreign mediators, losing control of the airspace, and getting Rafales and Su-30, MiG-29, Mirage 2000 turned into fireballs. You couldn’t even hold the line, let alone push one. If losing 10 jets is worth it to lob a few standoff munitions and then beg for a ceasefire, by all means, try again. Just don't be surprised when the next retaliation goes deeper and lasts longer.

 

[lightning f57]

India hit your training infrastructure across the border, and will do it again if needed. Can you say you have created a deterrence? it clearly didn’t stop us, and it won’t stop us next time either.

Deterrence is your entire airforce being grounded. Next time you might not confront team restraint but a team that wants to teach modi a real lesson for his cross border terrorism.

And still waiting for proof of Paks involvement in terror attack and proof the places of worship your coward leaders targeted had terrorists. You people gave zero proof and the population fell for modis lies.

 

[Faithfulguy]

Evan if Modi says Indian jets were down, these Indian guys not believe him. Most of these guys will not vote Midi if Modi say the truth as image is more important to them than facts. But deep inside, they know India lost 5 planes. Can any Indians share with me on this mind set of many Indians?

 

[vasanthm]

1. Can you say you have created a deterrence? There were so called "terrorist" attacks less than two weeksc after the "pause" in operation blundoor in the Kishtewar area sending at least one Indian Army jawan to Veergati . There wasn't any response to any job by this nutjiob

I guess the Indian public can tolerate the hit on the military, it’s part of the risk our forces sign up for. But if there's a major civilian attack linked to Pakistan based groups and the Indian government doesn’t respond, it might not stay in power the next round. That’s the real pressure, not your idea of deterrence, but public expectation for action.

 

[Master Chief]

I guess the Indian public can tolerate the hit on the military, it’s part of the risk our forces sign up for. But if there's a major civilian attack linked to Pakistan based groups and the Indian government doesn’t respond, it might not stay in power the next round. That’s the real pressure, not your idea of deterrence, but public expectation for action.

God bless the wholly rational, well informed, and logical approach to geopolitics by the great Indian public.

We, your neighbours, have nothing to concern ourselves with if "public expectation for action" remains the ultimate determinant for the actions of politicians in the great Secular Republic. Truly, democracy in India remains vibrant and healthy with 1.2billion eternally vigilant citizens there to even out the imperfections of the governmental factions. They are the great harmonisers of our region. Please continue doing what noble Indian citizens do. We watch in absolutely awe at this ongoing lesson in ancient democratic rituals. May humanity learn from your people.

Karachi Port significantly damaged due to Indian strike, Pakistan's official port account posts; later claims account hacked - The Economic Times

Following India's Operation Sindoor, which destroyed terror sites in Pakistan, tensions escalated as Pakistan reportedly targeted military locations in India, though these were neutralized. India responded by targeting air defense systems and terror camps within Pakistan and PoJK. Amidst this...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Distant_Observer]

Evan if Modi says Indian jets were down, these Indian guys not believe him. Most of these guys will not vote Midi if Modi say the truth as image is more important to them than facts. But deep inside, they know India lost 5 planes. Can any Indians share with me on this mind set of many Indians?

India under extremist Hindu terrorist rule is ideal for Pakistan.

Extremism is a mental corruption that will make your society rotten. I will give it another 20 years and the Muslims of India will start getting restless as the inequality grows.

 

[Khanivore]

I guess the Indian public can tolerate the hit on the military, it’s part of the risk our forces sign up for. But if there's a major civilian attack linked to Pakistan based groups and the Indian government doesn’t respond, it might not stay in power the next round. That’s the real pressure, not your idea of deterrence, but public expectation for action.

So now we’re back to reality, where it’s not about some mythical 'new normal' or military dominance, but public optics and electoral pressure. That’s exactly why your government keeps lashing out recklessly after any incident, regardless of facts. It’s not strategic, it’s performative, meant to appease a bloodthirsty public narrative whipped up by your own media. That’s also why you got burned last time: rushing in to ‘do something’ without thinking through the consequences. Pakistan didn’t blink then, and it won’t next time either, especially if your next stunt drags civilians into it again.

 

[Khanivore]

India under extremist Hindu terrorist rule is ideal for Pakistan.

Extremism is a mental corruption that will make your society rotten. I will give it another 20 years and the Muslims of India will start getting restless as the inequality grows.

Absolutely agree. India under extremist Hindutva rule is not just a geopolitical threat, it’s a long-term liability to its own internal stability. The rot is already setting in. When a state starts prioritising religious supremacism over institutional strength and economic parity, decay is inevitable.

In 20 years, you're not just going to see Indian Muslims grow restless, you're going to see fractures across other marginalised communities too: Dalits, Sikhs, Christians, even rational Hindus who refuse to conform to this saffron cultism. The state's resources are being consumed not in development, but in censorship, propaganda, and political persecution.

Pakistan’s strategic position actually improves the more India slips into this trap. You can't be a superpower when your own population feels alienated, fearful, and voiceless. Modi’s short-term populism is India's long-term unraveling, and history is full of examples where radical ideology blinded rising powers to their own weaknesses.

Let the rot spread. Pakistan simply needs to stay alert and wait. India's implosion will be their own doing - not Pakistan's.

 

[Cash gk]

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[Yasser76]

I guess the Indian public can tolerate the hit on the military, it’s part of the risk our forces sign up for. But if there's a major civilian attack linked to Pakistan based groups and the Indian government doesn’t respond, it might not stay in power the next round. That’s the real pressure, not your idea of deterrence, but public expectation for action.

This is actually a very good point, and is why diplomacy is important here