Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

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I really wanted not to do this, but I think it's time for an assessment of the Israel-Iran war in the last 2 years.

What has Israel achieved, with the help of the US?
1. Killed over 1,100 Iranians in 12 days (more than the daily average in Gaza). Confirmed by Iran.
2. Eliminated C&C of the IRGC in half an hour. Over 30 high-ranking officials were killed.
3. Eliminated our anti-West president
4. Eliminated a large part of our IADS
5. Eliminated an unknown number of IRIAF jets, helicopters and fuel tankers
6. Destroyed our oil depots and hit two of our refineries
7. The US destroyed our nuclear program, which, including the indirect cost of sanctions, had cost us over a trillion dollar to build and operate throughout the years, and it will take us several months to years to rebuild.
8. Damaged Hezbollah to the point that it is no longer a factor in Lebanon
9. Pulled off possibly the largest asymmetric warfare against Iran from inside Iran, something that the IRGC boasted to do for decades but failed to perform even one such successful operation inside Israel
10. Eliminated nearly all of our cards for negotiating with the West, except for the HEU
11. Eliminated about 20-30 missiles launchers, which can be replaced
12. Forced us to use 10%-20% of our MRBM stock
13. Intercepted nearly all of our drones, and half of our BMs.

Casualties: +1,100
Damage: Tens of billions of dollars at least, hundreds of billions of dollars if you include the sanctions we endured over our nuclear program

What has Iran achieved?
1. Hit a 15 million dollar SATCOM in Qatar that will be replaced soon
2. Hit Bazan oil refinery in Haifa, and possibly two power plants (confirmed visually through videos). Damage is estimated to be $3m dollars per day and repair is going to take 2-3 months. So, 200-300 million dollars.
3. Hit Kirya and a few residential areas. I'm sure some air bases have been hit as well but there's no data to confirm this
4. Killed 28 Israelis, and only one off-duty Israeli soldier. Confirmed by Israel.

Casualties: Fewer than 100
Damage: Less than $10 billion, including the cost of war.

You have no proof to claim that there were direct hits on Dimona. You're pulling this one out of your ass.

So, Israel has achieved 10x-100x more than Iran. Did it win the war? Not really, but that's only because they had miscalculated the response of the Iranian people, not the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime played exactly as calculated by them to the T.

Some people say that Israel did not achieve their declared goals such as regime change. Well, sure. But Iran continuously said that Israel would cease to exist after war with Iran. Did we achieve that? Didn't we say that there will be no Israel after TP3? Haven't we threatened to destroy Israel for like half a century? Give me a break. Israel achieved a higher percent of her goals than Iran did.

Also, the regime in Iran will be toppled soon. It has all the factors for a regime that is on the verge of collapse. Food prices have increased by 20%-30% just last month after the war. As we speak, Tehran has run out of drinking water and they have cut off water in Tehran. Even affluent neighborhoods of Tehran where influential politicians and businessmen live do not have drinking water as we speak. Pardis, a satellite city of Tehran, has not had drinking water for the last 48 hours. Add to this electricity cuts since May, where people do not have electricity for 2 days every other day. Add to this air pollution as well, which is so bad that thousands of people had to go to the ER.

The regime is begging to negotiate with the US and E3 now. It has been confirmed by both Iran and the Europeans that Iranian delegation will meet with the E3 on Saturday. Per the US, It is either unconditional surrender or the snapback mechanism.

Khamenei said: "There will be no war, and there will be no negotiations". Guess what? There was a war, they did hit our nuclear infrastructure, and we are still negotiating with them.

So, if you think this is over, you are clearly wrong. This has just started to reach the final stage. They are turning Iran into Syria II and the regime is paralyzed, doesn't know what to do and has no strategy for getting out of the situation. Iran may have survived the 12-day battle, but the war is still on and has just started.

It’s shocking how clueless you are.
other than the economic situation, you have zero , absolutely zero evidence to back up anything you said.
Newsflash, the middle class has disappeared in the western hemisphere. There’s been 100% inflation in the US over the past five years . Russia has defeated NATO in Ukraine and China’s rise can not be stopped .
The problem with people like you is that you live in fantasy land. Do you think everything is just wonderful everywhere else? You have an inferiority complex. You really believe every garbage and propaganda that comes from the other side.
Do you really think that Iran is going to come out and say no significant damage was done to the nuclear program when they’re dealing with an ego maniac who changes his mind like a leaf in the wind.? US intel agencies are saying no significant damage was done.
Sit back, relax and watch what happens.

 

[ShapurII]

It’s shocking how clueless you are.
other than the economic situation, you have zero , absolutely zero evidence to back up anything you said.
Newsflash, the middle class has disappeared in the western hemisphere. There’s been 100% inflation in the US over the past five years . Russia has defeated NATO in Ukraine and China’s rise can not be stopped .
The problem with people like you is that you live in fantasy land. Do you think everything is just wonderful everywhere else? You have an inferiority complex. You really believe every garbage and propaganda that comes from the other side.
Do you really think that Iran is going to come out and say no significant damage was done to the nuclear program when they’re dealing with an ego maniac who changes his mind like a leaf in the wind.? US intel agencies are saying no significant damage was done.
Sit back, relax and watch what happens.

What a load of nonsense.

People in the capital of Iran do not have drinking water! Let that sink in! Even African nations are not like that. Even Beirut is not like that now. No water, no electricity, crazy inflation, minimum wage is $150 per month, and you have a retard in power who says nuclear weapons are haram (nothing like that in the Quran), insists on keeping a nuclear program that no longer exists and has no purpose and wants to destroy Israel when he is even afraid of the Taliban. You can't make this shit up.

I repeat, Iran survived the first battle. The war has just started.
Now go beg Europeans not to initiate the snapback mechanism. The same people who have openly declared war on you for 2 decades and fully support Israel.

 

[FUB]

What a loan of nonsense.

People in the capital of Iran do not have drinking water! Let that sink in! Even African nations are not like that. Even Beirut is not like that now. No water, no electricity, crazy inflation, minimum wage is $150 per month, and you have a retard in power who says nuclear weapons are haram (nothing like that in the Quran), insists on keeping a nuclear program that no longer exists and has no purpose and wants to destroy Israel when he is even afraid of the Taliban. You can't make this shit up.

I repeat, Iran survived the first battle. The war has just started.
Now go beg Europeans not to initiate the snapback mechanism. The same people who have openly declared war on you for 2 decades and fully support Israel.

I’m going believe John Mearsheimer over your analysis. He’s one of hundreds that say the same thing.

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I live in the US. I don’t know where you live. You have no clue. This is supposed to be a first world nation.

I could go on for days, but here’s a short summary
median price of a home on the east or the West Coast of the country is north of $1 million. Do you know what the monthly payments over 30 years? $10,000 a month
do you know how much you need to make to qualify for that ?
$350,000 a year
What percentage of the population do you think makes that?

This country has become de facto renter nation. Do you know what the working class jobs are here?
Uber drivers, security guards, waitresses, and waiters, dispensary workers, hookers, I can go on and on

do you know what the average age of a car is on the road? 20 years old

Do you know what percentage of under 30-year-olds live at home with mom and dad? 65%

Do you know what percentage of new vehicles on the road are leased/rented? 85%
you say is nonsense?
I know someone who graduated from medical school is an MD finished his four-year residency and can’t afford to buy a house
I am not a fan of the regime. As tragic as the Palestinian issue is in reality, not our problem. The cost of this ideology tremendous.
You’re a bald face liar when you claim that economic hardship, lack of future prosperous lives for the youth, and the younger generation is a problem in Iran exclusively. You’re wet behind the ears. You have no clue.

 

[ShapurII]

I’m going believe John Mearsheimer over your analysis. He’s one of hundreds that say the same thing.

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I live in the US. I don’t know where you live. You have no clue. This is supposed to be a first world nation.

I could go on for days, but here’s a short summary
median price of a home on the east or the West Coast of the country is north of $1 million. Do you know what the monthly payments over 30 years? $10,000 a month
do you know how much you need to make to qualify for that ?
$350,000 a year
What percentage of the population do you think makes that?

This is whataboutism.
Sure, if you want to buy a property in a large city, it's north of $1-2 million dollars. But what about Iran? One square meter of an apartment in Tehran starts from $100m IRT to $300m IRT. Prices might have dropped a little bit after the war, but it's still in that range. So, one meter square of an apartment in Tehran is 6x to 20x of the minimum wage. So, it takes a person 25-30 years to buy an apartment in Tehran if he can save 100% of his wage, which is impossible. The reality is that most people in Tehran will never be able to buy even a small apartment in their lifetime.

This country has become de facto renter nation. Do you know what the working class jobs are here?
Uber drivers, security guards, waitresses, and waiters, dispensary workers, hookers, I can go on and on

As opposed to Iranian citizens that are all brain surgeons and rocket scientists, right?
Do you know how many Iranians work in Tapsi and Snapp? 8 f*cking million people! That's more than the drivers of Uber worldwide!

بیش از ۸ میلیون نفر در اسنپ و تپسی کار می‌کنند، اوبر در کل دنیا زیر ۸ میلیون راننده دارد! این اقتصاد که ما داریم؟ (فیلم)

محمد بحرینیان، پژوهشگر توسعه: بیش از ۸ میلیون راننده در اسنپ و تپسی کار می‌کنند/ اوبر در کل دنیا در ۱۰ هزار شهر ۷ میلیون و ۸۰۰ هزار راننده دارد؛ این چه اقتصا...

www.asriran.com

We have more drivers working in internet cabs (many of them have chosen it as their second job) than Uber worldwide!

do you know what the average age of a car is on the road? 20 years old

The average age of vehicles on U.S. roads has reached a record high of 12.8 years in 2024. What about Iran?

Do you know what percentage of under 30-year-olds live at home with mom and dad? 65%

In the U.S., roughly one in three young adults aged 18-34 live with their parents. This translates to approximately 33% of this age group residing in their parents' home.
Do you know about the same figure in Iran?

Do you know what percentage of new vehicles on the road are leased/rented? 85%

And how is that an indicator of a poor economy exactly? I'm not even going to dispute this one because it's not even an indicator to begin with.

You’re a bald face liar when you claim that economic hardship, lack of future prosperous lives for the youth, and the younger generation is a problem in Iran exclusively. You’re wet behind the ears. You have no clue.

You literally lied in all of the statistics you posted, and I'm a bold face liar? Now tell me what parts of what I said were not true

 

[Arash]

There is a Chinese political idiom that has been passed down for 5,000 years: “匹夫无罪, 怀璧其罪”. It means that your attitude is not important, what matters is your ability. As long as you have the ability to threaten me, I will destroy you no matter what your attitude is.

If we only look at attitude, is Iran's attitude towards the US worse than Cuba's?

So the enemies of Israel and the United States in the Middle East are destined to be Iran first, the Arab Baath Party second, and Turkey third. Because Iran&Turkey's industrial and technological capabilities are such that it can pose a threat to Israel in the future.

So, whether Turkey is a NATO country or not, Israel will find an opportunity to attack it; whether Iran has a pro-American government or not, Israel will definitely Balkanize and Syriaize Iran.

To be honest, it is very stupid to pin the fate of a nation on the integrity and history of the enemy. There has never been a successful precedent. And the enemy is the Jews who are famous for their cruelty and fraud.

Finally, don't imagine that the struggle between the great powers will help Iran get through the crisis. The more the United States declines and the more intense the game becomes, the greater the pressure and danger Iran will face. Because Israel will inevitably want to solve the Iranian issue before the United States declines. This is the darkness before dawn.

Only a nation that constantly strives to improve itself is qualified to have a successful future. I hope the Iranian people will have a better tomorrow.

Wrong analysis by ShapurII..........

 

[FUB]

This is whataboutism.
Sure, if you want to buy a property in a large city, it's north of $1-2 million dollars. But what about Iran? One square meter of an apartment in Tehran starts from $100m IRT to $300m IRT. Prices might have dropped a little bit after the war, but it's still in that range. So, one meter square of an apartment in Tehran is 6x to 20x of the minimum wage. So, it takes a person 25-30 years to buy an apartment in Tehran if he can save 100% of his wage, which is impossible. The reality is that most people in Tehran will never be able to buy even a small apartment in their lifetime.


As opposed to Iranian citizens that are all brain surgeons and rocket scientists, right?
Do you know how many Iranians work in Tapsi and Snapp? 8 f*cking million people! That's more than the drivers of Uber worldwide!

بیش از ۸ میلیون نفر در اسنپ و تپسی کار می‌کنند، اوبر در کل دنیا زیر ۸ میلیون راننده دارد! این اقتصاد که ما داریم؟ (فیلم)

محمد بحرینیان، پژوهشگر توسعه: بیش از ۸ میلیون راننده در اسنپ و تپسی کار می‌کنند/ اوبر در کل دنیا در ۱۰ هزار شهر ۷ میلیون و ۸۰۰ هزار راننده دارد؛ این چه اقتصا...

www.asriran.com

We have more drivers working in internet cabs (many of them have chosen it as their second job) than Uber worldwide!


The average age of vehicles on U.S. roads has reached a record high of 12.8 years in 2024. What about Iran?


In the U.S., roughly one in three young adults aged 18-34 live with their parents. This translates to approximately 33% of this age group residing in their parents' home.
Do you know about the same figure in Iran?


And how is that an indicator of a poor economy exactly? I'm not even going to dispute this one because it's not even an indicator to begin with.


You literally lied in all of the statistics you posted, and I'm a bold face liar? Now tell me what parts of what I said were not true

Again, like I said, you are clueless. You can not back a single statement with facts.
Iran has been under economic siege for the last 35 years. What do you think are the effects? Is it all the incompetence of the regime?
What don't you enlighten us on how they should have navigated just the following:

1995 – Executive Order 12959 bans all U.S. trade and investment with Iran.
1996 – Iran and Libya Sanctions Act (ILSA) targets foreign companies investing in Iran’s oil and gas sector.
2010 – Comprehensive Iran Sanctions Act (CISADA) targets Iran’s refined petroleum, banking, and insurance sectors.
2011 – U.S. sanctions Iran’s Central Bank and oil exports to restrict revenue.
2012 – National Defense Authorization Act cuts off Iran from global financial system (SWIFT).
2012 – Executive Order 13622 sanctions foreign banks dealing with Iran’s oil sector.
2013 – Sanctions intensify on Iran’s automotive, shipping, and currency sectors.
2018 – Reimposes all economic sanctions lifted under the nuclear deal, targeting oil, banking, shipping, and insurance.
2019 – Blocks all Iranian oil exports and imposes full economic embargo, including sanctions on foreign buyers.
2020 – U.S. announces “maximum pressure” campaign to collapse Iran’s economy by targeting every key revenue stream.

This is the US, which holds the world's reserve currency. It prints paper out of thin air and rules with gunboat diplomacy.


According to a new survey from Harris Poll for Bloomberg, roughly 45% of people ages 18 to 29 are living at home with their families — the highest figure since the 1940s. More than 60% of Gen-Zers and millennials reported moving back home in the past two years, according to the poll, often because of financial challenges.

Two-thirds of the workforce
62% (2021) — Analysis by the Center for American Progress based on Census Bureau data found 62% of the U.S. workforce lacked a four-year degree—104 million workers out of the total labor force . the working class earns around $40,000/year on average Advisor Perspectives+15Reddit+15bls.gov+15en.wikipedia.org.

Over 50 million have to rely on food stamps.
According to Feeding America, 50–53 million Americans (about 1 in 6) relied on food banks, pantries, or meals programs in 2021–2023 Wikipedia+10Feeding America+10Reddit+10.

The current data is exponentially worse. I see it. Half of the households are renting as of 2021.​

in 2021, among households, 52.9% were renter-occupied Wikipedia+13Wikipedia+13Wikipedia+13CBS News+5Census.gov+5The Hamilton Project+5.

I was not off by much.
Passenger Cars: 14.5 years Hedges & Company.

Almost one million live on the streets. You see tents and tent cities everywhere.

• 64% (≈494,000) were in shelters, transitional housing, or safe havens.
• 36% (≈277,000) were unsheltered, meaning living in places not meant for habitation (e.g., streets, vehicles) YouTube+15National Low Income Housing Coalition+15HUD User

Drug overdoses
Almost 500,000 have died in the last five years. These are the ones that they found.

United States drug overdose death rates and totals over time - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Food
Eggs- 126% increase over the last 5 years
Meat- 35%

CPI: Average Price Data

CPI: Average Price Data

www.bls.gov

Income
Median real weekly earnings for full-time workers rose by ~1.7% from 2019 to 2023

https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/the-purchasing-power-of-american-households?utm_source=chatgpt.com

The housing cost did not increase only in big metro areas. It exploded across the country

Shelter CPI

↑ ~15–20% since 2020

Average Rent

↑ ~35–40% since 2020 (15% + 8.6% + 5.6% + 5.6%)

Median Rent Level

~14% increase from 2020 ($1.4k → $1.6k/month)

Home Prices

↑ ~45% ($289k → $418k)

How the pandemic transformed the housing market in 5 years

Prices surged and inventory dried up.

www.axios.com

Anyone with basic common sense knows that most people lease a car because they can't afford to buy one outright. Renting — whether it's a car or a home — isn’t a sign of financial strength; it’s often a reflection of economic limitations.

Debt
Iran's foreign Debt $6.3 billion
Total Debt 34% GDP



So tell us, then — the so-called "incompetent" regime, suffocating under an economic siege — how does it compare to the United States, a country with the luxury of the world’s reserve currency and an endless money printer?


According to you, everything is thriving elsewhere. No debt crisis, no inflation, no social unrest — just perfection.


Go ahead, keep spinning fairytales about how Iran was "crushed" in the 12-day war and how it's supposedly on the verge of collapse — any day now.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Like India supports Israel?

like opening its air space to israel

 

[ShapurII]

Again, like I said, you are clueless. You can not back a single statement with facts.
Iran has been under economic siege for the last 35 years. What do you think are the effects? Is it all the incompetence of the regime?

No, you do not get to escape from answering and start lying again. First, you have to back up what you claimed, then you can initiate new arguments.
You were proven to be a liar. Everything you said was proven to be wrong when fact-checked independently.

Now it's your turn to tell me what I had lied about. You called me a bold face liar. Now you have to back it up.
Go back to that post, tell me what I said that was wrong.

Pardis in the province of Tehran hasn't had drinking water since 48 hours ago. Is this a lie?
Many neighborhoods of Tehran do not have drinking water as we speak. Is this a lie?
We have had electricity cuts since May. 2 hours ever other day. Is this a lie?
Minimum wage is now about $150 per month. Is this a lie?
The air pollution index of Tehran reached 350 a few weeks ago. Thousands of people ended up visiting the ER. Is this a lie?
28-33 high-ranking IRGC and Artesh figures were assassinated by Israel in 12 days. Is this a lie?
12 nuclear scientists were assassinated in the 12 day war. Is this a lie?
1,100 Iranians have been confirmed dead. +5,800 were injured. Is this a lie?

So, tell me specifically. What I said that was not true?

 

[MH.Yang]

like opening its air space to israel

Don't add more enemies. Protect yourself first.

 

[vizier]

How is it possible?
Except if China or Russia give them SAM already available, and the exact models on which the iranian soldiers are trained, it's doubtfull.

Khordad 3 is produced by Iran and they may have extra vehicles in depots in case the operating ones are destroyed.

Next time there will be 2 dangers against Iran AD systems.

One is the usual long range gps-spy satellite designated attacks with cruise missiles and drones. Khordad 3 can be relocated rapidly to get away from these attacks.

The other danger is AGM-88 Harm. I dont know how many of their missiles are destroyed by AGM-88. It can target by itself after illuminating radar and its rough direction is detected by the plane.

Agm-88 is a mach 3 missile with a rocket engine thus it has high infrared signature. Pantsyr can engage agm88 but it is in limited numbers and uses clos dependant on the radar too much if it is jammed it doesnt work.

Infrared guided surface to air missiles coupled with ground vehicle IIR-radar scanning can take out these high speed targets relatively cheaply in my opinion. Aim-9 sidewinder is mach 2 infrared homing that can turn high Gs. Iran has a sidewinder copy Azaraksh air to air missile which can be converted to surface to air missile. It has about 5km range and similar altitude capability but as a means to protect the radars of Khordad-3 mobile sam systems it can be used in my opinion.

For low ir signature slow moving weapons like glide bombs laser guided sidewinder variant can be used.

A mach 3 unguided rocket with the size of agm-88 can be launched from a plane to test the surface to air sidewinder.

 

[Xerxes22]

One is talking to domestic audience and the other to international audience. Iran is telling West everything is destroyed so there is no pretext for any further attack. Whether that's true or not we will see later.

I have nothing to say. Sun Tzu says every war is already won or lost before it begins. And with this mentality, the war and alot more than the war would be lost before anything even begins.

For me this is typical representation of absolutely cowardly leadership. Even for leaders bravery as a characteristic is important. Bravery and courage or outright balls is just as important a virtue as others if one is to play a leadership role. For a leader or a person to be to assess a strategic situation with clarity it takes courage.

The lack of it results to that person to deceive himself with outcomes that are actually fantasies but those fantasies are the only scenarios there mind is able to accept because of them being utter cowards.

This has been the case with bastards such as Zarif. Zarif the bastard, is a CRAWLING COWARD. This prick only talks about diplomacy in a way that's only possible for a man who is able to sit down on a sofa while another man is banging his wife on the bed in front of him. I'm sure if I f*cked zarifs wife in front of him in bed he wouldn't protest. Cuz he can't. He is a sick coward. And so is the case with many of the moderates and alot of the islamists. A coward regardless of what they believe in will drag every one to the absolute limits of disgrace.

I apologize for the strong language in this post but ....F*ck zarif, you know what I mean?

 

[ghazi52]

Neither the donkey knows what it's pulling, nor does the camel knows where it is going. This is the state of the Middle East today.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Araghchi claims Iran never wanted to destroy Israel

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

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Araghchi claims Iran never wanted to destroy Israel

He means no "physicial destruction" was planned, but a "diplomatic destruction" through pressure (and armed resistance), forcing a 1 state solution which would dissolve the State of Israel to create a new state where jews, muslims and christians would live together.
Just like how the apartheid state of South Africa was dissolved. I think this has been the official goal/policy of the Islamic republic VS Israel.

The Islamic Republic of Iran in the past also said that they would accept other solutions/models if that would be the will and choice of the Palestinians.

 

[The SC]

Israel: There is a possibility to renew the campaign against Iran

إسرائيل: هناك احتمال لتجدد الحملة على إيران

إسرائيل: هناك احتمال لتجدد الحملة على إيران

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