Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Windjammer]

The Crescent Strikes Back.
This weekend ARY (UK) is airing a documentary on the India/Pakistan clash at 7.00 PM BST.

 

[Meengla]

I didn't know where to post it so here.
This is an Indian channel. Strange that Indians think that Pakistan is going to betray China. That's a near impossibility into the foreseeable future.

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[Yasser76]

here is the maximum possible tally for rafale
Shot down on 7th:
1 in Bathinda(Confirmed)
1 In Srinagar (According to press conference)
1 near Jammu(According to press conference and near to border)
Shot down 10th:
1 in Bhimber(I remember seeing the phone on May 10th and there were rumors a female pilot was captured and a rafale shot down there)
1 in Srinagar(with the picture you shared)
1 in Srinagar(if we take shiv aroor's tweet)



6 rafales in maximum possibility though i dont hold it as true

Now tally it with all the other losses and max at the max ABSOLUTELY i do not see it as likely but gathering from the tweets the tally is 9-0(Six Rafale, one mirage, su30, mig29k)

PAF claiming 6 but whole world seems to be settiling on the figure of 5. Unless PAF presents more evidence (which could happen via Alan Warnes) Western military and Chinese military (and Trump!) think 5.

If this is true, my guess is 2 Rafales, 1 MIG-29, 1 SU-30, 1 Mirage 2000

Issue is PAF are claiming 4 Rafales but 6 kills in total, so unsure what the other two types are

 

[I*R*A]

This is an Indian channel.

You must have seen Arnab almost begging Gao (the Chines guy) "... why are you siding with Pakistan, they are terrorists..." blah blah.

Basically they think they can use their media to make Chinese think otherwise, hmm is it going to work? Who knows .. they do harp on "Cheeni Hindi bai bai" thing.

 

[Corax]

PAF claiming 6 but whole world seems to be settiling on the figure of 5. Unless PAF presents more evidence (which could happen via Alan Warnes) Western military and Chinese military (and Trump!) think 5.

If this is true, my guess is 2 Rafales, 1 MIG-29, 1 SU-30, 1 Mirage 2000

Issue is PAF are claiming 4 Rafales but 6 kills in total, so unsure what the other two types are

4 Rafales, 1 Mig-29, 1 Mirage 2000.

 

[Yasser76]

4 Rafales, 1 Mig-29, 1 Mirage 2000.

Yes, possible, but many people are pointing out the two crew and two parachutes at one of the crash sites leading to a possible SU-30, but then again Indians do use two seat Mirage 2000s in strike role too

 

[Meengla]

PAF claiming 6 but whole world seems to be settiling on the figure of 5. Unless PAF presents more evidence (which could happen via Alan Warnes) Western military and Chinese military (and Trump!) think 5.
If this is true, my guess is 2 Rafales, 1 MIG-29, 1 SU-30, 1 Mirage 2000
Issue is PAF are claiming 4 Rafales but 6 kills in total, so unsure what the other two types are

Five Indian fighter jets downed are good enough because fighter jets downed get more focus then on the ground losses, for some odd reasons!! For a long time, just one Indian fighter jet downed in 2019 was noticed by the global media. But, hey, at least 'the tea is fantastic' craze is now over and poor Abhinandan is relieved! Haha! BTW, I haven't seen him retract his nice comments about his good treatment by the Pakistanis while in captivity; he had even said he won't retract after going back to India. If true, then a good professional soldier and to be respected.

You must have seen Arnab almost begging Gao (the Chines guy) "... why are you siding with Pakistan, they are terrorists..." blah blah.
Basically they think they can use their media to make Chinese think otherwise, hmm is it going to work? Who knows .. they do harp on "Cheeni Hindi bai bai" thing.

It is a futile attempt by the Indian political and media entities to try to break Pakistan from China. Even Americans know not to try that.

 

[Yasser76]

Five Indian fighter jets downed are good enough because fighter jets downed get more focus then on the ground losses, for some odd reasons!! For a long time, just one Indian fighter jet downed in 2019 was noticed by the global media. But, hey, at least 'the tea is fantastic' craze is now over and poor Abhinandan is relieved! Haha! BTW, I haven't seen him retract his nice comments about his good treatment by the Pakistanis while in captivity; he had even said he won't retract after going back to India. If true, then a good professional soldier and to be respected.



It is a futile attempt by the Indian political and media entities to try to break Pakistan from China. Even Americans know not to try that.

Well said, have to admit, the Indian Wing Commander behaved like a true officer and gentleman, during and post captivity.

 

[Falcon26]

I didn't know where to post it so here.
This is an Indian channel. Strange that Indians think that Pakistan is going to betray China. That's a near impossibility into the foreseeable future.

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India is now trying to warm up to China. They sent a high level delegation there this week and their analyst community is attacking the US & painting them unreliable.

They think an economic cooperation with China will make Pakistan less useful to China and hence would isolate Pakistan. India’s entire foreign policy is Pakistan centric. It’s Pakistan that dictates who India deals with.

In fact, the Hindu nationalists don’t even see Pakistan as a legitimate nation. They see it as a rogue subordinate. They hold the view that Pakistan will ultimately rejoin India and Pakistanis would convert to idol worship. It’s a crazed worldview but a real and direct threat to Pakistan.

 

[Yasser76]

India is now trying to warm up to China. They sent a high level delegation there this week and their analyst community is attacking the US & painting them unreliable.

Good luck to them, if one country nows how to handle Indians better then Pak it is China.

They will attempt to play China, watch China play them....

 

[Falcon26]

Five Indian fighter jets downed are good enough because fighter jets downed get more focus then on the ground losses, for some odd reasons!! For a long time, just one Indian fighter jet downed in 2019 was noticed by the global media. But, hey, at least 'the tea is fantastic' craze is now over and poor Abhinandan is relieved! Haha! BTW, I haven't seen him retract his nice comments about his good treatment by the Pakistanis while in captivity; he had even said he won't retract after going back to India. If true, then a good professional soldier and to be respected.



It is a futile attempt by the Indian political and media entities to try to break Pakistan from China. Even Americans know not to try that.

The point of an Air Force is to dominate the airspace. No one cares how many irrelevant craters you made in some hangers and runways when you have 5 of your top planes shot down and your Air Force grounded for 2 days. If the objective is to crater a runway, an artillery unit can do a better job.

 

[Meengla]

In fact, the Hindu nationalists don’t even see Pakistan as a legitimate nation. They see it as a rogue subordinate. They hold the view that Pakistan will ultimately rejoin India and Pakistanis would convert to idol worship. It’s a crazed worldview but a real and direct threat to Pakistan.

I saw a clip of Modi where he talked about his surprise visit to Pakistan after gaining power in 2014 to attend then PM Nawaz Sharif's personal family event. Modi mentioned that visit but also, perhaps in a Freudian Slip said something like 'but they were once part of India'. That betrayed a mindset which on civilizational level refuses to recognize Pakistan as a sovereign nation.

 

[samsite84]

I saw a clip of Modi where he talked about his surprise visit to Pakistan after gaining power in 2014 to attend then PM Nawaz Sharif's personal family event. Modi mentioned that visit but also, perhaps in a Freudian Slip said something like 'but they were once part of India'. That betrayed a mindset which on civilizational level refuses to recognize Pakistan as a sovereign nation.

For the Nth time... Majority Indians, don't want any part of Pakistan and are perfectly happy to leave Pakistan on its own...

I am not here to defend Modi or to attest to his state of mind, so won't respond to then why did he say this or that. The fact is India has had diplomatic relations with Pakistan as a sovereign entity - everything else is hogwash

Many time, our curiosity is taken as obsession - in similar vein I can say every member on this thread is obsessed with India.

Lastly, on the India-Pakistan conflict, I think it has petered out pretty much. No major moves being made and both parties back to square one.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

For the Nth time... Majority Indians, don't want any part of Pakistan and are perfectly happy to leave Pakistan on its own...

I am not here to defend Modi or to attest to his state of mind, so won't respond to then why did he say this or that. The fact is India has had diplomatic relations with Pakistan as a sovereign entity - everything else is hogwash

Many time, our curiosity is taken as obsession - in similar vein I can say every member on this thread is obsessed with India.

Lastly, on the India-Pakistan conflict, I think it has petered out pretty much. No major moves being made and both parties back to square one.

thank you for your insight,nice to see one sane indian

 

[Watandar]

I saw a clip of Modi where he talked about his surprise visit to Pakistan after gaining power in 2014 to attend then PM Nawaz Sharif's personal family event. Modi mentioned that visit but also, perhaps in a Freudian Slip said something like 'but they were once part of India'. That betrayed a mindset which on civilizational level refuses to recognize Pakistan as a sovereign nation.

I dont want to defend Modi or Indians but I think there are two types of Indians, one are the Hindutva or nationalist types who really do believe like Zionists that only they are the owners of the whole land, in this case entire subcontinent, and will take it all back, and then there are Indians who say "we are one people" or "we were once one country" out of comity and seeking friendship. Pakistanis often misinterpret these words as you dont know what kind of Indian is saying it.

Mr Vajpayee on his visit to Pakistan took a photo near Minar e Pakistan. There was a message there.