From Absolutely Not to America Please?

[Abdul q]

America pretty please
Imran's sons and Nephews of Zionist Zac Goldsmith are using their ultimate card in America.

so the new slogan will be .. thankyou America.
this is why I tell my fellow peasant Pakistanis to avoid cursing mothers and sisters of other people in the name of their Leader worship, these are elites and elites have reach and they get what they want.

Imran’s sons meet Trump aide to kick off US campaign to free father

Sulaiman and Kasim meet with Richard Grenell, Dr Asif Mahmood; Minister of State for Interior Tallal Chaudhry says meeting will have no practical effect.

www.dawn.com

Meanwhile the patriots and builders are working 24/7 to deliver food inside the houses of people day and mostly night….making sure no one’s left hungry… they have installed a very competent and patriotic govt… they’re making sure we don’t end up like iran and bring change through serious reforms… making sure law is upheld and accountability across the board…. That’s why we have been successful…. The same army brigade went on to change provisional laws to basically hand over minerals to them and when someone goes to talk to America about law and justice their a***es are set on fire…. That’s why i think these peasant sucking germnails are planted and this ISI and army is compromised , infiltrated more than Egypt…..

 

[alphapak]

Neither Pakistan was offering any bases nor America was asking for any

Well Mushy did give them bases so they want to check with IK if he was ok
with it if they wanted drone bases again. They got a blunt answer.

 

[Abdul q]

Are these people in military are all like irfan baloch and few other hardcore ones who just can’t see apparent wronguns… the same bootlickers changed an elected govt on a call from deputy level US citizen on a phone call…. Talk about hypocrisy….
i again remind these university of patriots that in any case establishment is not who made nor saved Pakistan… infact it has divided it.. the same generation from general rani who never been out from cantt walls are breaking the country into more pieces.. balochistan is a no go zone and i can’t blame baloch people anymore after what they did in Punjab and KPK…..

 

[imadul]

In Pak patriotism is a massive buzz word, misleading, and a cover-up phenomenon.

I mean, go back to march 1971 operation search light and telling bengalis you are traitors. Let army hijack elections and deny you the elected people you want. This is the definition of patriotism taught in military academies of army.
I mean, their level of denial, and that on the basis of GUN is the biggest insult to ordinary Pakistanis who are told you are NO stakeholder. Just Shut up and Listen.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

In Pak patriotism is a massive buzz word, misleading, and a cover-up phenomenon.

I mean, go back to march 1971 operation search light and telling bengalis you are traitors. Let army hijack elections and deny you the elected people you want. This is the definition of patriotism taught in military academies of army.
I mean, their level of denial, and that on the basis of GUN is the biggest insult to ordinary Pakistanis who are told you are NO stakeholder. Just Shut up and Listen.

your oversimplified and selective recollection of history is very pleasing.
joining foreign hostile forces and conspiring against state has no other meaning. if in doubt check how Iranians, Saudis and Turks deal with such people.
and even with those who voice support for them via social media thinking they will remain anonymous forever.

PTI exposed itself after coming to power because it compromised itself for self interest and became no different to Noon league and PPP which sings the songs of "same page while in power" and become ideological when thrown out.

this PTI criticizes generals and political opponents over American appeasing and boot licking but its doing exactly the same in America.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Unless people of Pakistan's opinion is respected and our Chosen Leaders are respected and honoured , Nation can't move or progress well

You can't just Rig the whole election in 24 hours and change winner certificates to looser

Pakistani People reject , do not accept the rigged result

We reject fake Judges brought up in decision making roles by 12 Seat winner, pretending to be winner of election in Pakistan

 

[Jango]

your oversimplified and selective recollection of history is very pleasing.
joining foreign hostile forces and conspiring against state has no other meaning. if in doubt check how Iranians, Saudis and Turks deal with such people.
and even with those who voice support for them via social media thinking they will remain anonymous forever.

PTI exposed itself after coming to power because it compromised itself for self interest and became no different to Noon league and PPP which sings the songs of "same page while in power" and become ideological when thrown out.

this PTI criticizes generals and political opponents over American appeasing and boot licking but its doing exactly the same in America.

So you don't think there is anything wrong with how the judicial system is being absolutely manhandled, and two kids find this as the last opportunity to get their father out, and you have a problem with even that?

To phir aur kia karain woh? Fight the case in courts? Pray to God? Do a rain dance? What should they do to get their father out?

 

[vasanthm]

@Baibers_1260 You've been quite vocal about Indian democracy and institutions, fair enough. But what's your own take on the current state of democracy and institutional credibility in Pakistan? Genuinely curious.

 

[Baibers_1260]

@Baibers_1260 You've been quite vocal about Indian democracy and institutions, fair enough. But what's your own take on the current state of democracy and institutional credibility in Pakistan? Genuinely curious.

My answer

1. As a sovereign nation we in Pakistan will follow our own model of governance based on our own judgement and the will of our people, once we are out of a security and wartime mode..
2. The enemy fascist state of India run by a savage religious fundamentalist regime of thugs is NO role model to follow. We don't need sermons from enemy communal savages and we are currently in an existential struggle that has been imposed upon us. Luckily we have the capability to impose pain on this fascist aggressive entity which is unlike any of the victims of its aggression

@Master Chief @Yasser76

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Baibers_1260

once we are out of a security and wartime mode.

If maybe better.

Regards

 

[vasanthm]

My answer

1. As a sovereign nation we in Pakistan will follow our own model of governance based on our own judgement and the will of our people, once we are out of a security and wartime mode..
2. The enemy fascist state of India run by a savage religious fundamentalist regime of thugs is NO role model to follow. We don't need sermons from enemy communal savages and we are currently in an existential struggle that has been imposed upon us. Luckily we have the capability to impose pain on this fascist aggressive entity which is unlike any of the victims of its aggression

@Master Chief @Yasser76

Security and wartime never seems to end

 

[alphapak]

joining foreign hostile forces and conspiring against state has no other meaning.

Is this not what the British Indian Mafia have been doing?

Gen Musharaf gave away 2 bases to U.S so they can bomb Pakistan, he handed over his own people, let in thousands of CIA blackwater operatives (Raymond Davis type).

Gen Janani carried on the same policy and surrendered during Salala check post attack and Abbottabad raid. The list is endless of what these traitors have been doing to Pakistan.

Then you have these Generals who rig elections, loot the Country and run away after retirement.

 

[alphapak]

Are these people in military are all like irfan baloch

These guys are modern day firowns, they want to oppress their people but the oppressed cannot even raise a voice.

Firown gave the order to murder every male child but his foot soldiers carried out the dirty work. It is same situation in Pakistan, whatever their prophet Asim says these goons will do it.

Its called chain of command for khotay.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Unless people of Pakistan's opinion is respected and our Chosen Leaders are respected and honoured , Nation can't move or progress well

You can't just Rig the whole election in 24 hours and change winner certificates to looser

Pakistani People reject , do not accept the rigged result

We reject fake Judges brought up in decision making roles by 12 Seat winner, pretending to be winner of election in Pakistan

I agree with that. this rule must be applied even when it seems to favor the rival party as well.. no doubt last elections were rigged. recall that same tactics were employed in 2018 to help form the government?

 

[Baibers_1260]

Security and wartime never seems to end

Yes, our geo-strategic position and a 1500 year generational enmity is prolonged yet there IS an end in sight.
With shifting global alliances and the rise of our principal ally as a super power , our own enhanced military capabilities we have the capacity to inflict pain on our enemy. Ultimately our enemy will be defeated by a combination of these factors and most importantly its own internal "dialectical " contradictions.
Some salient points:

1. A fascist enemy is subject to the dialectical axiom."Every system creates within itself the causes of its own down fall"
2. Unlike other fascist states in previous history our enemy is not homogeneous, with a single language, culture, religion, and ethnicity. It is riven with fissures that have been precariously held together by the glue of communal hatred against its prime minority.
3. Nurturing hatred is standard to fascism in all countries subscribing to this ideology but the hatred re-enforces a solid ideological foundation. It is not a substitute for an inherently disciplined, and patriotic mindset. As our enemy slips further into its caste divide ( holding a National Caste Census) we look forward to a further weakening of its principle Hindutva ideology and deterioration of its institutions when these get completely manned by incompetent goons .
4. We will watch the inherent contradictions of caste, religion, language and poverty rip asunder our enemy, just like other states like Yugoslavia and the mighty Soviet Union splintered in just under 80 years. Poverty, and caste were not a factor with either Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. yet they splintered.
5. If our actions can reduce the comedy circus of our enemy called the "Parliament " into a screaming match with the dummy Vice President resigning in the midst and the proceedings adjourned for three consecutive days we know that we are winning and unless there is an apocalyptic war we will be out of our security situation with a regime change in the enemy.
6. We are blessed that our enemy has no desire for martyrdom and has little to no capacity to sustain mass casualties. Russia with a tenth of the population is willing to take 1.2 million dead in pursuit of its objective to eliminate the threat of an external backed proxy on its border. India in a similar situation has no such capacity. It is the only fascist state in history which is unwilling to go to the ultimate end in destruction of its adversary.

At this point in time our situation is much better and hopefully we will see the. splintering of our prime enemy and reverting to the status as it was in 700 CE
@SoulSpokesman ,@Vkdindian1 @Master Chief @Yasser76 @onlinpunit @Raj-Hindustani