From Absolutely Not to America Please?

[Irfan Baloch]

So you don't think there is anything wrong with how the judicial system is being absolutely manhandled, and two kids find this as the last opportunity to get their father out, and you have a problem with even that?

To phir aur kia karain woh? Fight the case in courts? Pray to God? Do a rain dance? What should they do to get their father out?

Imran's incarceration is unjustified. our judiciary is compromised.
Imran's sons have the right to get Imran released

I am using Imran Khan's speech and his logic and criticism of seeking American support. recall, its Imran who (correctly) calls out his political rivals for seeking American favors.

having a two tier sense of criticism and justice wont work with people who are not emotionally invested in Pakistani politics.

as for your ending paragraph, I say power to his sons, they can go to America and send their uncle Zac to Israel if that helps even visit Israeli close friends like Emirates etc. but then don't criticize PPP and Noon league when they will do that as well. remember, Imran's political rivals are taking notes. they wont be as forgiving.

 

[vasanthm]

Yes, our geo-strategic position and a 1500 year generational enmity is prolonged yet there IS an end in sight.
With shifting global alliances and the rise of our principal ally as a super power , our own enhanced military capabilities we have the capacity to inflict pain on our enemy. Ultimately our enemy will be defeated by a combination of these factors and most importantly its own internal "dialectical " contradictions.
Some salient points:

1. A fascist enemy is subject to the dialectical axiom."Every system creates within itself the causes of its own down fall"
2. Unlike other fascist states in previous history our enemy is not homogeneous, with a single language, culture, religion, and ethnicity. It is riven with fissures that have been precariously held together by the glue of communal hatred against its prime minority.
3. Nurturing hatred is standard to fascism in all countries subscribing to this ideology but the hatred re-enforces a solid ideological foundation. It is not a substitute for an inherently disciplined, and patriotic mindset. As our enemy slips further into its caste divide ( holding a National Caste Census) we look forward to a further weakening of its principle Hindutva ideology and deterioration of its institutions when these get completely manned by incompetent goons .
4. We will watch the inherent contradictions of caste, religion, language and poverty rip asunder our enemy, just like other states like Yugoslavia and the mighty Soviet Union splintered in just under 80 years. Poverty, and caste were not a factor with either Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union. yet they splintered.
5. If our actions can reduce the comedy circus of our enemy called the "Parliament " into a screaming match with the dummy Vice President resigning in the midst and the proceedings adjourned for three consecutive days we know that we are winning and unless there is an apocalyptic war we will be out of our security situation with a regime change in the enemy.
6. We are blessed that our enemy has no desire for martyrdom and has little to no capacity to sustain mass casualties. Russia with a tenth of the population is willing to take 1.2 million dead in pursuit of its objective to eliminate the threat of an external backed proxy on its border. India in a similar situation has no such capacity. It is the only fascist state in history which is unwilling to go to the ultimate end in destruction of its adversary.

At this point in time our situation is much better and hopefully we will see the. splintering of our prime enemy and reverting to the status as it was in 700 CE

Keep trying, all the best

 

[alphapak]

its Imran who (correctly) calls out his political rivals for seeking American favors.

having a two tier sense of criticism and justice wont work with people who are not emotionally invested in Pakistani politics.

It depends on what favours, if it benefits the Country then its good.

But if it for an individual who just wants visa for family members, property and bank balance abroad then its different.

Every Country looks out for their interests and Pakistan should be no different.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Is this not what the British Indian Mafia have been doing?

Gen Musharaf gave away 2 bases to U.S so they can bomb Pakistan, he handed over his own people, let in thousands of CIA blackwater operatives (Raymond Davis type).

Gen Janani carried on the same policy and surrendered during Salala check post attack and Abbottabad raid. The list is endless of what these traitors have been doing to Pakistan.

Then you have these Generals who rig elections, loot the Country and run away after retirement.

very cute, I wish you had highlighted that when certain generals rigged in favor of PTI during the 2018 elections.

what own people were handed over to America? throat slitters, bomb makers and mosque attackers? again, I admire Turkiya, Saudis Iranians how they deal with such people.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It depends on what favours, if it benefits the Country then its good.

But if it for an individual who just wants visa for family members, property and bank balance abroad then its different.

Every Country looks out for their interests and Pakistan should be no different.

if you are convincing PTI supporters then you are preaching the converted.
try this with those who are not emotionally invested in Imran Khan.

try selling it to them that what PTI is doing in America is not for personal benefit of Imran Khan when every other billboard is about release Imran Khan.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Keep trying, all the best

Best of luck with your next "new normal " round. Keep trying. This time announce the date of the National Caste census right in the middle of Operation Karwa Chauth.

 

[alphapak]

very cute, I wish you had highlighted that when certain generals rigged in favor of PTI during the 2018 elections.

what own people were handed over to America? throat slitters, bomb makers and mosque attackers? again, I admire Turkiya, Saudis Iranians how they deal with such people.

They have rigged every election, 2018 was rigged against PTI they were robbed of 40 seats so IK does not get the majority.

How many throats did Afia Siddiqui and her 3 children slit?

 

[alphapak]

try selling it to them that what PTI is doing in America is not for personal benefit of Imran Khan when every other billboard is about release Imran Khan.

There is no law in Pakistan everything is decided by your prophet Asim Munir, what can people do to get Justice?

If their was law and order in Pakistan then it will benefit everyone not just IK.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

They have rigged every election, 2018 was rigged against PTI they were robbed of 40 seats so IK does not get the majority.

How many throats did Afia Siddiqui and her 3 children slit?

I wont bring the kids of Afia siddiqui but herself who left her pakistani husband for an Al Qaeda inner circle guy? Americans dont have unlimited resources or time to waste time on "innocent" people... they will just bomb them as collateral. she was indeed involved in the nerve gas against Subway in America.

and her name came up in blood diamonds in Africa probe by chance and it transpired that Al Qaeda was also using the illicit trade to fund its activities when countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia stopped regarding these maniacs as (brothers and sisters) she is as innocent as Lal Masjid administration.

showing her frail pictures is withholding the reality of her past. she shouldn't have taken the Panga @VCheng .. sorry I have to disagree with you on this one American agencies failed to monitor some of the MIT students who became radicalized and recruited for their expertise to help with sophisticated and complex plans of mass casualties in America and beyond. I am not questioning the right to seek American help and approval to release Imran Khan but I am wondering how PTI can keep a straight face by justifying American intervention for Imran's person but criticizing GHQ, Noon league and PPP for doing the same.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Baibers_1260

With shifting global alliances and the rise of our principal ally as a super power ,

Can we go back to 1991 please? Pakistan's ally (US) won the Cold War versus your fascist enemy states ally (USSR). How did the aftermath work out for you and your fascist enemy state?

Regards

 

[VCheng]

showing her frail pictures is withholding the reality of her past. she shouldn't have taken the Panga @VCheng .. sorry I have to disagree with you on this one American agencies failed to monitor some of the MIT students who became radicalized and recruited for their expertise to help with sophisticated and complex plans of mass casualties in America and beyond

Aafia belongs in some other thread for discussion, not here, but suffice to say she is exactly where she needs to be, and she will die there. End of story for her.

I am not questioning the right to seek American help and approval to release Imran Khan but I am wondering how PTI can keep a straight face by justifying American intervention for Imran's person but criticizing GHQ, Noon league and PPP for doing the same.

Agreed 100%. IK came to power as a preferred pawn, just like those IK's supporters hate. IK was removed from power like a discarded pawn, just like those IK's supporters hate. IK and his minions are now begging for US support, after all the rhetoric and vitriol against them, also like all those other fools.

You are correct: there is simply no way for PTI jiyalas to pretend that they, or their leader, are any different than the other side. They are ALL the SAME: hungry for power, arrogant when they are in power, and pathetic losers when they are not.

 

[Jango007]

Aafia belongs in some other thread for discussion, not here, but suffice to say she is exactly where she needs to be, and she will die there. End of story for her.



Agreed 100%. IK came to power as a preferred pawn, just like those IK's supporters hate. IK was removed from power like a discarded pawn, just like those IK's supporters hate. IK and his minions are now begging for US support, after all the rhetoric and vitriol against them, also like all those other fools.

You are correct: there is simply no way for PTI jiyalas to pretend that they, or their leader, are any different than the other side. They are ALL the SAME: hungry for power, arrogant when they are in power, and pathetic losers when they are not.

Correct all leaders are the same....except IK....could you help me find any corruption allegation against IK?

Penthouse pirates: former PM of Pakistan amasses vast property empire

The address could not be swankier. Avenfield House lies in the heart of Mayfair, near the top of Park Lane, with a view of Hyde Park. It is a fraction of a London property empire owned by Sharif's family.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ik has already declared to donate everything he has to charities after his death.....What are NS and Zardari doing?

Here is my problem with all the idiotic comments I am reading and holding back....There is an army chap harping about all is well...they are all bad so this system is the best one can get in Pakistan....Typical army nonsense.

Patwaris here are too busy pointing out IK did what their daddies did so he deserved what he got.

Here is the problem though .....Mian Sane and Benazir always got removed on personal corruption allegations not because they refuse to bow down to America.....IK is the only one removed by corrupt generals because the order came straight from America not because of any personal corruption accusations...


There is no moral equivalence between IK's reason of removal was and what happened to Main Samp and PPP...

 

[VCheng]

.IK is the only one removed by corrupt generals because the order came straight from America

No, IK made that claim that the "order" came from America, and it was a LIE.

 

[Jango007]

No, IK made that claim that the "order" came from America, and it was a LIE.

Correct ....You know better because Mian sane told you....

IK was not perfect and he made terrible political mistakes and I will be first one to say that.
BUT if army brought him to power then whose behalf he was making these appointments of corrupt ministers??
It was obvious after May 09 all these cockroaches joined army sponsored press conferences....yes it wasn't obvious what was going on at all.

 

[alphapak]

I wont bring the kids of Afia siddiqui but herself who left her pakistani husband for an Al Qaeda inner circle guy? Americans dont have unlimited resources or time to waste time on "innocent" people... they will just bomb them as collateral. she was indeed involved in the nerve gas against Subway in America.

She was kidnapped from Karachi by ISI goons and handed over along with her 3
children for 55k dollars.

If she was an al qaeda operative then try her in Pakistani courts, at least let her
defend herself.

Problem with you f@ujeets is that you just chuck allegations on people and get
rid of them. You don't even give the other person a chance to defend themselves
but Allah is watching these firowns and their supporters. They will get the Zia UI
Haq treatment sooner or later.