Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[r3alist]

I noticed hardly any discussion on this thread now?no more hoping and believing in white Knight armies to save the day? No more theories about future events?

Dark times ahead.

Israel has not only exposed the Arab states it has also exposed the general inaction of all Muslims, 2 billion.

Ofcourse there is hope if you choose understand the situation and form a strategy. You might find if you start lamenting that's all you will know what to do.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

I noticed hardly any discussion on this thread now?no more hoping and believing in white Knight armies to save the day? No more theories about future events?

Dark times ahead.

Israel has not only exposed the Arab states it has also exposed the general inaction of all Muslims, 2 billion.

Ofcourse there is hope if you choose understand the situation and form a strategy. You might find if you start lamenting that's all you will know what to do.

I don't understand where you get the idea that all Muslims around the world will come together because of Gaza? It's like me saying that all Christians (2.4 billion) would help Brazil just because it was attacked by, let's say, a Muslim country.

The world doesn't work that way. Only religious fanatics believe that countries should unite based on religious beliefs. In the 21st century nobody follows such things anymore, especially developed countries including Gulf states.

 

[tsunset]

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[tsunset]

I don't understand where you get the idea that all Muslims around the world will come together because of Gaza? It's like me saying that all Christians (2.4 billion) would help Brazil just because it was attacked by, let's say, a Muslim country.

The world doesn't work that way. Only religious fanatics believe that countries should unite based on religious beliefs. In the 21st century nobody follows such things anymore, especially developed countries including Gulf states.

You are projecting the failure of Christianity over the course of the last centuries on Islam

This is exactly the problem that people like you and western medias are not able to understand since decades

 

[r3alist]

I don't understand where you get the idea that all Muslims around the world will come together because of Gaza? It's like me saying that all Christians (2.4 billion) would help Brazil just because it was attacked by, let's say, a Muslim country.

The world doesn't work that way. Only religious fanatics believe that countries should unite based on religious beliefs. In the 21st century nobody follows such things anymore, especially developed countries including Gulf states.

I never had that idea.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

You are projecting the failure of Christianity over the course of the last centuries on Islam

This is exactly the problem that people like you and western medias are not able to understand since decades

I am not religious and if someone were to attack Brazil today (Christian country) I wouldn't care at all. But you live in some alternative world where you think one religion will unite and take over the entire world. That might have worked 1500 years ago, but today, nobody thinks that way except underdeveloped countries where there are no job opportunities and then they only think about faith and how to harm others.

Gulf states will probably team up with Israel instead. Why do you think that is? Because progress and development matter way more in the 21st century. Once Hamas is out of the picture, it'll just fade into the background.

 

[r3alist]

You are projecting the failure of Christianity over the course of the last centuries on Islam

This is exactly the problem that people like you and western medias are not able to understand since decades

The west willingly discarded Christianity a long time ago, what you say doesn't really make sense

I just said in a post above be grounded in reality, right now we are in the nation state reality, who therefore has e failing

 

[Developereo]

I don't understand where you get the idea that all Muslims around the world will come together because of Gaza? It's like me saying that all Christians (2.4 billion) would help Brazil just because it was attacked by, let's say, a Muslim country.

The world doesn't work that way. Only religious fanatics believe that countries should unite based on religious beliefs. In the 21st century nobody follows such things anymore, especially developed countries including Gulf states.

Let's say you were vegetarian. If someone started killing vegetarians simply because they were vegetarian, would you support the victims?

Let's say you loved classical music. If someone started killing classical music lovers simply because they loved classical music, would you support the victims?

This situation is no different. It is Israel who declared that religion was the deciding factor to evict and then kill people living in Palestine. The choice to make this a religious conflict was made by Israel not the victims.

 

[UKBengali]

I am not religious and if someone were to attack Brazil today (Christian country) I wouldn't care at all. But you live in some alternative world where you think one religion will unite and take over the entire world. That might have worked 1500 years ago, but today, nobody thinks that way except underdeveloped countries where there are no job opportunities and then they only think about faith and how to harm others.

Gulf states will probably team up with Israel instead. Why do you think that is? Because progress and development matter way more in the 21st century. Once Hamas is out of the picture, it'll just fade into the background.

Your theory would have some basis if the Gulf States were real developed countries with high education, industry and a representative government.

Buddy you simply do not understand the mindset of the common Muslim.

Once the Muslim countries are developed enough with real representative governments then expect a Muslim military coalition along the lines of Nato to one day form.

Just think why the western countries are all on the same page - a common culture, racial heritage and developed status means that they all care for each other. Even a western country that is not in Nato like Finland would get economic and military help to fend off a military attack by a country that was not part of the west.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

Let's say you were vegetarian. If someone started killing vegetarians simply because they were vegetarian, would you support the victims?

Let's say you loved classical music. If someone started killing classical music lovers simply because they loved classical music, would you support the victims?

This situation is no different. It is Israel who declared that religion was the deciding factor to evict and then kill people living in Palestine. The choice to make this a religious conflict was made by Israel not the victims.

Stupid comparison. The situation is absolutely different, and significantly so. Your assertion would only hold true if Israel intentionally bombed exclusively innocent people. However, it's the opposite Israel targets Hamas which is the main reason we have the war in Gaza now because of Hamas and not Palestinians.

That's a crucial distinction you didn't mention in your case. Most casualties on the Palestinian side are due to Hamas intentionally hiding among the civilian population. We can have a serious conversation if you'd like, not one based on emotions. I know it's a sensitive topic but facts are facts.

 

[Developereo]

Stupid comparison.

The comparison is entirely apt and you running away proves my point.
That's OK.
Evading a question is itself the most eloquent answer sometimes.

This conflict did not start on October 7th. It started decades ago when Israel evicted Palestinians because of their religion

The situation is absolutely different, and significantly so. Your assertion would only hold true if Israel intentionally bombed exclusively innocent people. However, it's the opposite Israel targets Hamas which is the main reason we have the war in Gaza now because of Hamas and not Palestinians.

That's a crucial distinction you didn't mention in your case. Most casualties on the Palestinian side are due to Hamas intentionally hiding among the civilian population. We can have a serious conversation if you'd like, not one based on emotions. I know it's a sensitive topic but facts are facts.

Your desperate foray into a completely unrelated angle shows your desperation to avoid the question. Israel is deliberately using indiscriminate bombing tactics in densely populated areas.

https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html

Weapons and warfare experts blame the extensive use of heavy munitions such as the 2,000-pound bomb for the soaring death toll. The population of Gaza is packed together much more tightly than almost anywhere else on earth, so the use of such heavy munitions has a profound effect.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

The comparison is entirely apt and you running away proves my point.
That's OK.
Evading a question is itself the most eloquent answer sometimes.

This conflict did not start on October 7th. It started decades ago when Israel evicted Palestinians because of their religion



Your desperate foray into a completely unrelated angle shows your desperation to avoid the question. Israel is deliberately using indiscriminate bombing tactics in densely populated areas.

https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html

Weapons and warfare experts blame the extensive use of heavy munitions such as the 2,000-pound bomb for the soaring death toll. The population of Gaza is packed together much more tightly than almost anywhere else on earth, so the use of such heavy munitions has a profound effect.

Nobody is avoiding the conversation. The fact is both of your examples about vegetarians and classical music enthusiasts are poor because you're actually claiming that Israel is deliberately killing only innocent people which is far from the truth. If Hamas didn't hide among civilians the situation would be completely different.

 

[Developereo]

Nobody is avoiding the conversation. The fact is both of your examples about vegetarians and classical music enthusiasts are poor because you're actually claiming that Israel is deliberately killing only innocent people which is far from the truth. If Hamas didn't hide among civilians the situation would be completely different.

The question here is not just about the Gaza killings but the core conflict itself. As I mentioned, this conflict did not start on October 7th.

When Israel was created, and even before it was officially created, the choice of which people to evict was based on religion, and this choice was made by Israel.

So my question remains. If Israel had said "all vegetarians must leave" or "all classical music lovers must leave", how would it be any different than saying "all non Jews must leave"?

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

Your theory would have some basis if the Gulf States were real developed countries with high education, industry and a representative government.

Buddy you simply do not understand the mindset of the common Muslim.

Once the Muslim countries are developed enough with real representative governments then expect a Muslim military coalition along the lines of Nato to one day form.

Just think why the western countries are all on the same page - a common culture, racial heritage and developed status means that they all care for each other. Even a western country that is not in Nato like Finland would get economic and military help to fend off a military attack by a country that was not part of the west.

Maybe, but military alliances won't be based on religion (like you wish) but rather on geography. The same goes for NATO. If your statement were correct Turkey wouldn't be in NATO today because it's a Muslim country. I understand the events well and know what you're trying to say and what you desire most. That the whole world will follow Islam, which will never happen, of course. Thank God (not pun intended).

Besides, you're basically claiming that Persians and Arabs will one day unite. It will be quite some time before that happens. And who says the world will be divided based on religions? What about race? Or something else? What you're talking about is purely and solely your dreams.

 

[Get Ya Wig Split]

The question here is not just about the Gaza killings but the core conflict itself. As I mentioned, this conflict did not start on October 7th.

When Israel was created, and even before it was officially created, the choice of which people to evict was based on religion, and this choice was made by Israel.

So my question remains. If Israel had said "all vegetarians must leave" or "all classical music lovers must leave", how would it be any different than saying "all non Jews must leave"?

Just like Israel wasn't established 75 years ago but has been on this land for 3000 years. The only reason Israel is "only 75" years old is because 3000 years ago they didn't have the United Nations or international organizations that could have granted Israel the status of a state.

So I don't take seriously people who start telling me that "Israel has only been on this land for 75 years"... that's just a plain lie.