Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

Ali_Baba said:
Interesting that the WZ-10ME is not shown with the MMW at its induction ceremony. Given that the helicopter was armed with different types of munitions during this 'show and tell', it does suggest that the PAA did not go for the MMW kit.

I am sure there will be a flurry of people here suggesting that they did purchase it and decided to "not install it". Well they went to hassle of installing various types of missiles and rockets to show the capability of the platform, so why wouldn't they do something that "only takes 20mins to install the MMW" as has been suggested by people here ?

PAA may have decided to not go for the MMW and solve that problem using sensors of drones and the Link-17 tactical link to provide that information, thereby looking to keep the platform stealthy by not emitting radar signals that can be used to locate its presence.
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Gud hogaya u do know those CMs use MMW seeker which needs pre fed data right ?
 
Im glad Pakistanis rejected Z-10 in 2016 that earlier model it had an under powered engine and various other list of other shortcomings. Now this updated one has more powerful engine now hence more weapons loads, better armour and overall performance.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Interesting that the WZ-10ME is not shown with the MMW at its induction ceremony. Given that the helicopter was armed with different types of munitions during this 'show and tell', it does suggest that the PAA did not go for the MMW kit.

I am sure there will be a flurry of people here suggesting that they did purchase it and decided to "not install it". Well they went to hassle of installing various types of missiles and rockets to show the capability of the platform, so why wouldn't they do something that "only takes 20mins to install the MMW" as has been suggested by people here ?

PAA may have decided to not go for the MMW and solve that problem using sensors of drones and the Link-17 tactical link to provide that information.
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I'm guessing here but maybe the missiles, rockets etc were needed for the live fire demo?
We have to wait for sources to confirm the MMW, otherwise we are all guessing.
 
ghazi52 said:
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Very interesting that the "Label" on the T-Shirts of the Chinese experts says "K2 Project". Maybe that is the name of the development and procurement project as Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation refers to it !!!
 
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Michael said:
The biggest and central problem with the older version of the Z-10 was its underpowered engine. As for the other problems, they are just table talk.

With flying machines, power issues affect everything. When underpowered, you have to reduce the weight of the craft itself as much as possible. In the case of Thus, a lot of things must This creates a lot of additional problems. When the power is strong enough, many of the problems cease to be problems.

For the Pakistan Army right now, the Z-10ME is a no other way option. If they had any other choice, they still wouldn't choose the Z-10ME.
For China, it's just business. Nothing more.
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PLAGF stopped procuring the Z-10 a long time ago. now the new production Z-10ME2 (PLAGF's self-use version) is also mainly used to replace and update the earlier Z-10/Z-19. it's total number of helicopters in service hasn't changed much. the helicopters that PLAGF has procured in additional numbers have been in the Z-20 family.

In PLAGF's current concept of operations, a helicopter gunship of the class of the Z-10 has been marginalized. It still has some use, but not much.

PLAGF is currently in the process of reforming the Army Air Corps. In the future, the Army Air Corps will no longer exist on its own; in its place will be the Air Assault Brigade. ------ You can think of it simply as a combination of the Land Air Corps and Special Forces.

Under this operational concept, the Z-10ME2 is hardly up to the tactical task in question. Concept of the helicopter. The future Z-21 is the perfect product of this operational concept. (The current Air Assault Brigade still utilizes the Z-10ME2/Z-20T for this purpose.)
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Earlier Z10 wasn't build for Pakistan requirements and conditions that is why Pakistan had to chose other options
But when Pakistan requested changes in Z10 and more development in helicopter
China worked on that and made it according to Pakistan needs.
So that's why Pakistan finally got happy with the machine.
Because when it comes to defense you need to think about many details of the equipment which suits your requirements and environments.
The day china provided the required and wished machine
We Pakistanis opted for it like other equipments.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Very interesting that the "Label" on the T-Shirts of the Chinese experts says "K2 Project". Maybe that is the name of the project as Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation refers to it !!!
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Probably , during the earlier trials in northern areas it was found lacking in performance at high altitudes.... hence the new version is dubbed as k2 project.
 
I have a question will these choppers be able to launch kamikaze drones like let's say mini Sarkash with 500km range,
Each hardpoint would be carrying 2 of these missiles total external weight carrying capacity of Z10ME is 1500kg, total 8 of these missiles per chopper.
India tries it's shannigans against us, PAF fights in the air while these choppers equipped with Sarkash will can do relentless barrage of missiles, F Series of batteries on the ground along blaze and Sarkash Ground launched batteries, the drone force, this would pack enough firepower that PAF wouldn't need to involve itself on Air to ground front, theoretically it would allow the PAF to take on A2A and DEAD/SEAD ops.
30 Z10 MEs = 240 missiles single volley, quick reload advantage,
50 F1 GMLRS launchers = 400 missiles in one volley.
Imagine the havoc it could cause among indians, the Choppers could quickly reload and pop up launch missiles. They wouldn't be needing any bases remote locations can be prepared in mints,
I refuse to believe Z10ME is just for Anti armour purposes or anti fortifications.
@Panzerkiel Sir ur thoughts on this.
 
Scorpio said:
Information from web is .. that's they still in storage.. not handed over to any other party ..

The AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters ordered by Pakistan are still located at the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (AMARG) at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona..

These helicopters, part of a 2016 contract, were not delivered due to a suspension of US security assistance to Pakistan. A total of nine are stored there, while three others are in an unknown location.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Contract and Order:
    Pakistan ordered 12 AH-1Z Viper helicopters from the US in 2016.

  • Storage Location:
    The helicopters are stored at AMARG, also known as the "boneyard," at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson, Arizona.

  • Reasons for Non-Delivery:
    The US halted security assistance to Pakistan in 2018, leading to the suspension of helicopter deliveries.

  • Current Status:
    As of 2019, all nine Vipers at AMARG were being preserved with protective coatings.

  • Additional Helicopters:
    Three more AH-1Zs, part of the original order, are in an unconfirmed location,

www.keymilitary.com

Nine Pakistan AH-1Zs now stored in AMARG

A TOTAL of nine Bell AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters ordered by...
www.keymilitary.com www.keymilitary.com
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Has Pakistan already paid for these birds, like the F-16s during Benazir time, or not, or are they being financed from the CSF ??
 
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