PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion
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Ali_Baba
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This approach creates a chicken and egg scenario for the export of Chinese weapons systems. If China wants to develop a weapons export industry, then it needs to work out an effective approach. Maybe the reason why Chinese weapons exports are so low, are precisely because of the approach you have articulated ?
It is the strategic interest military/political and industrial interest of China to undermine the weapons industry of the USA by reducing its export sales, and in doing so, increase the cost of weapons developments cost for the USA itself. This will lead to fewer units that the USA can purchase of any system of its own systems as the economic model of many of the USA systems are predicated on export sales to lower costs. Export sales of weapons lowers the cost of those systems for the manufacturing country, in this case the USA.
Michael
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There is some misunderstanding here ......
The planning and restructuring of Guizhou's aerospace industry is still underway, and the attribution of many companies is still being adjusted.
But, Guizhou Aircraft Co., Ltd.(贵州飞机有限责任公司) is already fully owned by Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group(CAC). ------100% ownership to be completed by May 2022.
CAC transferred production of the J-10CE to the company. The development of the J-10CE is still retained by CAC's Design Research Institute. ------ Sources indicate that CAC's Design Research Institute may become independent from CAC and become a first-tier sub-company of AVIC, under the direct management of AVIC's headquarters.
China Guizhou Aviation Industry (Group) Company Limited(中国贵州航空工业集团) is another enterprise.
LX1111
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We don't have many customers to sell to.
For example，Saudi Arabia bought 84 F-15SAs and Qatar bought 36 F-15QA
These orders can help share the R&D and manufacturing costs of the F-15EX.
But we don’t have enough customers to buy so many aircraft. Pakistan has only purchased 20 J-10
we receive orders in the future may only be a few sporadic ones.
LX1111
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611 will not be separated to develop J10C
It is estimated that subsequent J10C design improvements will be given to 648
648 has designed JL-7,JL-9 and FTC2000G ,Improving J10C is not a problem
AVIC cannot let Guifei die in Anshun
The future ,J10C will definitely for Guizhou
LX1111
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Do you mean that the 132 factory design department should be separated and set up as a unit on the same level as 611?
Michael
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The relationship between CAC and 611 is complex. The relationship between them has changed many times during their development. When I visited the CAC headquarters before, their own people couldn't say anything about these relationships.
But people here are not interested in this topic.
Guizhou Province is in the process of restructuring all aviation industry-related enterprises. The relevant work is still in progress. So I can't say too much for now.
The general direction of Guizhou's overall aviation industry is likely to be: aero engines, drones, civil aircraft ...... The core is AECC and CAIGA's related industries in Guizhou.
J-10CE is not their main industry.
Scorpio
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Pakistan will definitely add more J10CE ..
If followup order not placed yet.... then funds can be only reason.... once some repayments are made .. definitely follow up order will placed ..
Hakikat ve Hikmet
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CEOs like Steve Jobs used to fire the folks while being inside an elevator for they failed to answer the questions to his satisfaction! We take courses, based on a Stanford professor's findings, to provide a damn fast YES/NO answers to complex questions....China will not need single engine jets going forward. Their doctrine is based on twin engine jets due to required range, war theaters and tactics. J-10C will remain in Chinese service for littoral defense and internal CAPs.
There is no "water down" of the J-20 and J-35, in fact, more capability will be built and enhancements done. The competition is with F-35, F-22 and NGAD like platforms. Water down means you lose.
Russia is a big NUKE power ONLY. It's situation and China's situations have no comparison. I think if there ever was an even competitor in American history, it's China.
It's not the case. I can say this with 1000% confidence and "with experience". CEO's and their Executive Teams are not Chat GPT's that you ask a question and it throws out an answer in 5 seconds. People are also not fired for not being Chat GPT fast
In fact, I've personally witnessed 3/4/5 meetings getting postponed on ONE issue because the details presented couldn't answer or address the situation properly. So the CEO's said "let's meet again and do some more home work".
This also gets into India - Trump situation. India will beg Trump for forgiveness. May be in private, why? Indians are good at work execution. US needs that skillset in labor and pays top dollars. Indians will never want to lose such a lucrative high paying market worth hundreds of billions annually, whether they work in America or from India. The forgiveness for mistakes is a lot.
Indian executives work for a few years, make 2/3 "expensive" mistakes, and when they leave, they already have 2 companies running in India and US, often with the same product set that fits into one of their employer's product set. How smart?
LX1111
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I do not recommend Pakistan to buy more J10C, the military expenditure should be spent on its shortcomings, for example, buying KJ500, buying more air defense systems
Next time there is a conflict, India will attack the airport with a large number of BrahMos
Building a complete air defense system is crucial
Of course, don't forget to prepare enough quick-drying cement and prefabricated steel plates.
9 aew is PLENTY.
corven
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Damn the three-word limit 当年cd还在的时候就有这个说法了，又不是第一天的。
LX1111
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For missiles like BrahMos,Saab AWACS is difficult to play its due role
The detection range of ground radar for this Low altitude supersonicmissile is no more than 70 km. interception window not exceed 10S
.The most effective way to counter BrahMos missiles is AWACS guided HQ9,
That is CEC，this is USA solution solve USSR hypersonic missiles,Similar to China,
E2D guides Sm-6.Saab AWACS cannot guide Chinese missiles，Unable to intercept BrahMos
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corven
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You don't need to explain this. They have always believed that it was their Swedish AWACS that guided the PL-15. I think this statement is a joke. But they thought it was true. You're wasting your breath. Did you see what Michael said about this?
Pakistan Space Agency
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Can they cover the entirety of Pakistan at any given time 24/7?
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