Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Falcon29]

I remember when Fonikas was calling this a civilian ambulance on the old forum

Poor guy didn't get enough attention from his mother growing up. He's a reject in his country ironically Hamas would treat him a lot better and actually help him get purpose in life and heal lol

 

[Falcon29]

Wow. They backtracked in the same day.

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[Persian Gulf]

No man,this was a coordinated effort by Hamas and groups similar to their ideology. It was an operation they planned together. It's over,there can be no apologist posts on behalf of such people,just as there can't be any excuse for Netanyahu's warmongering genocidal government. They both caused misery to the Palestinian people.

That is not true. We saw letters leaked detailing the military strategy. Do you think it is sheer luck that they attacked and broke through 16 points of the Gaza fence simultaneously? That they reached all the biggest IDF military bases near Gaza and overrun them all? This was a sophisticated military operation and it was executed well.

Then either the thousands of random Palestinians who jubilantly also crossed into Gaza committed crimes and took hostages, or the militants had more success than they anticipated, and succumbed to their worst influences and committed crimes. But that doesn't mean the original operation was not a clearly military operation.

Even the civilians taken hostage by Hamas and other groups (wrongfully) were by all accounts treated well and released quickly. Can't say the same for the 20,000+ Palestinians taken hostage and kept in Israeli torture and rape camps, including doctors of hospitals in Gaza.

Any in any event, the scale of the horrors being perpetrated on the Palestinians now makes any suffering by the few hundred impacted Israeli civilians pale in comparison.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Hamas is responsible for snatching part of what little is coming through and hoarding it.

I don't buy this Israeli narrative.

We know that Israel purposefully targeted Hamas civil police officers. And we know they backed terrorist clans to assume the power vacuum. We have seen videos of these clans looting aid.

I haven't seen any evidence that Hamas has been looting aid, and this has even been refuted in Western sources in recent days. This is a poor excuse to justify Israel's use of starvation as a weapon of war and its intentional attempts to introduce anarchy into Gaza to further its goal of ethnic cleansing all Palestinians from Gaza (and the West Bank and eventually probably within Israel too).

 

[Persian Gulf]

Hamas had a little respect for the enemy -- in that it thought the enemy would fight man to man -- even with odds still overwhelmingly against Hamas -- they were surprised to see Jews are a terror Mafia that specialize in annihilating entire civilian populations

Now Hamas knows how the Jewish people fight. And so do Hezbollah, Syrians, and everyone else that has been watching for the past two years -- and they're preparing accordingly.

Iran learned quickly and immediately fired ballistic missiles into the heart of Tel Aviv.

It is only a shame that Israel was successful in suppressing the entrances to Iran's major SSM bases in West Iran and was able to retain air superiority before Iran could restore air defences so that Iran couldn't fire more missiles at their buildings in Tel Aviv.

 

[Falcon29]

If you look at this as a neutral observer, Hamas is in the process of achieving it's long term strategic goals of the operation.

Israel is a global pariah and considered a rogue state. Israel went extreme far right it's irreversible now. Israel attacked Lebanon, Iran, and even new government in Syria. Angering the Saudis and Saudi led axis.

The people of the region have been watching the last two years and they're definitely planning behind the scenes for an entirely new reality. They're preparing for worst case scenarios rather than limited skirmishes. All their defenses and offensive measures will be drastically improved and their calculations entirely redone.

Had Netanyahu stopped 5 months ago, it's possible Hamas government in Gaza would have collapsed and people of Gaza would have forced them out of government.

Instead he's now ordering a full scale occupation of Gaza. And rumors he will attack Lebanon again in August/September.

World will declare two state solution push in September. It's yet to be seen how Israel and Trump administration react ?

Syria certainly doesn't trust Israel now after the Israeli bombings on Damascus and Suwayda. As well as US tariffs of 40% on Syria and refused to remove sanctions still.

Egypt is getting paranoid about Sinai and Gaza situation and will seek to upgrade its Air Force and militarize Sinai more.

Iran crossed point of war with Israel and is now likely strategizing for the 'new middle east' that Netanyahu called it.

Netanyahu is bringing down Israel. It's like he and his government have a death wish to bring about their Messiah.

 

[Falcon29]

Iran learned quickly and immediately fired ballistic missiles into the heart of Tel Aviv.

It is only a shame that Israel was successful in suppressing the entrances to Iran's major SSM bases in West Iran and was able to retain air superiority before Iran could restore air defences so that Iran couldn't fire more missiles at their buildings in Tel Aviv.

That's what I loved about Iran. They weren't messing around when they told Israel to stop targeting television centers, hospitals and Universities or else they'd hit them back. It was very nice to see heart of Tel Aviv and Beer Sheeva military hospital hit in response to Israel's targeting of civilian facilities in Iran .

 

[Foinikas]

remember when Fonikas was calling this a civilian ambulance on the old forum

Poor guy didn't get enough attention from his mother growing up. He's a reject in his country ironically Hamas would treat him a lot better and actually help him get purpose in life and heal lol

1. I never mentioned this car. Not even this video. Stop lying. Go find my post if I did and quote it here. It would only be a few pages back. If you can't,apologize for making a mistake and calling my a liar constantly.
2. Don't you EVER talk or mention my mother again.
3. Don't assume you know me.

I don't buy this Israeli narrative.

Bro,it's the Palestinian granny who said that on video,not Israelis. Forget the Israelis. They show footage,ok. It could be armed gangs and local criminals. It could also be Hamas. The problem is not the tiny help that does get through and is not enough to keep a family alive for 2 weeks,the problem is the Israeli blockade and forced starvation. I'm pointing this out too though,because a few people are adoring Hamas as some kind of benevolent,sweet knights. And that's not the case.

 

[Persian Gulf]

That's what I loved about Iran. They weren't messing around when they told Israel to stop targeting television centers, hospitals and Universities or else they'd hit them back. It was very nice to see heart of Tel Aviv and Beer Sheeva military hospital hit in response to Israel's targeting of civilian facilities in Iran .

Soroka hospital:

"At least 80 people were injured when a ballistic missile with a large explosive warhead slammed into the hospital’s surgical ward, destroying it and causing widespread destruction to nearby buildings, the medical center said."

After devastating Iran strike, Soroka hospital closes to new patients, clears out wards

Health Ministry instructs hospital directors across Israel to minimize number of patients, discharge women soon after childbirth, over fears other medical centers may be targeted

www.timesofisrael.com

Weizmann institute:

"Iran has also devastated a top Israeli science institution, the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot. On 15 June, retaliatory missile strikes by Iran caused catastrophic damage to two major campus structures: a facility to house chemistry and material science labs that was scheduled to open this year and an existing building devoted to life and computational sciences. Hundreds of scientists at the university in Rehovot have lost a year or more of work in the rubble."

https://www.science.org/content/article/iranian-missile-strike-devastates-two-buildings-israel-s-weizmann-institute

42 story Da Vinci North Tower, Tel Aviv:

"CTBUH has confirmed that a ballistic missile struck the lower floors of the Da Vinci North Tower in Tel Aviv, as conflict in the region escalated over the past week. The 42-story building is connected to a podium where another twin building is located on the south end of the complex, which was completed in 2023.

The strike has caused extensive structural and infrastructural damage and the building is now evacuated due to critical areas of the building being compromised."

CTBUH Award-Winning Complex Located in Tel Aviv is Hit with Missile - Council on Vertical Urbanism

CTBUH has confirmed that a ballistic missile struck the lower floors of the Da Vinci North Tower in Tel Aviv, as conflic...

www.ctbuh.org

Haifa oil refinery:

"All operations at the Bazan Group’s oil refinery in Haifa Bay were shut down after an Iranian missile that strike overnight killed three people and caused significant damage to the facility’s power infrastructure, the company said Monday.

“As a result of damage to the facilities, the power plant was significantly damaged, and therefore all of the refinery’s and subsidiary companies’ facilities were shut down,” Bazan Group said in a statement to the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange, according to the Israeli newspaper The Times of Israel."

All refinery facilities at Haifa oil refinery shut down following Iranian missile strike

Iranian missiles hit Bazan oil refinery complex in Haifa late Sunday, causing damage to pipelines and transmission lines - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Persian Gulf]

Bro,it's the Palestinian granny who said that on video,not Israelis. Forget the Israelis. They show footage,ok. It could be armed gangs and local criminals. It could also be Hamas. The problem is not the tiny help that does get through and is not enough to keep a family alive for 2 weeks,the problem is the Israeli blockade and forced starvation. I'm pointing this out too though,because a few people are adoring Hamas as some kind of benevolent,sweet knights. And that's not the case.

Most of the terrorist incidents you showed seemed to be PIJ rather than Hamas?

No party in this conflict has clean hands. But I can't blame the Palestinians for how they lash out after Israel humiliates and oppresses them on a daily basis for 70+ years and 'mows the lawn' (slaughters a few thousand Palestinians) every few years even before October 7th.

 

[Falcon29]

Yahya Sinwar transformed Hamas and made the most out of its military wing.

Hamas after Sinwar assumed great influence began using its military tools very effectively.

The pyschogical impact on Israel can't be understated. They basically went Full Nazi which will guarantee their implosion. Sinwar knew their pysche well.

It started with Sinwar overseeing a program to win over collobarators in Gaza. Many were forgiven and traded themselves in in exchange for amnesty. But they also began working with Hamas helping Hamas figure out what Israel is up to inside of Gaza. And Hamas would send them to Israel as workers to collect intelligence on what Israeli intelligence questioning of Palestinians (what they're trying to find out about Hamas) and also they fed Hamas intelligence on Israeli deployments around Gaza.

Hamas fighters accidentally uncovered a Israeli undercover cell in Gaza in 2019.

Then in 2021 was the turning point with operation Sayf Al Quds which caught Israel off guard and embarrassed their right wing government.

Then the big one was Toofan Al-Aqsa which shook the region and changed the face of it. They weren't expecting Hamas to attempt that and certainly not succeed in that. Neither were Palestinains. It came as a total surprise by the military genius and strategist Yahya Sinwar. That likely dealt the death blow to Israel, we are witnessing it in real time. Nobody here can tell you what Israel will look like in 5 years. Or in what state it will be in. For the first time in decades it's unpredictable.

And for first time in decades Israel is uncertain about its future. Because of the preemptive and sudden Toofan Al-Aqsa strike. Israel worries something like that could happen from any of its other borders and with many more numbers of fighters. And if something like that happens as a sudden surprise from Syria or other directions, or all at once, Israeli government and military could actually collapse.

At that point it's possible the US attempts a coast invasion of Palestine and maybe northern Egypt to try salvaging what's left of the Israeli security apparatus.

 

[Foinikas]

Do you think it is sheer luck that they attacked and broke through 16 points of the Gaza fence simultaneously? That they reached all the biggest IDF military bases near Gaza and overrun them all? This was a sophisticated military operation and it was executed well.

That's what I'm telling you,they were coordinated. Why do you disagree with me on that,that's what I said. And that's why there wasn't any random people spreading out of Gaza and storming the kibbutzim or towns. It was all coordinated between Hamas and other groups. That's why it makes them even more responsible.

Then either the thousands of random Palestinians who jubilantly also crossed into Gaza committed crimes and took hostages,

That's impossible. The whole thing was under Hamas and they couldn't get out without their authorization. Plus,these were well-equipped armed men.

But that doesn't mean the original operation was not a clearly military operation.

It was both. It hit military bases AND civilian areas. And Hamas is of that ideology. You can't tell me that groups like Hamas and PIJ,who constantly threaten Jews,all of a sudden went straight to civilian areas by mistake. And if they go to a town and fight a police station or a military base,you can say ok,it was a military target. But when they go inside a kibbutz,what are they looking for? They were breaking inside houses and shops.

Even the civilians taken hostage by Hamas and other groups (wrongfully) were by all accounts treated well and released quickly.

But here's the thing: Not all. Some talked about sexual abuse. Others didn't paint their captivity with the brightest words. And the others were of course either pulverized by Netanyahu's war or executed/died in the hands of Hamas. Of course that also shows how uninterested Netanyahu is when it comes to the hostages and that for him they are only pawns that gave him the excuse to "press on until all hostages are released". Not that he would stop the war even if Hamas released them all.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yahya Sinwar transformed Hamas and made the most out of its military wing.

Hamas after Sinwar assumed great influence began using its military tools very effectively.

The pyschogical impact on Israel can't be understated. They basically went Full Nazi which will guarantee their implosion. Sinwar knew their pysche well.

It started with Sinwar overseeing a program to win over collobarators in Gaza. Many were forgiven and traded themselves in in exchange for amnesty. But they also began working with Hamas helping Hamas figure out what Israel is up to inside of Gaza. And Hamas would send them to Israel as workers to collect intelligence on what Israeli intelligence questioning of Palestinians (what they're trying to find out about Hamas) and also they fed Hamas intelligence on Israeli deployments around Gaza.

Hamas fighters accidentally uncovered a Israeli undercover cell in Gaza in 2019.

Then in 2021 was the turning point with operation Sayf Al Quds which caught Israel off guard and embarrassed their right wing government.

Then the big one was Toofan Al-Aqsa which shook the region and changed the face of it. They weren't expecting Hamas to attempt that and certainly not succeed in that. Neither were Palestinains. It came as a total surprise by the military genius and strategist Yahya Sinwar. That likely dealt the death blow to Israel, we are witnessing it in real time. Nobody here can tell you what Israel will look like in 5 years. Or in what state it will be in. For the first time in decades it's unpredictable.

And for first time in decades Israel is uncertain about its future. Because of the preemptive and sudden Toofan Al-Aqsa strike. Israel worries something like that could happen from any of its other borders and with many more numbers of fighters. And if something like that happens as a sudden surprise from Syria or other directions, or all at once, Israeli government and military could actually collapse.

At that point it's possible the US attempts a coast invasion of Palestine and maybe northern Egypt to try salvaging what's left of the Israeli security apparatus.

Considering all the circumstances, to pull off a massive operation like that with such tiny resources and under 24/7 surveillance in a tiny open air prison against such a powerful and well equipped enemy, without letting them detect anything despite all their intelligence capabilities, is incredible.

The logistics, planning and execution that went into that over a period of several years is frankly unbelievable.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel is paranoid. Mostly paranoid of Hamas rehabilitating in Gaza as it thought Gaza border area was very secure. And it suspected any infiltrations would happen from underground. But the truth is Sinwar was a big loss and mastermind of making Hamas militarily effective. Who knows if like minded people will arise.

But Israel is also paranoid of Hezbollah and Daraa Rebels/HTS. Which is why they're trying to demilitarize southern Lebanon and Syria.

Israel may also be paranoid of Egyptian army. We simply can't predict what happens anymore. Severe escalations could explode any second mostly due to Israel's paranoia and region will try developing deterrents by ground invading Israel.

Not lobbing some rockets. Region now knows ground incursions are most effective in stopping Israeli war machine. And that offense is best defense. We aren't going to see passive defensive war doctrines amongst Arabs , Iranians and Turks anymore. They've now realized that's suicidal.

 

[Persian Gulf]

That's what I'm telling you,they were coordinated. Why do you disagree with me on that,that's what I said. And that's why there wasn't any random people spreading out of Gaza and storming the kibbutzim or towns. It was all coordinated between Hamas and other groups. That's why it makes them even more responsible.

That's impossible. The whole thing was under Hamas and they couldn't get out without their authorization. Plus,these were well-equipped armed men.

We saw thousands of random Palestinians enter Israel that day. This is widely documented. We have seen Israel systematically slaughter any Palestinian who entered Israel that day, regardless of whether they took part in any of the combat activities.

I agree that many of the people caught on camera had guns, but they were likely from smaller factions within Gaza. I don't deny many crimes were committed. Taking children and old women hostage was disgusting and stupid. But at least they released them without torturing them. Meanwhile Israel abducts hospital directors and tortures them 24/7 in their torture camps and will never be pressured to release the 20,000 Palestinians they hold indefinitely without charge.

Not to mention that Israel clearly killed a large number of its own people that day in its disorganised and insane response to the events.

It was both. It hit military bases AND civilian areas. And Hamas is of that ideology. You can't tell me that groups like Hamas and PIJ,who constantly threaten Jews,all of a sudden went straight to civilian areas by mistake. And if they go to a town and fight a police station or a military base,you can say ok,it was a military target. But when they go inside a kibbutz,what are they looking for? They were breaking inside houses and shops.

Some went to military bases and others went to civilian areas. I can't say why. I would not dispute that some of them just went to the nearest place and wanted to kill people. But I would not agree that this was the plan from the start. The documents leaked show this was something planned for many years and the way they systematically attacked each IDF base near Gaza was genuinely impressive on an operational level.

But here's the thing: Not all. Some talked about sexual abuse. Others didn't paint their captivity with the brightest words. And the others were of course either pulverized by Netanyahu's war or executed/died in the hands of Hamas. Of course that also shows how uninterested Netanyahu is when it comes to the hostages and that for him they are only pawns that gave him the excuse to "press on until all hostages are released". Not that he would stop the war even if Hamas released them all.

Which ones talked about sexual abuse? I believe only that Noa girl did but she said something insane like 'they looked at me like they wanted to rape me' or 'they didn't even look at me' (I don't remember, I just remember it was unhinged).

The only credible sexual assault allegation I have seen involved the Israeli woman who was paraded around in the back of the truck. That was shameful. But the rest of them have been treated very well, all things considered. And certainly much better than the 20,000 Palestinians are being treated.