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This is Indian logic and they are here to lecture us.

India gets preferential treatment. ✅
India can reap the benefits from all sides. ✅
India can buy oil and weapons from Russia and be an ally of the West. ✅
India can buy weapons from the West. ✅
️If India is not allowed these privileges the West and the US are bad. ❎

Relationship between Pakistan and the US is bad. ✅
Relationship between China and Pakistan is bad. ✅
CPEC is bad for Pakistan. ✅
Western countries cannot sell weapons to Pakistan. ✅
 
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Trump's threats unlikely to break India-Russia ties: NSA Doval visits Moscow today​

Despite sharp warnings and tariff threats from Trump, India appears determined to maintain its strong strategic partnership with Russia. National Security Advisor Ajit Doval’s visit to Moscow on Tuesday aims to reinforce ties amid rising pressure from Washington.​

Trump's threats unlikely to break India-Russia ties: NSA Doval visits Moscow today's threats unlikely to break India-Russia ties: NSA Doval visits Moscow today

NSA Ajit Doval has a storied career. In his days at the Intelligence Bureau, he's been known to go undercover, with various disguises. File image/PTI
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US President Donald Trump’s threats of steep tariffs and pressure over India’s trade with Russia are unlikely to disrupt the enduring strategic partnership between New Delhi and Moscow. National Security Advisor Ajit Doval is scheduled to visit Moscow on Tuesday (August 5) to reinforce bilateral ties amid growing pressure from Washington, The Times of India reported.

“We will act in the best interest of Indian consumers and choose the most cost-effective option available. If Russian crude continues to be more affordable than other sources, there’s no reason to penalise our citizens,” a senior government official told TOI.

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The official also indicated that India may seek deeper discounts from Moscow in response to Trump’s recent remarks.


Doval’s visit is expected to offer clarity on India’s evolving geopolitical strategy as it navigates a complex energy and security landscape shaped by global supply shifts and strategic realignments.


So far, the Centre has shown no intention of scaling back crude oil imports from Russia, which remain significantly cheaper than supplies from West Asia or the United States. This policy has helped keep domestic fuel prices in check while also benefiting European nations that continue to depend on Indian exports of diesel and aviation fuel, sources said.

Jaishankar’s trip also lined up​

External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar is also expected to visit Moscow later this month, The Economic Times reported, with his trip likely to take place around mid-August.

These high-level engagements come in the wake of sharp criticism from Donald Trump, who labelled India and Russia as “dead economies” and announced a 25 per cent tariff on Indian goods, along with penalties for countries maintaining strategic trade ties with Moscow.

Senior Indian officials clarified that the proposed measures are aimed at India’s deepening energy and defence cooperation with Russia. Since the onset of the Ukraine war, Russian crude oil’s share in India’s overall imports has surged from just 0.2 per cent to nearly 40 per cent, making India Russia’s second-largest oil buyer after China.


Keep irritating Trump. We are enjoying it. Expect even heavier tarrif penalties.
 
Please let him be. @RajaBaja, has no intention to discuss any matter with real content.
Few days back he was claiming oil production to start in Pakistan in 2-3 year time, while developed nations take at least 7-8years.
Then he also claimed that Pakistan can start taking orders for the delivery in first quarter of 2026 to the tune of $50b.

He pulls out numbers from a location known only to him.

I pull out numbers from the assessment of professionals.

While you guys pulled out $3.5 trillion dollars from America's hard earned and built economy by merely fraud and lying and misleading promises, promises you never intend to follow through.

That's why the world doesn't trust you beyond money transactions. The dreams of the "UN seat" and a "Soup-of-Pawa" are history because of this fake commitment mindset.

On Pakistan, I've already told you. How tasty the food is, it'll be in the food when its cooked by 2028. If I knew Indian style lying and misspromises, I'll make you believe it'll happen next year. But I don't lie, so we have to wait until 2028. It will be in front of the world, just like Rafale's down, 7-0 and our response on May 10th.
 
This is Indian logic and they are here to lecture us.

India gets preferential treatment. ✅
India can reap the benefits from all sides. ✅
India can buy oil and weapons from Russia and be and ally of the West. ✅
If India is not allowed these privileges the West and the US are bad. ❎

Relationship between Pakistan and the US is bad. ✅
Relationship between China and Pakistan is bad. ✅
CPEC is bad for Pakistan. ✅
Will talk this in coming months - make a permanent note for it... Might next year.
 
This is Indian logic and they are here to lecture us.

India gets preferential treatment. ✅
India can reap the benefits from all sides. ✅
India can buy oil and weapons from Russia and be and ally of the West. ✅
If India is not allowed these privileges the West and the US are bad. ❎

Relationship between Pakistan and the US is bad. ✅
Relationship between China and Pakistan is bad. ✅
CPEC is bad for Pakistan. ✅

Add one more thing: India has space ships full of aliens come in from Mars and Jupiter, offering them to take over these planets and run them because apparently stories of Indian growth, super power status and prosperity have reached there too. I guess they only watch Zee news.
 
I pull out numbers from the assessment of professionals.

While you guys pulled out $3.5 trillion dollars from America's hard earned and built economy by merely fraud and lying and misleading promises, promises you never intend to follow through.

That's why the world doesn't trust you beyond money transactions. The dreams of the "UN seat" and a "Soup-of-Pawa" are history because of this fake commitment mindset.

On Pakistan, I've already told you. How tasty the food is, it'll be in the food when its cooked by 2028. If I knew Indian style lying and misspromises, I'll make you believe it'll happen next year. But I don't lie, so we have to wait until 2028. It will be in front of the world, just like Rafale's down, 7-0 and our response on May 10th.
Must be a highly classified stop professionals who give their repots only to you I guess?

Very credible answer. Now we start believing every word you say.
Bring it on.
 
It's not your concern why I have two Pakistani flags. Don't worry about my finances. I can assure you it can buy your family jewels multiple times. Next time you want to insult, at least graduate from skimming headlines.




@kmc_chacko @SoulSpokesman @koolzberg want to help this old Pakistani find the $1.4 billion profit in these three articles. Because the only profit I seem to have found was a begging bowl request:

did Pakistan negotiated with US for the Trade deal or simply signed as DT told SS to do so, i am asking because there seems to be a confusion in PDF itself about implication of US-Pakistan Trade Deal.

But I assume negotiation has been done by keeping Pakistan's interest first and since Pakistan enjoys better relations & market exposure with China, ME & EU effects might be marginal.
 
You are mistaken. Pakistan won't sign treaties like India did. Pakistan isn't going to become a member of QUAD or any other anti-China alliance. India sold its sovereignty and today it is crying injustice.

Pakistan is going for trade deals with the US. If the US can help Pakistan with F-16 upgrades, a big bonus. China is Pakistan's number one ally. China will remain Pakistan's number one ally. Pakistan also seeks cordial relations with the US. Nothing wrong with that.

India is Pakistan's number one enemy. Naturally, we feel good when India is hurt.

Thank you for clarifying. That other guy seems to see a boogeyman under each mattress cover
 
did Pakistan negotiated with US for the Trade deal or simply signed as DT told SS to do so, i am asking because there seems to be a confusion in PDF itself about implication of US-Pakistan Trade Deal.

But I assume negotiation has been done by keeping Pakistan's interest first and since Pakistan enjoys better relations & market exposure with China, ME & EU effects might be marginal.
The details of the deal haven’t been released yet.
Wondering what is so secret about a trade deal? Unless, Munir wants to keep it a secret for reasons best guessed by others, like unfavourable terms.
 
Thank you for clarifying. That other guy seems to see a boogeyman under each mattress cover

Let me clear a few things up.
  1. This isn’t about China or the QUAD. Both are part of the current setup, but they’re not the core issue here.
  2. What’s really going on is pressure tactics — plain and simple. It’s about trade, business, and military deals with strings attached. And on top of that, there’s the issue of India buying oil and weapons from Russia.
The "solution" — according to the U.S. — is that India should buy more American weapons and open up sensitive sectors of its market. But those demands clash with India’s own interests and security concerns.

So let’s be honest: this is all about what benefits the U.S. right now. The problem isn’t that India is doing something wrong — it’s that the U.S. isn’t getting what it wants. If India increases trade with the U.S. and buys more of their weapons with multi billions dollars then suddenly the oil and weapons from Russia won’t be such a big issue anymore.

This has nothing to do with China or the QUAD. It’s about America’s business and strategic interests — and India refusing to bend.

I’ve noticed that even many sensible voices from Pakistan are praising India for standing firm and not bending under pressure — because they understand one thing clearly: you can’t trust Trump.
If tomorrow there's a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine, and Trump steps in to announce it with a smile, the whole narrative will shift overnight.

Suddenly, all restrictions will fade, and India will be seen as a “great partner” again by the U.S.

That’s why India’s decision to stick to its own path — despite all the noise — is being quietly respected, even by those who aren’t always friendly toward us.
 
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India has never done anything to contain China. The Americans are finding out too late. India became a part of QUAD to enjoy the perks without the pain.
True, but America had hoped India would do things to help contain China, under the auspices of the quad; the Indians made those four agreements to support US ops. India had no intention and was stringing the US along; indeed perks without the pain. Trump called them out, and here we are today.

In his book, “No Trade is Free”, and ex-Trump aide reveals how Trump thinks of India.
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United States President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he would increase the tariff charged on imports from India from the current rate of 25 per cent “very substantially” over the next 24 hours, given India’s continued purchases of Russian oil.

“India has not been a good trading partner, because they do a lot of business with us, but we don’t do business with them. So we settled on 25pc but I think I’m going to raise that very substantially over the next 24 hours, because they’re buying Russian oil,” he told CNBC in a televised interview.

“They’re fuelling the war machine, and if they’re going to do that, then I’m not going to be happy,” Trump said, adding that the main sticking point with India was that its tariffs were too high.

He did not provide a new tariff rate for India.

Trump last week said he would impose a 25pc tariff on goods imported from India and added that the world’s fifth-largest economy would also face an unspecified penalty, but gave no details. Later, Trump mounted a sharp attack and said: “I don’t care what India does with Russia. They can take their dead economies down together, for all I care.”
 

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