Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[falcon34]

mass numbers of babur would not be happening, i believe our current stocks are even low 3 digits

Dude come on, that thing is 100% made in pak, I said before there are at least a 1000 Baburs, sudden appearance of harbah in the series prove that.
Deployment of this in Artillery division is a hint that it will mass produced rather why put in that, why give to artillery division, use a few bits of ur brains Bro.

 

[Blain2]

2/3 days at best. maybe one if it was an all out war. just too expensive

In case of a full-fledged war, Pakistan won't just rely on SSM/GLCM/GMLRS. Those will be used selectively along with drones. A significant effort will be taken on by the PAF to carry out strikes after conducting SEAD. Once the other side's air defense systems are neutralized, then the PAF would employ its surface attack potential which is significant to sustain the war effort and attrition on the other side.
In case of a full scale war, losses in SEAD/DEAD will be taken into consideration by the PAF but no SAM ADS can sustain/survive directed targeting. In any full-scale war, Indian S-400 batteries would be priority targets.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan will have to fight the war with what ever stockpiles it has at the start of the war. Most of the manufacturing sites for the local industries will get destroyed given the short distances involved, or the supply chains will get disrupted aswell.

In light of the 'pause' of Operation Sindoor, Pakistan will need to re-evaluate its policy of stockpiles of weapons that are capable of lasting more than 3 days for sure.

 

[hussain0216]

We are creating a range of missiles and rockets that can be made in bulk and used for conventional strikes

We also can't really comment on the internal workings of these missiles, what's been changed, added or upgraded.
How the guidance or warhead has been improved etc

I'm also reasonably comfortable with the 750km range, that's the range where India needs to be present and build up forces and assets for a wider conflict, so in any conflict that's our primary target range


A range of drones, rockets, missiles will now probably be manufactured for any future conflict


The areas where we desperately need development and probably GHQ knows this and will mostly likely take steps to rectify alongside China and Turkey as primary allies

Is supersonic weapons
Hypersonic weapons
Longer range weapons 1500km+ range cruise missile etc
And a long range anti ship missile 1000km+ range

I'm hoping all the news releases suggest that we are taking steps to rectify the above

 

[CarterA259]

We just need to stock up on some licence produced YJ-12s. Get some ToT.

Chinese super-sonic cruise missiles. Mach 3 + maneuverable.

These should be our main strike weapons paired with Fatah 4 based on how well guarded the target is.

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Maybe even the CJ-100 but Chinese probably won't export that.

PLA is turning to Hyper sonic missles.
Pakistan may get CJ-100 in the coming years in my opinion.

 

[falcon34]

I really don't get the obsession people have with SCMs, they are costly, huge radar signature and can be shot down quite easily as shown by PAF, why not fire 10 or nore Subsonic Cruise missiles at the cost of 1 SCM.

 

[Oscar]

It's a rebranded Harbah. No new tech.

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What are your opinions on range and speed? 700km at Mach 0.7, is this pushing the peak of subsonic cruise missiles?

Seems lacking.

Tomhawk can do >1500km
It all depends on turbofan efficiency.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Unfortunately mods have deleted my message but I will reiterate that a Mach 0.7 cruise missile is not the answer to a Mach 3 supersonic cruise missile

There is a unique special penetration ability in the latter and hence more reliable for high value protected targets

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Tomhawk can do >1500km
It all depends on turbofan efficiency.

Another thing I'm interested in, for a subsonic cruise missile, what is the optimal speed to maintain before the heat signature compromises it's stealth features and terrain hugging?

I read somewhere Mach 0.85 is the sweet spot, beyond that isn't worth it unless you're going to have a supersonic or hypersonic cruise missile because the heat/radar signature makes it an easy target, therefore you need to maximise speed for penetration

 

[Oscar]

Another thing I'm interested in, for a subsonic cruise missile, what is the optimal speed to maintain before the hear signature compromises it's stealth features and terrain hugging?

I read somewhere Mach 0.85 is the sweet spot, beyond that isn't worth it unless you're going to have a supersonic or hypersonic cruise missile because the heat/radar signature makes it an easy target, therefore you need to maximise speed for penetration

It depends on shape and air friction generated by the shape.
Eventually the trade off is whether radar picks it up or IR but each sensor looking for this system has their limitations.
Both have curvature of the earth as immediate limitation - then ground clutter - then getting a strong enough return for a lock.

 

[Metal 0-1]

The escalation ladder has already been climbed now anything but strategic ballistic missiles will be used

I think that's exactly why we didn't see cruise missile launches from our side. All CM's conventional/non-conventional where under SPD. And SPD is not going to mobilize under set conditions which were not there in May???

So, conventional cruise missiles will be under conventional arms of the military.

 

[Metal 0-1]

By what guide method does it get the accuracy of 5 metres?

The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation.
The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is.
Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA.
However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I think that's exactly why we didn't see cruise missile launches from our side. All CM's conventional/non-conventional where under SPD. And SPD is not going to mobilize under set conditions which were not there in May???

So, conventional cruise missiles will be under conventional arms of the military.

Did we even have any conventional cruise missiles operational?

 

[Ak01]

Dude come on, that thing is 100% made in pak, I said before there are at least a 1000 Baburs, sudden appearance of harbah in the series prove that.

lol and wheres the engine made? in pak too?

 

[falcon34]

lol and wheres the engine made? in pak too?

Yep it was displayed by the NASTP in one of it's promotional vids.
Else why would one put a system up for export if they don't make the engine itself??.