Opinion: India Pakistan near conflict - Escalation management non-existent

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It seems as sabre rattling is going on at a much heightened level from both sides. It also seems as what's coming from India on its media and by its leadership is an all out war, without escalation protocols in place. We'll go deep inside recent events from both sides and open mentions of "war soon" narrative on world media.

Since India has been losing its credibility all over the globe on various issues, it might start to think that the only option to "change world media's attention" is to initiate the "paused" conflict with Pakistan. Just like their air chief started a false narrative of destroying Pakistani jets, just to turn media's attention away.

It is also important to note, Pakistan's economy is almost ready for a vertical flight in the next couple of years with US becoming the largest strategic export and economic partner. In just 3-4 years time, Pakistan's GDP will start to rebalance with its internal efforts on reforms. Therefore, with the GDP increase, will come big increases in defense budgets. So for India, to manage Pakistan in a much stronger capacity with near $20 billion defense budget will become extremely hard. That's why the current timing helps them from this side too.

It should be considered that this time, that India, on purpose, will not listen to Trump or anyone because they have to PROVE to the world that they are a big power without care for any other country. This is a dangerous territory and it almost certainly could mean a nuclear exchange as Pakistan doesn't have strategic depth and secondly, our forces are 1/3rd the size of India. Now to assess how this situation is unfolding, we will start to analyze recent events and statements as they all seem towards war preparations:

Indian Army Chief made media address in a seminar two days ago and said:

1) Next India - Pakistan conflict will happen soon. War is on a pause. No ceasefire. Either side can fire one or salvo of missiles when they want to resume the conflict.

2) Pak Army: A few days ago said, we'll start from the East this time

3) Indian media constantly mentions nuclear installations suggesting India Pakistan can attack each other's nuclear installations because the agreement not to do that, was set back in the 80's when both sides weren't nuclear powers. So at this time, India feels a war is a war.

4) Indian media hype on a next generation Bunker Buster bomb to be used with its missiles. They have previously mentioned trying to attack an area with Brahmos called "Kerana hills" near Sargodha where they think Pakistan has its strategic weapons. This new bunker buster bomb is for deep penetration into such under ground areas.

5) Modi said: A "new" normal has been established, referring to strategic missile use.

6) Pakistan Army Chief and the Army: This time, we'll start from the East and move West. Referring to Indian states with more economic and warfare resources they've kept away from the border.
 
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It is my strong opinion that reasoning with a belligerent and psychotic neighbour suffering from a whole load of complexes or expecting a sincere de-escalation is a losing gamble.

Power and credible maximum deterrence is the only right answer.

Pakistan must acquire the necessary military weapons within its means that can deliver a powerful and destructive blow to India in case of any escalation.

In my opinion a major part of this will be stocking up on long-range supersonic cruise missiles. This is where YJ-12 or CJ-100 are necessary.

The Indians are deeply insecure and extremist, Pakistan's existence boils their blood, they have an inferiority complex. It's not out of reach they try to target your civilian government, industrial, economic, public infrastructure.

Even something as simple as a nice building or public transport rages the AASI jeetos blood.
 
Pakistan would never like to be the one resuming the conflict simply because we can't afford a full scale war - In India, its always been the domestic political reasons to start this madness - not an intended total annihilation of Pakistan.

In wars, both sides will take hits and damages - and so, as long as both sides have a narrative to sell - things will always probably stop short of Nukes.

So, perhaps we will only see short yet intense skirmishes. Everyone knows the consequences of full scale war.
 
It is my strong opinion that reasoning with a belligerent and psychotic neighbour suffering from a whole load of complexes or expecting a sincere de-escalation is a losing gamble.

Power and credible maximum deterrence is the only right answer.

Pakistan must acquire the necessary military weapons within its means that can deliver a powerful and destructive blow to India in case of any escalation.

In my opinion a major part of this will be stocking up on long-range supersonic cruise missiles. This is where YJ-12 or CJ-100 are necessary.

The Indians are deeply insecure and extremist, Pakistan's existence boils their blood, they have an inferiority complex. It's not out of reach they try to target your civilian government, industrial, economic, public infrastructure.

Even something as simple as a nice building or public transport rages the AASI jeetos blood.

I don't like to create hyper and "over boil" the circumstances. But I agree with you.

Modi's been very clear, he wants Pakistan turned into Gaza. So this situation is no less than our survivability and a matter of our existence.

I think taking India's current situation easy, would be foolish. I think however it may be possible, Pakistan needs to arrange for a large financial arrangement and buy all the necessary weapons on a VERY urgent basis from China.

Whatever we "thought" we'd need in 5 years per India's purchases, well they've already allocated 67,000 crores and this large sum is sadly against us. We can't take it lightly, so we need things on an urgent basis and now, so we can train, develop tactics and get stuff combat ready.

The Chinese are smart people, they should be watching this situation closely and should understand India just as much as we do.
 
Looks like this guy is making similar points to what I am saying. He's only changing the pre-text of the video to make it look like Pakistan army's the one behind Pak-India issue. But we all know that's FAR from reality.

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The establishment ran away from this war, had they knocked some real sense into India this would not have happened, PAF could have put an end to this bs.
Now they will have to fight this war no matter what and it won't be on our terms, they'll have to wait for India, hence indians will have the initiative
 
I don't like to create hyper and "over boil" the circumstances. But I agree with you.

Modi's been very clear, he wants Pakistan turned into Gaza. So this situation is no less than our survivability and a matter of our existence.

I think taking India's current situation easy, would be foolish. I think however it may be possible, Pakistan needs to arrange for a large financial arrangement and buy all the necessary weapons on a VERY urgent basis from China.

Whatever we "thought" we'd need in 5 years per India's purchases, well they've already allocated 67,000 crores and this large sum is sadly against us. We can't take it lightly, so we need things on an urgent basis and now, so we can train, develop tactics and get stuff combat ready.

The Chinese are smart people, they should be watching this situation closely and should understand India just as much as we do.
What many need to understand is that the Hindutva thought is dominant in India now, it exists in all classes starting from the bottom to the top to the security and government apparatus.

It's not merely posturing but that visceral hatred against Pakistanis is very real, it rages their blood and a large part is motivated by insecurity. This makes it more than just a mere political dispute even but more personal, and makes them erratic & extremist. They cannot be trusted.

So taking this into account, Pakistan absolutely requires a comfortable ability to turn any target in India into dust if they embark on any such endeavour. Tit for tat and more. Their hate has already led them to attack mosques, next their insecurity might make them target schools, government buildings, public transport.

The Indian Hindu mind is motivated by extremism, insecurity and jealousy. Just seeing a functioning Pakistan pains them.
 
It seems as sabre rattling is going on at a much heightened level from both sides. It also seems as what's coming from India on its media and by its leadership is an all out war, without escalation protocols in place. We'll go deep inside recent events from both sides and open mentions of "war soon" narrative on world media.

Since India has been losing its credibility all over the globe on various issues, it might start to think that the only option to "change world media's attention" is to initiate the "paused" conflict with Pakistan. Just like their air chief started a false narrative of destroying Pakistani jets, just to turn media's attention away.

It is also important to note, Pakistan's economy is almost ready for a vertical flight in the next couple of years with US becoming the largest strategic export and economic partner. In just 3-4 years time, Pakistan's GDP will start to rebalance with its internal efforts on reforms. Therefore, with the GDP increase, will come big increases in defense budgets. So for India, to manage Pakistan in a much stronger capacity with near $20 billion defense budget will become extremely hard. That's why the current timing helps them from this side too.

It should be considered that this time, that India, on purpose, will not listen to Trump or anyone because they have to PROVE to the world that they are a big power without care for any other country. This is a dangerous territory and it almost certainly could mean a nuclear exchange as Pakistan doesn't have strategic depth and secondly, our forces are 1/3rd the size of India. Now to assess how this situation is unfolding, we will start to analyze recent events and statements as they all seem towards war preparations:

Indian Army Chief made media address in a seminar two days ago and said:

1) Next India - Pakistan conflict will happen soon. War is on a pause. No ceasefire. Either side can fire one or salvo of missiles when they want to resume the conflict.

2) Pak Army: A few days ago said, we'll start from the East this time

3) Indian media constantly mentions nuclear installations suggesting India Pakistan can attack each other's nuclear installations because the agreement not to do that, was set back in the 80's when both sides weren't nuclear powers. So at this time, India feels a war is a war.

4) Indian media hype on a next generation Bunker Buster bomb to be used with its missiles. They have previously mentioned trying to attack an area with Brahmos called "Kerana hills" near Sargodha where they think Pakistan has its strategic weapons. This new bunker buster bomb is for deep penetration into such under ground areas.

5) Modi said: A "new" normal has been established, referring to strategic missile use.

6) Pakistan Army Chief and the Army: This time, we'll start from the East and move West. Referring to Indian states with more economic and warfare resources they've kept away from the border.

The first thing Pakistan can do is remove the notion of "restraint". Anything indian you can destroy, JUST DESTROY IT!. Also, Pakistan and the Pakistani people ALL AROUND THE WORLD need to be prepared for a war of annihilation. That is the ONLY thing that will stop the indians. IF our existence is threatened, we need to launch ALL our nukes on india in order to wipe india of the face of the earth. We need to adopt a muscular, highly aggressive and hawkish approach to indian and indians. There is no other option.
 
Looks like this guy is making similar points to what I am saying. He's only changing the pre-text of the video to make it look like Pakistan army's the one behind Pak-India issue. But we all know that's FAR from reality.

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I was just going to post this. You mentioned all the points he makes. The Indians are going to use Agni missile with bunker buster against the Nuclear sites in Pakistan. I'm convinced that the Indians are convinced that they will get away with and can deal with the fallout from the rest of the world. GEN. Munir's speech is on auto-play by every single Indian media-house with cherry picked the nuclear threat. Its as if they all work in cahoots regardless left learning or bat-sh*t right leaning maggots that they are.
The Indians will go for it. Due to Pakistan's inability to mass-attack Indian Hindu targets across India. The madmen in Delhi get their support from the devout Hindus across the Cow-belt. Pakistanis again missed opportunities. This has been very common in our history, lack of strategic foresight. From E. Pakistan to Sachin to Kargil to 2019 Balakot incident and now May 2025.
 
Another point raised by Pravin Sawhney is that Modi said that now they are living in an age of missile attacks so lobbing missiles into Pakistan at will regardless of why is India's official policy.

I have a feeling that they won't back down. They are likely being encouraged by the Iranians and Russians as I see the world as two camps basically - Russians and the Americans. The Chinese primarily focused on the economy front. The Russians will try to hurt the Americans in Central Asia by putting pressure on Pakistan. The Iranians too won't mind this. The war has basically expanded.
 
Another point raised by Pravin Sawhney is that Modi said that now they are living in an age of missile attacks so lobbing missiles into Pakistan at will regardless of why is India's official policy.

I have a feeling that they won't back down. They are likely being encouraged by the Iranians and Russians as I see the world as two camps basically - Russians and the Americans. The Chinese primarily focused on the economy front. The Russians will try to hurt the Americans in Central Asia by putting pressure on Pakistan. The Iranians too won't mind this. The war has basically expanded.

They won't back down because the indians know that even if Pakistan can obliterate india (which we can), Pakistan won't due to "restraint". They are banking on this. If india does attack, Pakistan must unleash itself on india like a savage rottweiler and cause maximum damage.
 
Pakistan must ensure her strategic water reserves. The country is being held hostage by India over water and use of terrorism as arms of foreign policy by the Indian state. She must break the shackles of Indian hegemony or forever be held at ransom.
 
IF what you say is true than we need stealth jets. drones and a good missile interception system. we should do something similar to what Isreal did to Iran. assassinate their leadership with precise strikes, infiltrate and use drones and stealth jets to take out SAMs from within etc
 
Pakistan would never like to be the one resuming the conflict simply because we can't afford a full scale war - In India, its always been the domestic political reasons to start this madness - not an intended total annihilation of Pakistan.

In wars, both sides will take hits and damages - and so, as long as both sides have a narrative to sell - things will always probably stop short of Nukes.

So, perhaps we will only see short yet intense skirmishes. Everyone knows the consequences of full scale war.
Well said. War or even an armed skirmish is good for neither side.

The amount of destruction a full-scale war would unleash is unaffordable for both Pakistan and India.

Skirmishes do no favors for bringing investment in which is what both the countries need.
 

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