Parsis and Hindutva's Ethnic Nationalism in India

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On the contrary it is very very very illuminative of the topic of the thread and the dance both sides played post Independence.

My father grew up with British and Anglo boys in boarding school .

It would have been ridiculously easy for the Parsis to move to England en masse after Independence. As the Anglos did.

We chose to stay here.

Cheers, Doc

Well I meant morally, that sounds like it's not relevant in this discussion.

The reason why Parsis stayed at the time? My thought is better to be a big fish in a small pond than small fish in a big pond. Plus India was proven, who knows what way the parsis sway after a generation or two in comfortable England, maybe too liberal for a conservative minded people.
 
1. I just showed you that it was the Jains who supplied to the Muslims Mughals who had the real monopoly over opium trade.

It was the Jain Malwa sahukars, merchants-financiers who financed the cultivators, multiplied their advances to the producers of Opium.

In 1818, a chest of Malwa opium sold in Canton for (Spanish) $680 as against $840 for a chest of 'Patna' opium.

The peasants in Malwa were paid three times as much for their crop as the cultivators in Bihar.

Difference is British had over lordship of Bengal following the Battle of Buxar in 1764 and hence monopoly on trade.

Point being the Marwadis restricted themselves to FINANCING the operation, never did the actual trading.

2. When the dutch was barred from trading via mumbai surat, the parsis took over the trade in partnership with EIC.
It was this european money that helped the parsi houses to purchase opium by outbidding the marwadis. Marwadis restricted themselves to financing, never actual trading.

3. The British took over the Marwadi financing after 1857 giving monopoly to parsis. You can guss why.

It is this monopoly which you claim as "victory" over Hindus. Though the Marwadi sahucars were Jains.


I am not sure what you are trying to prove ?

That parsis were better collaboraters to the british ?

That parsis are superior to the "Hindoos" ?

or that Parsis are somehow not responsible for the drug trade ?

One cannot prove anything to someone with an inherent bias and an axe to grind.

I have posted exerpts. I am happy for readership to read and come to their own conclusions.

You I had given up on in the old forum. Its nice to meet you again. But I might lack the interest to rehash old arguments. Or in your case, to beat my head again against the same wall.

I am happy where I am. I hope you are too.

Cheers, Doc

Well I meant morally, that sounds like it's not relevant in this discussion.

The reason why Parsis stayed at the time? My thought is better to be a big fish in a small pond than small fish in a big pond. Plus India was proven, who knows what way the parsis sway after a generation or two in comfortable England, maybe too liberal for a conservative minded people.

All said and done, India is Aryan land.

England is Abrahamic land.

Discussion ended there.

Cheers, Doc
 
One cannot prove anything to someone with an inherent bias and an axe to grind.

I have posted exerpts. I am happy for readership to read and come to their own conclusions.

You I had given up on in the old forum. Its nice to meet you again. But I might lack the interest to rehash old arguments. Or in your case, to beat my head again against the same wall.

I am happy where I am. I hope you are too.

Cheers, Doc

I am only biased toward the unadulterated truth.

The Jain banking system and the Jagath seth banking network was replaced by the Jewish Sassoon J. David, banker who worked with the EIC.

Even the Rothschild have their origins in the Mumbai money market and Opium trade. Look up Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836) .


Jains, Parsis and Jews. ..... all minorities.
 
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England is Abrahamic land
Definitely not now, not for a long time.

I mean you state the right choice, the wrong reason.

The parsi community and it's concerns over self propagating in India will in part be due to westernisation of urban corporate India, though it's a lagging effect. so just imagine if you were actually in the West.
 
I am only biased toward the unadulterated truth.

The Jain banking system and the Jagath seth banking network was replaced by the Jewish Sassoon J. David, banker who worked with the EIC.

Even the Rothschild have their origins in the Mumbai money market and Opium trade. Look up Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836) .


Jains, parsis and Jews. ..... all minorities.

Might be a Freudian slip (don't look, your fly is open) but I like how you choose to spell Parsi consistently with a small p while other denominations are initial capitalized .

Just trivia unrelated Im sure ...

Cheers, Doc
 
I am only biased toward the unadulterated truth.

The Jain banking system and the Jagath seth banking network was replaced by the Jewish Sassoon J. David, banker who worked with the EIC.

Even the Rothschild have their origins in the Mumbai money market and Opium trade. Look up Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836) .


Jains, parsis and Jews. ..... all minorities.
Do you have any useful sources or websites for Jain role in the British empire? I had heard of it, have not looked into it.
 
Definitely not now, not for a long time.

I mean you state the right choice, the wrong reason.

The parsi community and it's concerns over self propagating in India will in part be due to westernisation of urban corporate India, though it's a lagging effect. so just imagine if you were actually in the West.

Well, to be honest, organically, the community eventually chose the economically and professionally more vibrant US eventually, over the UK.

You might know now that Parsis in India are now a minority among their global diaspora.

And the gulf will only grow over the next few decades.

Cheers, Doc
 
Might be a Freudian slip (don't look, your fly is open) but I like how you choose to spell Parsi consistently with a small p while other denominations are initial capitalized .

Just trivia unrelated Im sure ...

Cheers, Doc

Maybe its just you goading out the worst in me with your incessant hindu baiting ;)

But edited it for your benefit. Happy ?
 
Maybe its just you goading out the worst in me with your incessant hindu baiting ;)

But edited it for your benefit. Happy ?

You have a US flag now?

Are you perchance a Mutthanna or Iyyenna (Coorgi) and not a Mallu Nair as I've been believing all along?

Cheers, Doc
 
Do you have any useful sources or websites for Jain role in the British empire? I had heard of it, have not looked into it.

Can't think of any. Its knowledge collected over the year over multiple readings or unrelated history and seeing the link between events over geography and time.

During the Mughal era, there was a common saying that went, ‘Pahale shah, phir badshah — first a merchant, then an emperor.'

The social importance of the Marwaris can be further gauged by the fact that Rajputana's rajas and feudal lords were eager to attract as many Marwaris as possible to live in their respective territories. The number of seths residing in a town determined its status because the taxes and levies received by the latter bolstered the state's financial situation.

Sheherwali were a prominent Jain banking community who financed Dwarakanath Tagore (yes, ancestor of Rabindranath Tagore) in their opium trade with EIC.

You have a US flag now?

Are you perchance a Mutthanna or Iyyenna (Coorgi) and not a Mallu Nair as I've been believing all along?

Cheers, Doc

...... Nair all the way. Work takes me around.
 
I hear William dalrymple is involved in a major TV series where he said the role of jains will be highlighted during the raj.
 
I hear William dalrymple is involved in a major TV series where he said the role of jains will be highlighted during the raj.

William dairymple is a well known Indophobe.

I would take anything he says with a bucket of salt.

 
So the parsis were better at running drug trade/cartels and certain Hindus are upset about that? That's good gist right to
Don't add fuel to the fire - this has gone from a superb academic thread to a very ugly one. Stay away.

I don't even know what you mean, so I am only partially offended....
Leave it be. It's his cold and consequent bad temper. I keep telling you - the thread has gone off, steer clear.
 
Don't add fuel to the fire - this has gone from a superb academic thread to a very ugly one. Stay away.

Not really.

At least read the pieces on the East India Company and the HINDU Sindhis and the History of the HINDU versus PARSI (Muslims being the bit players in a distant third place) Opium Drug Wars in India.

These are not hearsay or "trust me bro" statements. So they have the credibility for a read.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Don't add fuel to the fire - this has gone from a superb academic thread to a very ugly one. Stay away.


Leave it be. It's his cold and consequent bad temper. I keep telling you - the thread has gone off, steer clear.
I respect the sentiment, but it is a chat forum...

Plus I was only kidding, the sardonic tone didn't translate over web text, I wasn't offended at all.
 
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