Parsis and Hindutva's Ethnic Nationalism in India

[Guru Dutt]

You are saying that guru.

But that is not the national discourse.

Unless we live in different nations?

Itna disconnect?

Cheers, Doc

thats what the ecosystem wants to cunstruct that its fire burning everywhere cause they are not in power and what projects they want for there own profit they are not getting deu to BJP in power so they play all these gmes .... see things went bad to worse after adani bagged haifa port just look at the events that followed

 

[Kingfisher]

Probably not the thread.

Or the target audience.

Lekin bol deta hun.

Musalmanon se to hai hi panga.

Aaj Bharat mein

Sardar qaum Khalistani aur farm protester Canada wale ban gaye hain.

Parsi evil Joo Angrej collaborator drugs se rich hue chunawale ho gaye hain.

Christians rice bag converts and Uncle Sam ball suckers ho gaye hain.

Aapke circle mein koi hai minority wala jo aapse khul ke baat kar sakta hai serious level pe?

Cheers, Doc

mera circle high level hai, ye neech baatein na hi hoti hai, na hi kisi k dimaag m chal ree hoti.

Sdar lot are just fine, despite the many relentless and ever continuing koshishs from the western flank.

Har type ka try kar lia, full blown rusty 47s in hand "insurgency" se le ke political RR on global platforms, Kanishka remains a painful blot.

INko agle 10 hazaar saal tak maaf ni karna, in the meanwhile.. news reading krte ro, bas.. like the best coffee, khabars will trickle.

it helps a lot that we have the leadership that we have now, Doc .. it sure seems like you keep losing sight of it but.. somehow

 

[vsdoc]

I did. They are illuminating. The problem is keeping out the baiting bits that some posts represent.

P.S. Did either of the articles remotely give the impression that the Sindhi being discussed, either as EIC collaborators, or drug cartel kingpins, were anything but Hindu?

Any Jain differentiation made anywhere?

I know you do not speed read/scan, hence asking.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

came late here opium trade was the most profitable to british when slave trade was dying but it destryed traditional chinese society and many surrounding nations to core but was blessing for hindus and parsis who were nothing more than comission agents and berocrats of british east india company and maybe this is the reason why chinese dislike indians as they helped british destriy there society or so they thought

It is more complex than being a reason for ethnic hatred of Indians by Chinese. The Chinese are pragmatists, and today huge influences on the golden triangle. The Shan state actually runs on PRC time zones, not the time zone for the rest of Myanmar. So that reason is peripheral.

For Ormazd's sake don't get trigger happy and axe my thread.

Cheers, Doc

I love the academic bits.
Get your friend to cut out the baiting.

 

[Guru Dutt]

It is more complex than being a reason for ethnic hatred of Indians by Chinese. The Chinese are pragmatists, and today huge influences on the golden triangle. The Shan state actually runs on PRC time zones, not the time zone for the rest of Myanmar. So that reason is peripheral.

maybe but the core issue as one of my chinese partners once told me who had some buisness in burma aswell that core reason for chinese anger towards indians was there support to british when we were actually there subjects just like chinese and british were almost as brutal towards us as they were to chinese ... but thing is chinese dont have small memory like indians but they are sure logical hope one day they get the real game played on india and china by UK and European empirial powers

 

[vsdoc]

maybe but the core issue as one of my chinese partners once told me who had some buisness in burma aswell that core reason for chinese anger towards indians was there support to british when we were actually there subjects just like chinese and british were almost as brutal towards us as they were to chinese ... but thing is chinese dont have small memory like indians but they are sure logical hope one day they get the real game played on india and china by UK and European empirial powers

But then they should hate Parsis.

Thriving old money Parsi community in Hong Kong.

Many of their roads named after Parsis.

Let's get our friend @Beijingwalker here.

Beijing, the discussion is about the British Opium wars on rhe Chinese people, and the role Indians played as facilitators, drug lords.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

maybe but the core issue as one of my chinese partners once told me who had some buisness in burma aswell that core reason for chinese anger towards indians was there support to british when we were actually there subjects just like chinese and british were almost as brutal towards us as they were to chinese ... but thing is chinese dont have small memory like indians but they are sure logical hope one day they get the real game played on india and china by UK and European empirial powers

You may have a point. That comes up in conversation a lot, from what others - Nilgiri, for instance - have reported.
The main point in this thread is the question of why the political Hindu looks at different minorities differently. Do focus on that.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes, and no.
There was that critical point made about the Punjabi antecedents of later Sindhi migrants, who got absorbed into the prior Lohana social structure. We all know that, but this reference contextualises it.

Second was the reference to the Khatri . Did you spot the grenade with the pin taken out?

 

[Kingfisher]

Let's get our friend @Beijingwalker here.

that guy is a daily wager low level propagandist

at best he'll google, or the chinese equivalent of google and copy paste some rubbish apart from his boring usual parry and riposte techniques.

 

[Joe Shearer]

P.S. Did either of the articles remotely give the impression that the Sindhi being discussed, either as EIC collaborators, or drug cartel kingpins, were anything but Hindu?

Any Jain differentiation made anywhere?

I know you do not speed read/scan, hence asking.

Cheers, Doc

No, no Jain differentiation made, though I don't know exactly what you are pointing at, there. The Jain Marwari is a vital link in Indian economic history. The Hindu Marwari is an even more critical link in Indian social history, including the roots of much of contemporary Hindutva thinking. Their role in the financing of the Malwa opium came out clearly. What of it? The Jain HP almost merged back into Hindu society. Almost. Any point citing them as a minority?

that guy is a daily wager low level propagandist

at best he'll google, or the chinese equivalent of google and copy paste some rubbish apart from his boring usual parry and riposte techniques.

He won't even do that. I ran a rudimentary test on him. 0/100.

 

[Guru Dutt]

But then they should hate Parsis.

Thriving old money Parsi community in Hong Kong.

Many of their roads named after Parsis.

Let's get our friend @Beijingwalker here.

Beijing, the discussion is about the British Opium wars on rhe Chinese people, and the role Indians played as facilitators, drug lords.

Cheers, Doc

they think all indians as indians to them parsis are no differnt from hindus but they consider muslims are differnt and not that good as comission agent or beurocracy and even british dint trusted the that much maybe one thing working in favour of parsis over muslims was that chinese were basically pork eaters and muslims cant live in such envoirment besides trading in opium was against islam and chinese understand that hence they have collective view against indians but not indian muslims

 

[vsdoc]

No, no Jain differentiation made, though I don't know exactly what you are pointing at, there. The Jain Marwari is a vital link in Indian economic history. The Hindu Marwari is an even more critical link in Indian social history, including the roots of much of contemporary Hindutva thinking. Their role in the financing of the Malwa opium came out clearly. What of it? The Jain HP almost merged back into Hindu society. Almost. Any point citing them as a minority?


He won't even do that. I ran a rudimentary test on him. 0/100.

It was @Rivino 's contention here that all sordid drug business and collaboration with the Brits was purely by minorities, because the Brits favoured them.

Hence the Sindhi drug lords and EIC collaborators in business and trade were Jains and not Hindus.

Like the other collaborator minorities, the Parsis the Anglos and the Jews.

He even singled out the Surds for special favors.

I was greatly tired and in need of a soothing hot bath and a shave.

Cheers, Doc

they think all indians as indians to them parsis are no differnt from hindus but they consider muslims are differnt and not that good as comission agent or beurocracy and even british dint trusted the that much maybe one thing working in favour of parsis over muslims was that chinese were basically pork eaters and muslims cant live in such envoirment besides trading in opium was against islam and chinese understand that hence they have collective view against indians but not indian muslims

The pork thing is an interesting point. Ground level but critical, if you are traveling.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Rivino]

It was @Rivino 's contention here that all sordid drug business and collaboration with the Brits was purely by minorities, because the Brits favoured them.

Hence the Sindhi drug lords and EIC collaborators in business and trade were Jains and not Hindus.

Like the other collaborator minorities, the Parsis the Anglos and the Jews.

He even singled out the Surds for special favors.

I was greatly tired and in need of a soothing hot bath and a shave.

Cheers, Doc

Still flinging dung ? give it a rest.

 

[vsdoc]

Still flinging dung ? give it a rest.

Not at all.

That was the gist of your position, yes?

I thought maybe my memory was failing me. So asked another reader if either article made any mention of Jains, versus Sindhi Hindus.

Apparently not.

You were asked the same by @r3alist as I recall.

I do not recall you posting any source that backs up your Jain claims. Besides the assurance that they were because you say they were based on your long readings on the subject ... trust me bro.

Hope that's an accurate summary of our afternoon engagement.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Rivino]

Not at all.

That was the gist of your position, yes?

Cheers, Doc

My posts were pretty short and to the point. You know the gist.

If you still feel the need to "defend" Parsi's questionable busines past, do so without dragging in Hindus or me.

Rabindranath Tagor and "Raja" Ram Mohan Roy are both products of the same opium trade too. History is what it is.