PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[MH.Yang]

Didn't may 6/7 surprise made it evidently clear that no manufacturer/operator would ever reveal the true range/capabilities of their weapon system? Indians learned it the hard way and paid a heavy price for believing the information/data on the internet

You don't understand Chinese culture very well, but Chinese members may be more familiar with the origins of this matter.

China didn't intentionally deceive India. The PL-15's original design range was indeed 150km. Many longtime PDF members will recall that the range revealed during the PL-15's design phase was 150km.

However, Chinese officials have a culture of "escalating expectations layer by layer." For example, during the COVID-19 pandemic, the central government mandated an 80% vaccination rate, but the provincial government mandated 90%, and finally the municipal government mandated 99%. This is the culture of Chinese officials who "escalate expectations layer by layer."

The PL-15's design range is indeed 150km, but each link in the chain has raised its own requirements, ultimately harming the Indians.

 

[White Privilege]

India inducted 36 Rafails and in response, Pakistan inducted 20 J-10Cs.

Until India orders more Rafails, PAF until then may not induct any further J-10Cs?

J-10Cs are ready and available in huge numbers to be imported as and when required on a war footing, so this could allow Pakistan to concentrate on other acquisitions in the meanwhile in my opinion.

We can't have piecemeal inductions mirroring Indians, our economy does not allow that. J-10 was procured with numbers and complete set of required tasks in mind so more will follow. Inducting more will strengthen our deterrence. Other things we need are (better) soft kill solutions for Indian missiles and hypersonic missiles for our counter attack.

 

[MH.Yang]

where show me any pics of PLAAF/PLAN jets carryying PL-16? most probably PL-16 is still in development

In fact, the PL-15 has been in service with the Chinese Air Force for over a decade. The new missile(PL-16) is now in service, which doesn't indicate a rapid update.

The PL-16 was designed for the J-20. The J-20's main ammunition bay can only carry four PL-15s, but can carry six PL-16s.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

In fact, the PL-15 has been in service with the Chinese Air Force for over a decade. The new missile(PL-16) is now in service, which doesn't indicate a rapid update.

The PL-16 was designed for the J-20. The J-20's main ammunition bay can only carry four PL-15s, but can carry six PL-16s.

where is the pics? and is PL-16 has ducted motor AKA ramjet similar to METEOR or uses dual pulse rocket motors like PL-15 and last what it's intended missions, against fighter jets? or against AWACS/Tankers and other ISR plat-forms like R-37M/PL-17 you can't detect/Track/Engage fighter jets with 300+ km range

 

[Deino]

No.15 Sqn with 04 SJs

SJs? ... by the way, can we stick to the topic - aka the J-10CE in PAF - and leave out any random stuff?

 

[MH.Yang]

where is the pics? and is PL-16 has ducted motor AKA ramjet similar to METEOR or uses dual pulse rocket motors like PL-15 and last what it's intended missions, against fighter jets? or against AWACS/Tankers and other ISR plat-forms like R-37M/PL-17 you can't detect/Track/Engage fighter jets with 300+ km range

 

[krash]

SJs? ... by the way, can we stick to the topic - aka the J-10CE in PAF - and leave out any random stuff?

Sitara-e-Jurat, third highest military award, to 4 pilots in the No.15 flying the J-10CEs. That's what he meant.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

We can't have piecemeal inductions mirroring Indians, our economy does not allow that. ...

They have around 230 Su-30 MKIs. I'm not sure why they've not turned that into some Euro Fighter, Rafale and F-16 equivalent.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

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So Its basically the lager/modified, version of PL-15/12 with TVC for AWACS/ air tanker and other ISR aircraft, so why PLAAF have 2 similar kind of weapons PL-16/17 for same mission? and is TVC is needed to destroy big slow moving/least agile targets like AWACS/Tankers and other ISR targets?

Anyway back to PAF's J-10CE topic please

 

[Deino]

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Can we stop posting AI-generated nonsense! That image is an AGM-88 HARM and contrary to what is written, NO imagery suggest it to be in service, only reports by credible poster!

So Its basically the lager/modified, version of PL-15/12 with TVC for AWACS/ air tanker and other ISR aircraft, so why PLAAF have 2 similar kind of weapons PL-16/17 for same mission? and is TVC is needed to destroy big slow moving/least agile targets like AWACS/Tankers and other ISR targets?

Anyway back to PAF's J-10CE topic please

No, clearly not a larger version since the PL-16's biggest aim was to fit six AAMs into the J-20's weapons bay instead of four PL-15. As such it is definitely smaller

 

[Scorpio]

We all staying PAF , increase numbers of J10C .. on rapid speed ..

We all forgot one Major factor ... That it's financial aspect ... We don't have economy that can match Indian defense spendings ...

We should be proud that what PAF have achieved.. with limited equipment and spending till date ..

PAF first have to look into there pocket and then spent wisely to get Mex out of it ..

They cant devert the limited budget in new ADS, J10CE, JFT17 B3, F16 upgrades and J35 simultaneously.. unfortunately

 

[Corax]

If precedent is anything to go by, the PAF should induct around 110-120 J10s. IMHO, the Mirages and J7PGs need to go, they belong in a museum now.

 

[Yasser76]

If precedent is anything to go by, the PAF should induct around 110-120 J10s. IMHO, the Mirages and J7PGs need to go, they belong in a museum now.

Dont go down that rabbit whole, next 10 pages will be arguments now on how useful the F-7PG still is.....!

 

[Taimoor]

We all staying PAF , increase numbers of J10C .. on rapid speed ..

We all forgot one Major factor ... That it's financial aspect ... We don't have economy that can match Indian defense spendings ...

We should be proud that what PAF have achieved.. with limited equipment and spending till date ..

PAF first have to look into there pocket and then spent wisely to get Mex out of it ..

They cant devert the limited budget in new ADS, J10CE, JFT17 B3, F16 upgrades and J35 simultaneously.. unfortunately

J10s on soft loans, PL18 if need arise (though very expensive integration), and drones.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

On both occasions, the Indians don't seem to know how to encrypt their Comms.

It also shows the hacking capability of the Pak side.....