Pakistan Rocket Force Command News and Discussions

[Fatman17]

I think tis new Rocket force is telling India and world that in any future conflict we will activate this command for conventional weapons, hence the nuclear signaling won't be there, once a missile is fired its hard to know if its conventional or nuclear hence the rocket command will be strictly conventional.

In any future conflict I believe this is how Pakistan will saturate Indian Air defenses..
First they will launch Fateh-1's which are 1 Tel carry 8 Missiles which I assume compared to F2/F3/F4's are cheaper to Produce, hence we can launch many on one important target, second wave (If you want to call it) will be limited number of F2's and if they penetrate Indian AD systems than the job is done, but if they get intercepted or failed to hit Target, simultaneously launch F-4's which are more slow but low observing heavy warhead missile. One thing I am not sure how F3 will fit in all this, or what kind of missile we are looking for ?

It is active command under Lt.G

 

[Fatman17]

To be merged

 

[HRK]

Sir this is impressive thinking but I've given years of my life to this missile program of ours and I can but only *sigh* at the difference b/w expectations and reality.

Long story short, our current industrial base and production capacities are so out of depth that one cant imagine. We can raise another 10 commands and produce 30 more variants of the same 20 yr old missiles. We needed a national emergency effort in which we 10x our defence budget, expanded the industrial base, and took steps to retain talent. Without that, all doctrines are fancy imaginations.

Progress isnt made with wishful thinking. Where is our talent? It's gone abroad. Our main industries (Nescom, NDC, PMO, etc) are horrible at retaining talent bcz of horrible pay packages, vintage environments, and thick bureacratic culture. As a result, your entire strategic program is basically in the hands of uncles from 2002 batches of UET Taxila, UET Peshawar, etc. The entire organizations are infested with UET uncles who never upgraded since they graduated 25 yrs ago. The % of fresh blood is less that 5% and that too with average guys who couldnt leave Pakistan. Where do you think the R&D will come from? These uncles will give you progress? The reality is that we are still producing vintage stuff with new packaging and almost 100% help from China.

I can go on and on but I hope this drives the point that this is regression instead of improvement.

The logic is simple. There's no progress unless you throw huge money, talent and dedicated people at someting.

Ok ...

 

[muz]

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on another note this CENTCOM post shows attabad lake in GB while they wish us Independence Day

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Current mix of weapons Pakistan possesses are not truly conducive for Hi-Lo salvo. There is a fundamental disadvantage in rocket salvos, accuracy! Especially when taking on HVTs... so unlike Iran... Pakistan doesn’t need to launch salvos to penetrate air defenses but take out specific targets. Which is where the whole utility could be lost... unless the desired outcome is achieved a loyalty of one way fuses will be dispensed for optics only.
That being said, the philosophy and munitions canbe worked out over time since the first step has been taken... crawl before you walk!

 

[ety]

Is this PRF a new service branch or an arm within PA ?

 

[ThoroughPro]

Loitering missiles or munition.

air launched long range stealth cruise missile

 

[ThoroughPro]

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on another note this CENTCOM post shows attabad lake in GB while they wish us Independence Day

they show the GB mountains in the background that contain the rare earth minerals that USA is eyeing

 

[RajaBaja]

Before you express this view, you should first carefully study the PLA's current organizational structure and command system.
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The PLA's current joint combat system is built on this organizational structure, which is completely incompatible with Pakistan's command system.

We obviously can't replicate the PLA as we are not China. We may have 1/6th of the land area to defend and probably 1/10th of the coastline and ocean. Therefore, our command structure will be smaller but it could integrate with PLA's structure for joint strategy and coordination with the Chinese military as need be. These strategy sessions might start to happen more when CPEC will go live and trade volume through Pakistan will grow to make the Gawader port a strategic point.

For area management purposes, we are essentially divided in three strategic areas: Southern Operations Command. Central Ops Command and Northern Ops Command and then there is additional structure also.

There are two main offices in Chinese military where strategy related connections take place. 1: The highest level - Central Military Commission and 2: Office for Strategic Planning, especially for our SPD (Strategic Plans Divisions) related strategy. Obviously, we will be involved with tactics development, operational doctrine, etc., and work with NDU, as well as exercises with respective theater commands also. But our structure and geography isn't large and can never come close to the Chinese organization structure.

 

[Musings]

Attack the arguments kid. Dont try to shoot the messenger. I know exactly what I'm talking about unlike most university kids here.

Stop throwing yourself around the forum as if you're some hi tech individual - all you are is a new ID - dont insult or be facetious with respected members.
Be respectful and you will in return be respected

 

[RajaBaja]

I think tis new Rocket force is telling India and world that in any future conflict we will activate this command for conventional weapons, hence the nuclear signaling won't be there, once a missile is fired its hard to know if its conventional or nuclear hence the rocket command will be strictly conventional.

In any future conflict I believe this is how Pakistan will saturate Indian Air defenses..
First they will launch Fateh-1's which are 1 Tel carry 8 Missiles which I assume compared to F2/F3/F4's are cheaper to Produce, hence we can launch many on one important target, second wave (If you want to call it) will be limited number of F2's and if they penetrate Indian AD systems than the job is done, but if they get intercepted or failed to hit Target, simultaneously launch F-4's which are more slow but low observing heavy warhead missile. One thing I am not sure how F3 will fit in all this, or what kind of missile we are looking for ?

The Rocket Force has one theme "Rocket In - Rocket Out". You can change the Rocket with Missile if you like. No time wasted in target mapping, etc. The central command says "go" and it "goes"!

Secondly, depends on the target it needs to achieve, there won't be 1 or 2 TEL launching 4 or 8 rockets. Again, per the target given, it can attack from 3 dimensions simultaneously with a mix of stand off munitions + rockets + missiles. Or, for some target it could determine it only requires supersonic missiles, etc. That "Rocket / Missile solution book" that's "ready-to-go" is their area of specialty.

 

[ThoroughPro]

Pakistan's Rocket Force is an evolving War Doctrine derived from studying recent world conflicts and importantly learnings from our own short conflict with India.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Question is, what's the point of a rocket force when you have the exact same industrial base/resources and are churning out missiles at the same pathetic annual rate?

Our entire doctrine basically has been that we can't make nearly enough so the ones we do make better be nuclear to offset the poor conventional numbers. What's your take on this?

Have you ever heard of resource reallocation? Maybe they have read my posts and decided to reduce army size to invest in Rocket Force.

 

[Scorpio]

FATAH-I, FATAH-II & FATAH-IV in a single frame

 

[RajaBaja]

Have you ever heard of resource reallocation? Maybe they have read my posts and decided to reduce army size to invest in Rocket Force.

This is more towards process re-engineering or process optimization. The Army already has rockets and missiles. However, it made sense to "optimize the process" by making it an autonomous force within Army's command so it's leadership team can manage its vast resources that will go into it. It also cuts the red tape of planning.

India fires 10 Bra-Mouse for example, and currently, there will be discussions and planning to respond. With Rocket Force, that's cut out. They attack us, the Rocket Force tell the leadership as soon as it detects the attack that we are "ready to go" for targets a,b,c,d,e,f immediately. Orders received and buttons pressed, response dispatched.

Imagine how much time and effort will be saved.