8 Pakistan Air Force Officers Awarded Sitara =e-Jurat Medals

[side-winder]

Bholari wasnt superficial
Jacobabad a part of Hangar roof collapsed but it was completely empty.
Everything else was superficial or even a case of stray systems.

S-400 is reportedly based on two aspects.
First is that once the CM-400 was launched the radar emissions were on until the missile countdown finished and then the Cheeseboard at Adampur never came online again(and reportedly STILL hasn’t).
Second is the individual lost.
Third is humint.

It is also possible that system was not damaged but proximity of strike caused them to relocate it to their rather well prepared dispersal sites but since the system never came back online for the duration of BuM and PaF sent UaVs and opened up a rather “stroll in the park” corridor to Dehli Airspace means even if it survived the threat was neutralized. At that point those might as well be paperweights much like the Rafale’s have been taken out for a full rework of tactics and updates to threat library.

If anything the grapevine is the French want to CHARGE India for more current updated and its causing a dispute - take it with salt.

However, the Israelis have been very open and their supplied systems on Mkis, Mig-29s and some local Indian systems have been fully updated with gathered EW data and so they’re the ones currently doing the front line flying.

Exactly this --- People don't understand -- Going up against S400 was indeed one hell of a mission and those pilots have been rightly awarded -- even if they actually were not successful in causing significant damage to it.

I think i have stated it earlier somewhere - S400 actually did try to engage our strike formation. That was a dangerous mission by these pilots which could have been disasterous as SAMs were the only persistent threat they were facing. The IAF never got airborne.

However, once they launched the CM400s -- S400 went offline after hits -- and to explain that there can only be two reasons -- one some part of CM400 did hit and damage S400 to generate an unserviceability. Or CM400s missed the target however, the IAF was forced to relocate immediately -- knowning that PAF might try again to hit -- which is not a bad thinking at all and hence the relocation of complete system made it go offline for 10th.

Either way -- the S400 was no longer available for providing effective AD cover. And that explains how PAF fighters were roaming around the LoC unchalleneged afterwards.

Similarly -- i think the pilots who undertook daring missions onto Nur Khan and Murid have been very rightly awarded. A total professional job -- not because they took out so called C2 centers or those 2 trailers. But it certainly conveyed to PAF how accurately they could be hit forcing alot of immediate relocations although some critical relocations had already been done after 7th.

 

[rafale]

Exactly this --- People don't understand -- Going up against S400 was indeed one hell of a mission and those pilots have been rightly awarded -- even if they actually were not successful in causing significant damage to it.

I think i have stated it earlier somewhere - S400 actually did try to engage our strike formation. That was a dangerous mission by these pilots which could have been disasterous as SAMs were the only persistent threat they were facing. The IAF never got airborne.

However, once they launched the CM400s -- S400 went offline after hits -- and to explain that there can only be two reasons -- one some part of CM400 did hit and damage S400 to generate an unserviceability. Or CM400s missed the target however, the IAF was forced to relocate immediately -- knowning that PAF might try again to hit -- which is not a bad thinking at all and hence the relocation of complete system made it go offline for 10th.

Either way -- the S400 was no longer available for providing effective AD cover. And that explains how PAF fighters were roaming around the LoC unchalleneged afterwards.

Similarly -- i think the pilots who undertook daring missions onto Nur Khan and Murid have been very rightly awarded. A total professional job -- not because they took out so called C2 centers or those 2 trailers. But it certainly conveyed to PAF how accurately they could be hit forcing alot of immediate relocations although some critical relocations had already been done after 7th.

Instead of risking airborne Piloted aircraft CM-400 launches, why not have a land launched version to target their AD systems? I am sure the CM400 can be redesigned for the range from a land based launcher?

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

I remember Many Pakistanis were expecting PAF will release some "proof" on Aug 14th.
But in reality nothing of that sort happened.

 

[ThoroughPro]

You haven't met enough of us

You don't even know me to make that claim, but that's fine.

 

[Raider 21]

You don't even know me to make that claim, but that's fine.

Just saying there a good number of PAF brats who would rightly criticise certain things PAF has and does. Criticism doesn't equate to insults. My apologies if there was any misunderstanding.

 

[ThoroughPro]

I remember Many Pakistanis were expecting PAF will release some "proof" on Aug 14th.
But in reality nothing of that sort happened.

only the ones who don't understand opsec and why tactics are not disclosed

 

[ThoroughPro]

Just saying there a good number of PAF brats who would rightly criticise certain things PAF has and does. Criticism doesn't equate to insults. My apologies if there was any misunderstanding.

no misunderstanding, I got your point, maybe in the newer generation. In our times there was no social media, just one tv channel, economy was much better, it was pretty peaceful and normal life generally. no bad things made it out to the public. I am in total favour of transparency and accountability, learning from mistakes and growing. But unnecessary criticism just for standing out or because it looks fashionable or liberal is not productive.

 

[Watandar]

what is the 6 digit first block of your CNIC

Please don't harass members and seek to doxx them.

 

[rafale]

Bholari wasnt superficial
Jacobabad a part of Hangar roof collapsed but it was completely empty.
Everything else was superficial or even a case of stray systems.

S-400 is reportedly based on two aspects.
First is that once the CM-400 was launched the radar emissions were on until the missile countdown finished and then the Cheeseboard at Adampur never came online again(and reportedly STILL hasn’t).
Second is the individual lost.
Third is humint.

It is also possible that system was not damaged but proximity of strike caused them to relocate it to their rather well prepared dispersal sites but since the system never came back online for the duration of BuM and PaF sent UaVs and opened up a rather “stroll in the park” corridor to Dehli Airspace means even if it survived the threat was neutralized. At that point those might as well be paperweights much like the Rafale’s have been taken out for a full rework of tactics and updates to threat library.

If anything the grapevine is the French want to CHARGE India for more current updated and its causing a dispute - take it with salt.

However, the Israelis have been very open and their supplied systems on Mkis, Mig-29s and some local Indian systems have been fully updated with gathered EW data and so they’re the ones currently doing the front line flying.

@Oscar

Thanks for sharing the more believable and factual side of story,

regarding threat library updates by French, how does that work? What threats will they be updating and how it works?

A lot of radar emissions from PAF side would have been AESA.....with AESA able to modulate different frequencies and pulses and not a static emission, wouldn't it be difficult to track even after threat library update?

Secondly, even if now they know what emission is what system, how does that help to counter it? Considering PL15s were being guided with data links....how does Spectra know that the emissions hitting the rafale are from seeker or tracking radar? Is it just a ping from tracking or full guidance?

I think this is interesting and we would be more willing to learn about this. Spectra clearly failed on May 7th, literally one of the reasons why IAF went with Rafales and not any other jet, yet it was easily countered.

 

[Scorpio]

 

[Yasser76]

Wtf..I am not Punjabi ..born in pindi lived in Peshawar, pindi, Karachi etc . Spent childhood in Badaber…care to know the famous principals name there in the Paf school ?

My dude. OK, you are not from 'Pindi, we could find that out in a few questions.

 

[side-winder]

Instead of risking airborne Piloted aircraft CM-400 launches, why not have a land launched version to target their AD systems? I am sure the CM400 can be redesigned for the range from a land based launcher?

That would require complete re-design of entire system and would need alot of additional propulsion -- meaning alot of cost.

The missile system is designed to be launched at high altitude with high speed to give additional kinetic energy to the missile.

Moreover, Surface based launches are comparatively easy to track and intercept. Air launched weapons are difficult to intercept as they have relatively short flight profile - already having a strong kinetic punch when released at high altitudes.

 

[side-winder]

how does Spectra know that the emissions hitting the rafale are from seeker or tracking radar? Is it just a ping from tracking or full guidance?

There is a difference between AESA seekers of AAMs like PL-15 and other AESA radars in AWACS.

AAMs essentially have a miniatured AESA designed for terminal locks / guidance. They have very small antennas which means higher frequency (typically X band & Ku Band) - More focused beam and better range resolution.

Moreover certain other aspects also come into play such as pattern of frequency agility- waveform agility etc

 

[fitpOsitive]

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Honoring Gallantry – Sitara-e-Jurat Recipients

On this Independence Day, Pakistan proudly recognizes the extraordinary courage and dedication of its heroes of Marka-e-Haq.

Sitara-e-Jurat has been conferred upon:
- Wing Commander Bilal Raza
- Squadron Leader Osama Ishfaq
- Squadron Leader Talal Hassan
- Squadron Leader Fida M. Khan
- Wing Commander Hammad Masood
- Squadron Leader Hassan Anees
- Squadron Leader M. Ashhad Amir
- Squadron Leader M. Yousaf K

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I am hearing from some people the eight 5th gen jets are already in Pakistan.

 

[Windjammer]

I remember Many Pakistanis were expecting PAF will release some "proof" on Aug 14th.
But in reality nothing of that sort happened.

Do you know what " Going off the air" means....it's either when you blow your fuse or when someone pulls your plug, a bit like when you end up dressed in a pink saree, unable to post and are forced to stand facing the walk....similar thing happened on 7th May, world's 4th largest airforce was brought to it's knees as the PAF pulled it's plug and it was forced to stand down and just stare at the wild blue yonder.