HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

Bro - you were caring about iAF, with honesty, I just replied with honesty what I believe . Nothing else. Thanks.

I agree the IAF still needs to build more teeth—say 12 AWACS and 6–8 EW aircraft would make a huge difference overall.

That said, my view on India–Pakistan has shifted. In today’s context, the air force won’t decide the outcome of a war. The tactics of the 1970s—when aircraft would rush in, strike enemy space, and bomb—no longer apply. That time, no long range missiles were available, no standoff weapons, no drones - so important of airforce was very high. And critical. ( Specially india and pakistan case)

Air defence systems has changed everything - people need to analysis - iran israel, Russia Ukraine and also india Pakistan war.

Now the real game is about resilience: who can absorb more hits and keep defending will have the upper hand. If that ability is lacking, even the best aircraft could end up as sitting ducks on the ground
Partially true. Lack of air force in Iran left them vulnerable to Israeli strikes, which they could not absorb at all. Therefore, air force (air power and air defence) cannot be written off. India-Pakistan case further reinforces the significance of the air power. However, both Iran-Israel and Pakistan-India conflicts also highlight that long-range vectors - i.e., surface-to-surface missiles - are increasingly becoming significant in warfare, especially for striking land based targets.
 
I think - but I am not sure - they were/are planning to get the technology. I am uncertain it would happen soon, if at all. Moreover, with Trump seemingly poised on forcing India into acquiescence I am not even sure GE would be supplying the engines on timely basis or if India would continue ahead with this engine. However, without GE engine Tejas project in its entirety would be hanging by the noose.
They have other opinions too like improved versions of RD-33 or maybe they consider their mirage 2000H engine and they're developing their own indigenous engine named KAVERI for tejas with a help from French company SAFRAN
 
I am too Honestly speaking, I don’t see the Pakistan Air Force making a real difference in a full-scale war.

With its current strength, it is effective only in border skirmishes—flying in relatively safer airspace and relying heavily on support aircrafts. But in a full-fledged war, those support platforms won’t be able to operate so close to the borders. Without them, PAF’s capability is too limited to pose a serious threat.

As I’ve said before, warfare has already changed and is changing fast. Relying too heavily on the air force, while ignoring other critical areas, is a flawed approach.

The only real concern for India remains the potential of nuclear escalation. Beyond that, I consider the PAF overrated (in Pakistani views) in terms of its impact during an actual war.

Before the 2000s, air forces were often the first line of action in war. But with modern air defence systems becoming far more advanced, that’s no longer the case. Today, fighter jets can only achieve air dominance after enemy defences are first degraded or broken—using standoff weapons, drones, or missile strikes but seems, Pakistan is not prepared for it
It is the PAF that has kept the conflict 'short' with its initial powerful punches. As per your people, you 'told' Pakistan you did not want to escalate, or in other words, fight a long war. Unless you are ready to fight a long war that you can hope yo dominate, your argument does not stand....
 
Honestly speaking

You guys should disband IAF and buy dozens and dozens of S400 batteries

After all they have shot down half a dozen invisible Pakistani aircraft as per your clown chief unlike your aircraft that themselves got shot down
They would be doing exactly that. This is the best option for them already at the ready, launch Brahmos and absorb the counter attacks with S-400s. I believe Pakistan would be working tirelessly to ensure very high soft kill rate against these threats, as well as acquiring supersonic) hypersonic missiles of our own....
 
It is the PAF that has kept the conflict 'short' with its initial powerful punches. As per your people, you 'told' Pakistan you did not want to escalate, or in other words, fight a long war. Unless you are ready to fight a long war that you can hope yo dominate, your argument does not stand....
You are just assuming it! Thanks
 
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Are you sure? With this newly developed bon-homie with China, I suspect that the US will be again dragging their feet, just to annoy us.

May be after Trump terms.
 
Are you sure? With this newly developed bon-homie with China, I suspect that the US will be again dragging their feet, just to annoy us.

May be after Trump terms.
That was the X from July 7th. Who knows what will happen in a few days.
 
So total order for MK1A : 83+97 = 180.
Theoretically the max HAL can make in a year =36
So that will take 5 years ! But Then HAL is HAL !!

6-7 years max, quality time frame for development to Induction of Mk2 & AMC in small numbers.

@onlinpunit

Theoretically the max HAL can make in a year =36

I won't be betting on them making 36 a year.

This is another dinosaur like BSNL. Need to set up a private sector competitor or two and mothball it.

Regards

You mean according to the current plan but surely not the current capacity? HAL and any other contractor are far from able to produce 36 per year right now!!

currently HAL has 3 production lines (Nasik - 1, Blr - 2) newer 2 line at Nasik is under construction so considering it 16 (8+8) p.y. is not impossible. Bangalore Division already has 2 Production lines 16 (8+8) so it will not be a problem for producing 32 jets with this infrastructure.


HAL had produced upto 14-15 Su-30 p.y. so, if required HAL can increase production upto 12-14 per year, but everything depends on availability of engines.

GE has assured to provide 24 engines after 2026, but I have seen documents, which indicates HAL is perusing agreements/JVs with GE for producing GE-404 engines alongwith GE-414 locally. So, if that goes through then I don't think 36 jets annually is not a pipe dream.

once Nasik 2 line starts then 2 lines in Blr will be free for production of Mk2 & AMCA.
 
They have other opinions too like improved versions of RD-33 or maybe they consider their m2000H engineirage 2000H engine and they're developing their own indigenous engine named KAVERI for tejas with a help from French company SAFRAN
RD-33 would require redesign of the Tejas air frame. So would Snecma M53 engines of Mirage-2000. Both are heavy/bulky for Tejas. They have been developing KAVERI engine since at least 1986, but has been facing technical hurdles. I think - someone can correct me - it is no longer part of Tejas project.

Developing an engine with the help of France might be useful. But if that is to be the case then there is no way that 90+ Tejas would be flying powered by them for at least next 7 to 8 years - and I am being generous with timing here.

GE F404 and F414 (MK2) are adapted to fit Tejas, and these are the only workable solution available right now. That's why I believe America has Tejas by the noose. Trump/America can kill it off if they want to. Sure, on paper the project would continue, and India would simply say it is moving on to "make at home" enigne or seek assistance from reliable partner, i.e., France or Russia, with "more advanced/sophisticated engines" - they can write the script as they want - but the project would be thrown way behind, to the point it would make no sense to continue with it. Just my opinion.
 
You mean according to the current plan but surely not the current capacity? HAL and any other contractor are far from able to produce 36 per year right now!!
Read my full post. On paper HAL has the capacity to make 36 MK1A ( 24 In Bangalore and 12 in Nasik) per year. How may they will actually make is a different thing all together. Also the GE won't supply more than 2 Engines per month for quite some time. So that's another choke point.
 
Read my full post. On paper HAL has the capacity to make 36 MK1A ( 24 In Bangalore and 12 in Nasik) per year. How may they will actually make is a different thing all together. Also the GE won't supply more than 2 Engines per month for quite some time. So that's another choke point.


The pint is, in modern warfare this constant pointing towards „on paper“ is irrelevant and in fact slowly getting boring if not even embarrassing!

„On paper a Rafale can beat 3 J-20, on paper the Vikrant is more modern than the Shandong and therefore more capable, on paper the Tejas is out of reach to the JF-17 …. On paper this and that“ But what is true and real?
 

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