Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

Let's wait for the dust to settle. Judging from the current situation, the cost of J36 should be very high, and the probability of it being deployed in large quantities is not high. There is a possibility of developing two medium-sized sixth-generation aircraft as supplements.

J-36 is going to be a strategic aircraft in the beginning. It will be deployed to enhance existing J-20 based formations to add next generation capability in every strike package. So every formation of 4,8,12, etc, J-20's will have 2-4 of these aircrafts plus loyal wingmen. That will add future capability in the mix like directed energy weapons, longer range targeting, etc.

The cost of advance research and technology is very high. At some number X, the economies of scale will be achieved. Similar to how the US brought down the F-35 project cost nearly $ 100 million from its starting price tag after one thousand jets were produced.

One possibility here is to produce important numbers for the Chinese military first and then add a couple of partner nations for its export version also.
 
China’s Stealth Fighter Air Force Is Nearing ‘Juggernaut Status’
By Isaac Seitz
August 20 2025

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J-35A Stealth Fighter from China. Image Credit: Chinese Military.

Key Points and Summary – China’s aerospace industry has rapidly evolved from copying Soviet designs to directly challenging U.S. air superiority through both quality and unprecedented quantity.

-In 2025 alone, China is projected to build 120 J-20 stealth fighters, massively outpacing the planned U.S. acquisition of just 24 F-35s.

-This staggering production scale is matched by indigenous innovation, including advanced engines, the J-35 carrier-based fighter for its new supercarrier, and the development of sixth-generation concepts.

-This dual focus on mass production and future technology poses a formidable threat to America’s long-held dominance in the air.

China’s Air Force Is Becoming More Powerful By the Second

Over the past several decades, China has transitioned from copying old Soviet designs to developing a large fleet of fifth-generation stealth fighters.

Currently, China is working on its second fifth-generation fighter, as well as its first sixth-generation fighter, the J-36 and J-50.

This jump in technological sophistication did not happen overnight.

The transformation of China’s aerospace industry is the result of decades of effort and a change in strategy, favoring domestic production and modernization.

A Brief History of China’s Aerospace Industry

China’s aerospace industry began its development during the Cold War, heavily influenced by Soviet technology and doctrine. In the 1950s and 1960s, China relied on licensed production of Soviet aircraft such as the MiG-15 and MiG-19, which were rebranded as the J-5 and J-6 respectively.

The Cultural Revolution (1966–1976) severely disrupted scientific and industrial progress, stalling aerospace innovation.

However, by the late 1970s and early 1980s, China began to reorient its defense strategy, emphasizing modernization and self-reliance. The reform era under Deng Xiaoping saw increased investment in domestic research and development, leading to the creation of indigenous designs like the J-8 interceptor. Despite these efforts, China’s aerospace capabilities remained limited compared to Western and Soviet standards, with most aircraft lacking advanced avionics, radar, and engine technology.

The post-Cold War era marked a turning point. Following the Gulf War in 1991, China recognized the importance of high-tech warfare and began accelerating its aerospace modernization.

The 1990s and early 2000s witnessed a blend of imported Russian technology, including the Su-27 and Su-30.

By the 2010s, China had launched its fifth-generation fighter program, resulting in the J-20 stealth fighter, which entered service in 2017. The development of the J-35 and other advanced platforms, along with breakthroughs in engine technology, radar systems, and avionics, signaled China’s emergence as a global aerospace power.

Today, China’s aerospace industry is characterized by rapid innovation, high production capacity, and a growing emphasis on indigenous design, positioning it as a formidable competitor to the United States and other advanced nations in both military and civilian aviation sectors.

China’s Broadening Ambitions

At the heart of China’s strategy is the desire to achieve air superiority and extend its power projection capabilities. The J-20, with its stealth design, long-range capabilities, and advanced avionics, is tailored for operations far beyond China’s borders.

It is particularly suited for missions in contested regions such as the South China Sea, the Taiwan Strait, and the Western Pacific. This marks a significant shift in China’s military doctrine, from a focus on territorial defense to a more assertive, expeditionary posture. The J-20’s ability to intercept high-value targets like AWACS and refueling aircraft gives China a strategic advantage in denying adversaries access to critical airspace.

China’s push toward indigenous innovation is another driving force behind its investment in fifth-generation fighters. Historically dependent on Soviet/Russian technology, China has made notable progress in developing its own engines, such as the WS-10C and the more advanced WS-15.

These engines offer supercruise capability, allowing sustained supersonic flight without afterburners, which enhances both performance and stealth. The shift to domestic production not only reduces reliance on foreign suppliers but also signals China’s growing confidence in its aerospace industry.

Quality and Quantity

What’s more concerning is China’s ability to mass-produce these advanced components.

In 2025 alone, China is expected to procure up to 120 J-20s, a figure that dwarfs the U.S. Air Force’s planned acquisition of just 24 F-35s. This production scale is supported by a defense budget exceeding $230 billion, enabling rapid fleet expansion despite the high unit cost of approximately $110 million per J-20.

The Shenyang J-35, a lighter and more cost-effective counterpart to the J-20, complements this strategy.

While it has more limited range and payload, its lower operational costs and maintenance requirements make it suitable for broader deployment. This high-low mix of aircraft mirrors U.S. strategies with the F-22 and F-35, but China’s simultaneous serial production of both classes is unprecedented.

China’s advancements in aerospace development go hand-in-hand with the expansion of its naval capabilities. The J-35 is being adapted for operations aboard China’s new supercarrier, the Fujian, which is expected to enter service by the end of 2025.

This integration enhances China’s blue-water navy capabilities, allowing it to project air power from sea platforms and compete with U.S. carrier strike groups. Carrier-based stealth fighters are essential for securing maritime dominance, conducting reconnaissance, and executing precision strikes in contested waters.

The deployment of the J-35 on carriers marks a significant step toward a fully modernized and integrated naval aviation force.

A Direct Challenge to the U.S.

China’s rapid development of fifth- and sixth-generation fighters poses a direct challenge to U.S. air superiority. While the U.S. has faced delays and budget constraints, China continues to unveil new prototypes and expand its stealth fleet.

The J-36 and J-50, both sixth-generation concepts, feature advanced designs. While we cannot say anything definitive about these sixth-generation prototypes (assuming they are even that advanced), the development of these fighters suggests that China is not only catching up with the West but may be surpassing it in certain areas.

China’s dual-track development of fifth- and sixth-generation fighters ensures long-term competitiveness. While the J-20 and J-35 address the PLAAF’s current needs, the J-36 and J-50 are being prepared for future warfare scenarios.

This forward-looking strategy positions China to maintain technological superiority well into the 2030s and beyond. It also suggests a comprehensive understanding of what does and doesn’t work in today’s network-centric battlefields.
 
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What is so special about the J-36? I've not understood any of the hype surrounding it.

To a layman, it just looks like a slow moving heavy bomber like the B-2 Spirit.

Does it shoot plasma cannons, lasers, EMP bursts? Does it have some invisible forcefield? Can it take off vertically, levitate, go into space or edge of space? Does it do some transformer stuff?

If not, how is more advanced than the J-20?
 
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What is so special about the J-36? I've not understood any of the hype surrounding it.

To a layman, it just looks like a slow moving heavy bomber like the B-2 Spirit.

Does it shoot plasma cannons, lasers, empty bursts? Does it have some invisible forcefield? Can it take off vertically, levitate, go into space or edge of space? Does it do some transformer stuff?

If not, how is more advanced than the J-20?
Given the limited information available, all analysis is based on speculation.

But.
If you're an RC model enthusiast, you can try building a scaled-down RC model of the J-36 and flying it.
You'll understand why it's so advanced...
 
What is so special about the J-36? I've not understood any of the hype surrounding it.

To a layman, it just looks like a slow moving heavy bomber like the B-2 Spirit.

Does it shoot plasma cannons, lasers, EMP bursts? Does it have some invisible forcefield? Can it take off vertically, levitate, go into space or edge of space? Does it do some transformer stuff?

If not, how is more advanced than the J-20?

1: Stealth, stealth and stealth. This is one of the most stealthy designs. With super advanced control surfaces and RAM on it, you can pierce through the radar waves. It's a flying triangle essentially. By design born stealth. While in F-20 and J-35, the stealth is "induced" through technology, airframe and RAM.

2: Command and control: this is a plane that will through AI and super computing, have command and control capability. It can act as an AWACS sharing data from distances back to nodes, it can direct Loyal Wingmen and control multiple fights at onece.

3) It will use its Directed Energy weapons to take out enemy's missiles, drones or standoff missile swarm.

3: Advance missiles: With its larger payload, it can target a larger enemy formation at long distances.

4) Space hugging capabilities: I've not seen much on it. But the third engine tells me two things: 1: more power for weapons like Laser and 2: More thrust for more speed and raise the service ceiling to near or above that of SR-72 Blackbird. At such heights, it can best perform all the operations I mentioned above.
 
What is so special about the J-36? I've not understood any of the hype surrounding it.

To a layman, it just looks like a slow moving heavy bomber like the B-2 Spirit.

Does it shoot plasma cannons, lasers, EMP bursts? Does it have some invisible forcefield? Can it take off vertically, levitate, go into space or edge of space? Does it do some transformer stuff?

If not, how is more advanced than the J-20?
no subsonic bomber can maneuver like that, a tailess supersonic jet maneuver like that requires extensive flight control.
 
What is so special about the J-36? I've not understood any of the hype surrounding it.

To a layman, it just looks like a slow moving heavy bomber like the B-2 Spirit.

Does it shoot plasma cannons, lasers, EMP bursts? Does it have some invisible forcefield? Can it take off vertically, levitate, go into space or edge of space? Does it do some transformer stuff?

If not, how is more advanced than the J-20?

To answer your question based on informed and reasonable speculation. People can doubt and question as they please but there's not much point since it's all going to be different folks different biases and opinions on the speculated points.

It is superior to existing 5th gen fighters in the general areas of:

1. range and time in air due to having much more volume for internal fuel

2. more volume in internal bays for weapons and for larger weapons

3. more stealthy with far fewer control surfaces, fewer surfaces and next generation type of control moving surfaces which don't have the same edge issues previously addressed by special tape to cover gaps and moving gaps.

4. newer engines with the intended engines to be variable cycle engines and higher thrust output than WS-15 or F-135. Having 3 of these super high thrust and more efficient engines allows the next generation auxiliary power units and energy storage tech to better power next generation avionics developed and built with 2020s tech instead of 1990s tech for raptor, 2000s tech for F-35 and 2010s tech for J-20/J-35. These new avionics, computing, sensors, integrated networked warfare suites, active and passive defences are designed with more available power and space for them.

5. Clean sheet design to combine all the available improvements in basically everything over the decades. Also clean sheet approach to new air combat philosophy and new platforms coming into PLAAF such as heavy weight unmanned aircrafts of many, many types and roles.

J-50 is similar to above but one that is designed to focus more on turn and burn like 4th gen and 5th gen fighters (not including F-35 which struggles to keep up with the other 4th and 5th gens in performance). J-36 is more focused on networking as a command center of sorts.

Just point 3 is a generation separation for fighters or aircraft of the air to air and multi role ie not B-2 or B-21. Traditional AESA type radars apparently cannot detect J-50 and J-36 at all. They are RCS reduced to the same as background, disappearing into just the background atmosphere something about -50db. Anyway we know with next generation metamaterials for stealth coating and this shaping plus deletion of verticals, neater skin, less protrusions than even 5th gens and cleaner gaps and less gaps for moving parts, this is already going to give you huge advantage in detection compared to even 5th gen. J-36 also features a curious bi-focal electro-optic sensor and might use a new type of radar. People speculated it's the generation ahead of GaN. Some suggest it is a new type altogether.

Also J-36 prototype already turns and rolls faster tighter and better than B-2 and B-21 for an aircraft without any vertical control surfaces. It's slightly smaller than B-21 overall but has a longer length to wingspan ratio and probably at least 2x more available power than B-21. B-21 uses non-afterburning F-135 level engines so about 1.5 F-135 engines total power lets say. J-36 is >3 F-135 engine in total power with intended engines. Of course that is for future. But then again so is F-47 which by US own record, has not even produced a prototype. Boeing won the contract to develop the F-47 prototype from the work on the Xperimental aircrafts they've gone through. China also went through said by reputable leakers to be more than 7 Xperimental competing aircrafts since 2018.
 
4) Space hugging capabilities: I've not seen much on it. But the third engine tells me two things: 1: more power for weapons like Laser and 2: More thrust for more speed and raise the service ceiling to near or above that of SR-72 Blackbird. At such heights, it can best perform all the operations I mentioned above.
lol
 
1: Stealth, stealth and stealth. This is one of the most stealthy designs. With super advanced control surfaces and RAM on it, you can pierce through the radar waves. It's a flying triangle essentially. By design born stealth. While in F-20 and J-35, the stealth is "induced" through technology, airframe and RAM.

2: Command and control: this is a plane that will through AI and super computing, have command and control capability. It can act as an AWACS sharing data from distances back to nodes, it can direct Loyal Wingmen and control multiple fights at onece.

3) It will use its Directed Energy weapons to take out enemy's missiles, drones or standoff missile swarm.

3: Advance missiles: With its larger payload, it can target a larger enemy formation at long distances.

4) Space hugging capabilities: I've not seen much on it. But the third engine tells me two things: 1: more power for weapons like Laser and 2: More thrust for more speed and raise the service ceiling to near or above that of SR-72 Blackbird. At such heights, it can best perform all the operations I mentioned above.
In summary, a very large armed AWAC operating as a long range stealth fighter/bomber?
 
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Given the limited information available, all analysis is based on speculation.

But.
If you're an RC model enthusiast, you can try building a scaled-down RC model of the J-36 and flying it.
You'll understand why it's so advanced...
its actually been built - youtube videos exist.

If anything even more complex designs can be flown in that scale. Today’s basic radio transmitter combos come with stability augmentation built in so they can compensate to an extent.

The issue is not just the flight characteristics but what the J-36 actually needs to do
Payload
Power generation
Aerodynamic efficiency
Low RCS
Range

the shape of it is what makes a lot of this possible but also internals.
You can create all sorts of aerodynamic RC models to validate aspects.

If anything the X-36 was a more complex design initially and flown in RC scale decades ago.
 
I fell the next REAL SUPERPOWER will be the one which will INVENT A NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY WHICH WILL RADICALLY AND DECISIVELY CHANGE THE BALANCE OF MILITARY POWER. All these fighters run on Hydro Carbon. There is limit to the energy they can produce. They are getting bigger and bigger due to more fuel aka energy required.

It astounds me to think that human kind has made huge advancements in advanced radar, navigation systems, targeting systems, flight control computers, electronic warfare systems, and secure communication systems BUT ARE USING A FUEL SOURCE WHICH IS HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD. THESE TWO ARE NOT COMPATIBLE.
 
its actually been built - youtube videos exist.

If anything even more complex designs can be flown in that scale. Today’s basic radio transmitter combos come with stability augmentation built in so they can compensate to an extent.

The issue is not just the flight characteristics but what the J-36 actually needs to do
Payload
Power generation
Aerodynamic efficiency
Low RCS
Range

the shape of it is what makes a lot of this possible but also internals.
You can create all sorts of aerodynamic RC models to validate aspects.

If anything the X-36 was a more complex design initially and flown in RC scale decades ago.
I know someone built an RC model of the J-36.

When it first appeared, someone live-streamed the entire process of building it on the Douyin platform. Without a control chip and using full manual control, this RC model is extremely difficult to fly.

Recently, someone is preparing to build an RC model of the J-36 with a turbofan engine, without the advanced control chip. I'm still waiting to see what they come up with.

Based on their feedback, this aircraft is significantly more difficult to build than other RC models of fifth-generation fighter jets.
 
I know someone built an RC model of the J-36.

When it first appeared, someone live-streamed the entire process of building it on the Douyin platform. Without a control chip and using full manual control, this RC model is extremely difficult to fly.

Recently, someone is preparing to build an RC model of the J-36 with a turbofan engine, without the advanced control chip. I'm still waiting to see what they come up with.

Based on their feedback, this aircraft is significantly more difficult to build than other RC models of fifth-generation fighter jets.
Most unstable design are difficult to fly without stability. I built a RC B-2 some 20 years ago and it was impossible to control beyond a 5-10 degree bank.
 

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