Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

But you have befriended a country that not only killed our children, but gassed our civilians to death. Do you know the name of that country?
Yeah, Iraq. Another one of our enemies that the IR loves and is feeding them cheap electricity while people in Iran have 4-hour electricity cuts. And they don't even pay us back for our electricity exports.

You must update your calendar, today it's 22-08-2025. Saddam was hanged on 30-12-2006. The last Tsar, Nicholas II, and his family were murdered by the Bolsheviks on the night of July 16–17, 1918.
Iraq is not our enemy, it's our neighbour, trade partner and has common interest with us in many areas. Our annual export to Iraq is not around 10 billion USD, during Saddam it was almost 0. US sanctions that makes transactions difficult or impossible can't be blamed on Iraqis or Iranians. What Iran exports to Iraq and for what price can't either be blamed on Iraqis.

Well, as you can clearly see, that is not the case at all. Nobody is distancing itself from the US. Stop being delusional. You are the isolated one, not the US. Even China, as the world's next global power, decided to settle their differences with the US through negotiations.

Then why does US threatens, for example India and China many others with sanctions of tarifs? why does US weaponizes economy?
The global landscape is witnessing a move towards multipolarity, with countries like China, Russia, and India, Iran, Brazil challenging the established unipolar U.S.-led order. Not even a child can deny this anymore.

Yes, you are. It's like I say you and I should partner up together because we want to build a house in my yard, but I say I don't have money to build anything at all. Makes no sense at all.

INSTC freight volume is increasing annually. For example, rail cargo moved along the corridor grew by ~19% in 2024 compared to 2023, with Russia–India trade surging significantly via the corridor. Crude oil exports from Russia to India via INSTC have increased sharply over recent years.
Funding and sanctions slowed the progress, but the the caravan moves on and the dogs (you know who they are) bark.

Russia is a pariah state. Even most of Slavs dislike the country. It has been isolated from the world by building a huge buffer around it. Nearly all of its neighbors want to join NATO. Even Armenia abandoned it after they stabbed them in the back. The Chinese do not trust them. Only Ali Khamenei and his followers seem to love this country for some reason.

No it's not a pariah state, Israel is. Not all slavs hate Russia, for example Serbia, Slovakia, Belarus.
Majority of world and major economical powers, military powers, all have decent ties with Russia, from China, to India, Iran, even many Arab countries and Africa.
USA and EU (who are slaves of USA and majority old/dying population) are not equal to "the world". Now slowly EU and USA are regretting their failed initiative, arresting ukrainians who blew up northstream 2 (which they wanted to blame on Russia) and slowly trying to open up negotiations.

Yeah, he wish he could be though. He started a war in Ukraine, led to hundreds of thousands of death, millions displaced and the only thing he achieved was that 3 of his neighbors joined NATO. The very same reason that he said he had to start the war.

See my reply above, he won the war in Ukraine, west lost (along with that billions USD wasted), these are the facts. The 3 old, low density populated neighbors form no threat for Russia.

The famine was caused by emptying our stock of food and wheat. Russians also have a very dark history when it comes to rape. They raped over a million German women after the fall of Berlin in WWII. They also committed atrocities in Northwestern Iran many times.

Soviet union (not only Russia) devestated fascist nazi germany and that was not something bad.
About dark history, Germans and Japanese were not nice either, nor were the British gentle. We can mention many others who were equaly bad or even worse

And? Is that supposed to make us feel better about them? Explain how?

No, but you should put things in perspective and move on. Old system disappeared (Tsarism, Soviet Union, Baath Party, fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Shah of Iran).

In the 1980s, the Soviet Union covertly supported Iraq in the Iran–Iraq War. The current treaty would make direct military support to Iran’s enemy formally prohibited.
But recently Russia and Iran signed a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty (January 2025) which includes provisions aimed at preventing each country from supporting the other's adversaries in conflicts.

Yeah, right. As if you could contain Baku with your awesome foreign policies that has isolated us from the world and has destroyed our air force. You cannot even contain sandal-wearing Taliban soldiers.

I'm not Islamic republic, actually I left the biggest critics against Islamic republic while their fanboys were active here and on Irandefence/military forum. Baku regime is just mob family trying to push above their weight, don't make it bigger than it is. If they want follow Georgia or Ukraine model, they will regret it soon or later.

No, you don't get it. I explained it to you clearly at the beginning. It's a package deal. You have to stop calling for the destruction of Israel if you want a meaningful relationship with the US. It's either that or go nuclear and build actual deterrence. But since Khamenei is too much of a **** to build nuclear weapons, then you have to stop messing with Israel. It's not our war to begin with.

I can agree on this, while you should not deny Iran reaching out to US multiple times. Islamic Republic has and had a big-mouth-policy (like general salami). While condemning the barbaric terrorist and genocidal policy of Israel, we could be military-neutral. But no need to have ties either with such criminal entity, same policy like Pakistan.

You don't need Jewish oligarchs in Russia when you have a "friend" like Putin. Putin single-handedly has betrayed Iran and acted against our interests more than all Jewish oligarchs in Russia ever would.
Why would Russia sanction us when you're bending over backwards for them? lol

So did China, India, Europe, Pakistan, Arabs etc. For each of them we could find reasons, from supporting direct attacks, sanctions, to not following up on contracts. They follow their own interests and sometimes it does feel like "betrayal".

But again I didnt see Chinese or Russians saying Iran should be bombed, should be sanctioned (maximum pressure) and "Israel does our dirty work", or lets cut the head of the snake and I will bring the war into Iran (what saudis said) and Iranian Islands are ours (UAE).

Now this Chinaphobia and Russophobia disease among some Iranians has a special strain and source (like corona which also had different strains).

The strain among Iranians was born in West and passed through an exiled big nosed lizard whose father was exiled from Iran in 1979 and who married his daughter to Israelis.

It has passed the point of honest criticism against China and Russia and entered the realm of hate, paranoia and conspiracy theories

We have no real common interests with Russia whatsoever. Russia is a useless leech that has leeched off us for far too long because of a particular person in power.
Every move Russia has made in the last 2 decades has had only one goal: To weaken Iran and undermine our influence in the Caucasus and the Middle East. They have thrown us under the bus far too many times just in the last 25 years alone.

That's simply not true. Russia is a neighbour and a useful, pragmatic partner for Iran but not a fully ideological (logic!) or unconditional ally. Too many factors and common interests simply deny Russia being enemy or leech or any of that sort of terms to be used against Russia.

Your view is anything but realistic, objective or pragmatic. You guys do suck up to Russia no matter how many times Putin c*ckslaps you.
We have enough reasons to hate Russia. Not that it's one of our enemies throughout history, but it has stabbed us in the back too many times since 2003 alone.

Very childish comment, expecting it only from defeated pahlavists/royalists who carry the western strain of the Russophobia, sinophobia virus, which infects mostly brains of uneducated, old exiles whose kids forgot persian language. Even some non-royalist could be infected by the weaker younger strain of this virus.

The reality is that multipolarism, global south and rise of east and Asia can't be stopped.

Irrelevant rambling. Your opinion is the type of opinion I expect from idiots who support "no negotiations, no war", but eventually take it all up their bunghole, get humiliated in a 12-day battle when facing a teeny tiny country, and beg for negotiations for a few more months in power.

It's you who is rambling with almost 0 knowledge about what's happening in the world, while Iranian shaheds did their job in Ukraine and while NATO-led proxy Israel could not completely finish their dirty goal (Libyanization of Iran).

Now that does not deny so much incompetence from IRI and in a healthy system, heads should roll. If not their own heads will roll again in future NATO-Israeli attack and the fools will pay by blood again.

My position here is clear, we should have nuclear weapons and ICBMs, so maybe you confused me with other member here?

 

[ShapurII]

You must update your calendar, today it's 22-08-2025. Saddam was hanged on 30-12-2006. The last Tsar, Nicholas II, and his family were murdered by the Bolsheviks on the night of July 16–17, 1918.
Iraq is not our enemy, it's our neighbour, trade partner and has common interest with us in many areas. Our annual export to Iraq is not around 10 billion USD, during Saddam it was almost 0. US sanctions that makes transactions difficult or impossible can't be blamed on Iraqis or Iranians. What Iran exports to Iraq and for what price can't either be blamed on Iraqis.

Yeah, but the Russians haven't updated their calendars. They still teach their people that the Iranians barbarically murdered Aleksandr Griboyedov. The Iraqis still hate Iran, excluding a group of Shiites who welcome Iranians as pilgrims during Ashura and Arbaeen.
Our national export to Iraq is not paid back. Your obsession with countries that violate their agreements with us is shameful.

Then why does US threatens, for example India and China many others with sanctions of tarifs? why does US weaponizes economy?
The global landscape is witnessing a move towards multipolarity, with countries like China, Russia, and India, Iran, Brazil challenging the established unipolar U.S.-led order. Not even a child can deny this anymore.

Why do these countries go and negotiate with them?
The US is a global bully, but far from isolated. Iran, on the other hand, is isolated. Even China and Russia are reluctant to trade with Iran. Every one of your so-called partners are reluctant to deal with you. Not even a retard would deny this.
Average GDP growth of the US since 1945 has been 3.2%. That's insane. The US remains a super power, relevant to basically any decision that is made in the world. Your tovarisch Putin polished Trump's balls just a few days ago.

INSTC freight volume is increasing annually. For example, rail cargo moved along the corridor grew by ~19% in 2024 compared to 2023, with Russia–India trade surging significantly via the corridor. Crude oil exports from Russia to India via INSTC have increased sharply over recent years.
Funding and sanctions slowed the progress, but the the caravan moves on and the dogs (you know who they are) bark.

19% growth of a negligible number is still negligible. Kiss INSTC goodbye with the situation that we have in our northwestern border. And I still see no solution to this situation. Do you have any solution within Iran's current means?

No it's not a pariah state, Israel is. Not all slavs hate Russia, for example Serbia, Slovakia, Belarus.
Majority of world and major economical powers, military powers, all have decent ties with Russia, from China, to India, Iran, even many Arab countries and Africa.
USA and EU (who are slaves of USA and majority old/dying population) are not equal to "the world". Now slowly EU and USA are regretting their failed initiative, arresting ukrainians who blew up northstream 2 (which they wanted to blame on Russia) and slowly trying to open up negotiations.

Yeah, you live in a parallel universe where Israel has been banned from the Olympics, and Russia has been crowned the champion lol Israel has been banned from international events, and Russia is welcomed with open arms.
Whether you like it or not, Israel, be the genocidal piece of sh*t that it is, is normalizing her relations with nearly every country in the Middle East except for Iran. Russia, on the other hand, cannot even use the airspace of its neighboring countries. A true pariah state.

See my reply above, he won the war in Ukraine, west lost (along with that billions USD wasted), these are the facts. The 3 old, low density populated neighbors form no threat for Russia.

He won nothing. He fell into a trap that they had prepared for him and provoked him into falling into it. He didn't want NATO in Ukraine, now he has to accept US troops (the only country in NATO that matters) in Ukraine and three of her neighbors joined NATO. Ukrainians now hate Russians to the core. Everything is worse for Russia than before the war.

Soviet union (not only Russia) devestated fascist nazi germany and that was not something bad.
About dark history, Germans and Japanese were not nice either, nor were the British gentle. We can mention many others who were equaly bad or even worse

Yeah, only if you think mass rape is not something bad. It's funny how you Russophiles try to whitewash the history of one of the world's most brutal countries that has killed millions of Iranians throughout history, and has violated our sovereignty many times.

No, but you should put things in perspective and move on. Old system disappeared (Tsarism, Soviet Union, Baath Party, fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Shah of Iran).

You guys need to learn the importance of history. Countries and cultures do not appear out of thin air. You think Russia has changed, but there is no evidence to show that Russia has changed and can be trusted now.

In the 1980s, the Soviet Union covertly supported Iraq in the Iran–Iraq War. The current treaty would make direct military support to Iran’s enemy formally prohibited.
But recently Russia and Iran signed a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty (January 2025) which includes provisions aimed at preventing each country from supporting the other's adversaries in conflicts.

Yeah, a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Treaty that Russia failed to uphold. Not only it didn't uphold, and did not deliver Sukhoi-35s to Iran, or S-400s, but it even supported the aggressor by saying "they're almost a Russian speaking country". Ridiculous.

I'm not Islamic republic, actually I left the biggest critics against Islamic republic while their fanboys were active here and on Irandefence/military forum. Baku regime is just mob family trying to push above their weight, don't make it bigger than it is. If they want follow Georgia or Ukraine model, they will regret it soon or later.

I don't remember you being among the biggest critics of the Islamic Republic.
You keep saying these things, but at the end of the day, Iran always remains passive and we're the ones who will regret our passiveness later.

I can agree on this, while you should not deny Iran reaching out to US multiple times. Islamic Republic has and had a big-mouth-policy (like general salami). While condemning the barbaric terrorist and genocidal policy of Israel, we could be military-neutral. But no need to have ties either with such criminal entity, same policy like Pakistan.

That's what I said from the beginning. We just need to mind our own business. We're not some sort of super heroes that have to fight for justice at our own expense. We just need to stop being the flag-bearer of destroying Israel and focus on things that matter to us.

So did China, India, Europe, Pakistan, Arabs etc. For each of them we could find reasons, from supporting direct attacks, sanctions, to not following up on contracts. They follow their own interests and sometimes it does feel like "betrayal".

We have isolated ourselves over things that do not serve our national interests. If we had something to show off for all these years of isolation, it would've been different. But when you look at the last 5-8 years, we have had consecutive defeats. You can't do the same thing and expect a different result.

But again I didnt see Chinese or Russians saying Iran should be bombed, should be sanctioned (maximum pressure) and "Israel does our dirty work", or lets cut the head of the snake and I will bring the war into Iran (what saudis said) and Iranian Islands are ours (UAE).

Because we are moving along the lines that they agree with.
However, both Russia and China call on Iran to resolve our territorial disputes with the UAE "diplomatically". In fact, they did it long before the Europeans. The Europeans started to openly challenge Iran after Iran mindlessly dragged itself into the Ukraine war, thanks to Khamenei.

Now this Chinaphobia and Russophobia disease among some Iranians has a special strain and source (like corona which also had different strains).

The strain among Iranians was born in West and passed through an exiled big nosed lizard whose father was exiled from Iran in 1979 and who married his daughter to Israelis.

I wouldn't expect a different answer from someone who claims history is of no relevance to today. lol Russophobia has been there for at least 3 centuries. And for very good reasons though. But of course, you wouldn't know.

It has passed the point of honest criticism against China and Russia and entered the realm of hate, paranoia and conspiracy theories

The honest criticism against Russia is that they should go f*ck themselves. They're full of it.

That's simply not true. Russia is a neighbour and a useful, pragmatic partner for Iran but not a fully ideological (logic!) or unconditional ally. Too many factors and common interests simply deny Russia being enemy or leech or any of that sort of terms to be used against Russia.

They're as useless as useless gets. They failed to deliver S-300s, they failed to deliver Sukhoi-35s. They abandoned Shafagh project for no reason. They didn't deliver all the RD-33 engines. They encouraged Assad to leave Syria when we needed Syria the most. They haven't sold Iran a single civilian aircraft since US sanctioned our aviation industry. They passed 4 rounds of UNSC sanctions on Iran. They banned Iranian students from studying nuclear science and engineering in Russia. They failed to meet the schedule for the first reactor at Bushehr, they're behind schedule for both reactor II and III as of now. Their TOR-M1 ended up shooting down a civilian passenger that caused one of the largest riots in Iran. They emptied our stock of Shahed-131 and Shahed-136 drones. Leech is to put it mildly.

Very childish comment, expecting it only from defeated pahlavists/royalists who carry the western strain of the Russophobia, sinophobia virus, which infects mostly brains of uneducated, old exiles whose kids forgot persian language. Even some non-royalist could be infected by the weaker younger strain of this virus.

It doesn't even get remotely close to your irrelevant, childish comments which show great ignorance about history and strategy. A country that has stabbed Iran in the back more than any other country in the recent history is a great ally according to you lol You just need to look at what Russia has done in the 21st century to see how reliable they are.
A country that low-key waited for Israel to defeat Iran is your ally. What an ally lol
Only followers of a KGB agent like Khamenei would talk like this.

The reality is that multipolarism, global south and rise of east and Asia can't be stopped.

The reality is you're delusional. And the country is paying the price of stupid analysis by delusional people like you. Same people that talked about the "cold winter" of Europe when the Ukraine war started.
You guys think the rise of the East is to counter the Western influence. Nobody else agrees with you. China is not willing to challenge the US. Nor is Russia. The collective East is not going to fight with the collective West for the IR to have a break.

It's you who is rambling with almost 0 knowledge about what's happening in the world, while Iranian shaheds did their job in Ukraine and while NATO-led proxy Israel could not completely finish the dirty work (Libyanization of Iran).

If I have 0 knowledge about what's happening in the world, your knowledge should be evaluated as negative since nearly everything you say is like 180 degrees different from the truth that is happening now. The truth unfolds right in front of you, and you guys try to interpret it exactly in the opposite way of how it is happening.

You talk about Libya. Maybe you should also talk about the fate of Saddam that trusted the Russians.

My position here is clear, we should have nuclear weapons and ICBMs, so maybe you confused me with other member here?

Did I say you were against nuclear weapons or ICBMs?
Unfortunately, the regime you are feverishly supporting their policies has refused to build ICBMs and nuclear weapons for reasons that nobody can understand. We are an advanced country. We have good engineers and scientists. Yet, we do not have ICBMs and nuclear weapons.

It's a fair question to ask why? We have already paid the price by being under sanctions for 22 years. 22 years of sanctions, a deadly 12-day attack on Iran and we do not have nuclear weapons. You guys never explain why this is the case. We have isolated ourselves, have endured and suffered all the consequences of a country like North Korea, but cannot even guarantee our own existence and territorial integrity in case of the increasing and emerging threats that have engulfed us.

 

[ToddE]

Expand on this please, Kim il-Sung was a better leaders than Iran has had in centuries, certainly better than khamenei.

Post 2010s Khamenei is the worst Iranian leader since late Qajars. They atleast had the shame to leave the throne which IRI lacks. Khamenei got lucky that he had a bunch of battle hardened ground soldiers who later turned into effective Generals. They gifted him entire region on a platter stretching from Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon. IRI was at peak in early 2010s post Obama diplomacy era. That was the time Iran should have totally focused on internal socio-economic-military strength to guard these buffer zones that IRGC created for Khamenei led Iran. Instead IRI went into a suicidal mode by not modernising its military or economic infrastructure, not handling its rapidly changing society, constantly bickering with Israel and US over matters that Iran had ZERO stake in. World only understands one language and thats called power. Power of $$$ and military. IRI had both but they instead kept on fingering Israel, US and their local Persian gulf poodles so bunch of Generals, Scientists, figures were taken out, half a trillion USD lost.

Best leader Iran had in last century was Reza Khan Mirpanj, had he not been there the entire North West would have been carved out of Iran. He took over a invaded, famine ridden demoralised state. In few years it was a powerhouse that Nazis and Allies both were eyeing in their camp. Later to Khomeini's credit he kicked USSR+EU+Arab League powered Saddam's ass and saved Iranian land from occupation. Before these the best defacto ruler of Iran was Crown Prince Abbas Mirza Qajar who kept Russia, UK and Ottomans out of Iran simultaneously. Post Khamenei IRI will be worst because internal political conflicts will show up.

Also I don't understand how Kim Jong-Un is more "nationalist" than his predecessors.

Under KJU DPRK has established strategic military outreach which his papa never had an eye for. KJU's DPRK can destroy Japan, South Korea and can even take on Pacific US military Infrastructure. He is also far less ideological and more rational than his stupid dad. Expert on DPRK like Ken Gause did a piece on him how he is transforming DPRK from a hermit kingdom to a less hermit but modern nation with an eye for global strategic games. This guy is arming Russia yet met Trump, could we expect that from his father? Its still poor as hell nation but there is a chance he might capitalise the slow fall of US power in 2030s by making peace with regional foes and focusing on economic development. He is young, has Chinese and Russian backing and has so far shown no sign of irrationality.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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The Zios seem to be hyping something up. They went from regime change in Iran to "Iran has the intention and capability to launch a preemptive attack". What happened to their claim of overthrowing the Iranian govt? They already started running to their Western daddies.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

The United States just stripped a THAAD battery from the UAE to shield Israel.

Washington’s priority signal is clear: Gulf coverage can be thinned, but Tel Aviv’s missile umbrella must stay saturated.

Every redeployment like this is a live admission that Israel cannot weather sustained ballistic fire without U.S. hardware flown in from other theaters, even at the expense of regional allies.

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[Arash]

the average net salary in France (after taxes) is EUR 31,000. do you know the average net salary in Iran?

what does high marginal taxes (and high salaries) have to do with Iran's electricity crisis?

Good to know that surprise statistics are so widespread... I live there... and it's certainly NOT that much.... but keep posting...

 

[Persian Gulf]

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US moves THAAD system from UAE to Israel

 

[Sarhang]

Almost five decades have passed since the monarchists were thrown out and yet these crooked, outdated leftists and radical religious still shake out of fear at the shadow of the mighty Reza Khan and his son...... The men who lifted Iran from absolute poverty. A nation once gripped by tribal chiefs, endless diseases, chaos was turned into a regional power. And they did it with only a fraction of the oil prices compared to today.

All these Russophiles managed to produce is mayhem, destruction, empty slogans, cheap propaganda, and the nonstop looting of national wealth under the guise of combating 'Imperialism'.

Its like they opened the skulls of these Russophiles, took the brain out and stuffed it with PEHEN and then stitched it back again.

If its not that then how can anyone with healthy normal brain cells declare Russia as anything other than a true enemy of Iran? Just because these Russophiles are paralyzed with anti americanism doesnt mean Iran and Russia are in the same trench at all.

These are the same people trying to convince us that Russia is some 'undeniable ally' of Iran while its the only nation in the modern era that actually stole Iranian territory and has been playing a double game ever since.

The only nation in the world with eyes on Irans resources, wealth and territory isnt the US or Israel its Russia. History has already proven this to us and they remain the only ones truly capable of doing it again and again.

We should all be ashamed in the face of history. Decades and centuries from now we will be judged the same way. Just as Khamenei will be remembered by future Iranians 100 years from now we too cannot escape this fact. Everything is recorded, and it will all be there for everyone to see.

 

[Persian Gulf]

still shake out of fear at the shadow of the mighty Reza Khan and his son...... The men who lifted Iran from absolute poverty.

satire?

 

[Sarhang]

satire?

I suggest you read real history. Proper books. And I dont mean this to belittle or discredit you but to show you the unadulterated side that often gets ignored by the pro IR folks.

If you dont like Iranian writers who have a favorable view of the monarchists then I advise you to read books by neutral credible historians. See for yourself what state Iran was in when Reza Khan took over from the Qajars and what state Iran was in when Khomeini took over from his son. That should tell you everything basically.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Theodore Postol | Professor of Nuclear Science and International Security at IMT: Iran Is Now an Undeclared Nuclear Weapons State

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[StrategicBear]

Next round Fattah-2 will be used? Hypersonic most advanced in Iran's arsenal...

 

[Persian Gulf]

I suggest you read real history. Proper books. And I dont mean this to belittle or discredit you but to show you the unadulterated side that often gets ignored by the pro IR folks.

If you dont like Iranian writers who have a favorable view of the monarchists then I advise you to read books by neutral credible historians. See for yourself what state Iran was in when Reza Khan took over from the Qajars and what state Iran was in when Khomeini took over from his son. That should tell you everything basically.

Reza Shah and Mohammad Reza Pahlavi were patriots and brought a lot of good developments to Iran. A lot of negative too but overall positive and they should be respected. They can be compared very favourably to the Islamic Republic in many aspects.

Reza Pahlavi, on the other hand, is scum of the highest order and if he ever dares to enter Iran again (impossible) he should be publicly hanged for treason. I thought you were crediting Reza Pahlavi for doing something positive for Iran, hence my comment. Otherwise, I don't disagree with you (much) on Reza Shah or Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

 

[Sarhang]

Reza Shah and Mohammad Reza Pahlavi were patriots and brought a lot of good developments to Iran. A lot of negative too but overall positive and they should be respected. They can be compared very favourably to the Islamic Republic in many aspects.

Reza Pahlavi, on the other hand, is scum of the highest order and if he ever dares to enter Iran again (impossible) he should be publicly hanged for treason. I thought you were crediting Reza Pahlavi for doing something positive for Iran, hence my comment. Otherwise, I don't disagree with you (much) on Reza Shah or Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.

RP is a lightweight in politics and has had no meaningful effect on the opposition in the past four decades. We can say hes useless.

That’s why I always say the IR is here to stay for a long time unless there’s some major foreign plot. We got no proper opposition to IR.

The real patriotic opposition to the monarchist government the ones who actually had reputation and credibility were people like Bakhtiar who tried to steer things in the right direction. But they were all murdered by IR thugs.

Anyway we digress from the main topic though everything is related itss separated by time.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I suggest you read real history. Proper books. And I dont mean this to belittle or discredit you but to show you the unadulterated side that often gets ignored by the pro IR folks.

If you dont like Iranian writers who have a favorable view of the monarchists then I advise you to read books by neutral credible historians. See for yourself what state Iran was in when Reza Khan took over from the Qajars and what state Iran was in when Khomeini took over from his son. That should tell you everything basically.

His unnecessary courting of Nazi Germany led directly to UK-USSR invasion, which indirectly led us to our current situation. His rule marked the beginning of direct European intervention in Iran which we had avoided for centuries.