Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kastor ville]

With the exception of 1 or 2 people here, I think the overwhelming majority agree Iranian leadership is incompetent. Enough complaining about it.

What do you do now? A coup? Someone from Artesh or Sepah can do it?

Is anyone in IRGC even going to do it, or are they too ideologically committed to rahbar, and the system?

Iranians are naive, they're innocent people, they're not in the habit of questioning people in authority, that's the most important reason why we are in this position...the Westerners are much more suspicious and spiteful of their leaders, which in turn keeps those leaders on their toes.
We on the other hand laud respect on these incompetent fools....instead of bouncing them out of power and replacing them with capable people. Look at the average age of these guys...they're ancient, out of touch, with very little world experience, they're trapped in their bubble and think the world behaves/or thinks like them.

 

[BigMela2onin]

With the exception of 1 or 2 people here, I think the overwhelming majority agree Iranian leadership is incompetent. Enough complaining about it.

What do you do now? A coup? Someone from Artesh or Sepah can do it?

Is anyone in IRGC even going to do it, or are they too ideologically committed to rahbar, and the system?

What can we do other than complain here? We can talk about a coup all day, but that won't make it happen.

Iranians are naive, they're innocent people, they're not in the habit of questioning people in authority, that's the most important reason why we are in this position...the Westerners are much more suspicious and spiteful of their leaders, which in turn keeps those leaders on their toes.
We on the other hand laud respect on these incompetent fools....instead of bouncing them out of power and replacing them with capable people. Look at the average age of these guys...they're ancient, out of touch, with very little world experience, they're trapped in their bubble and think the world behaves/or thinks like them.

Exactly, if Iranians don't want to end up as another Libya or Syria, the culture will need reform and they will need to fight for it. I think more likely they will just accept their circumstances. In time even Afghanistan will surpass us.

 

[ShapurII]

Iranians are naive, they're innocent people, they're not in the habit of questioning people in authority, that's the most important reason why we are in this position...the Westerners are much more suspicious and spiteful of their leaders, which in turn keeps those leaders on their toes.
We on the other hand laud respect on these incompetent fools....instead of bouncing them out of power and replacing them with capable people. Look at the average age of these guys...they're ancient, out of touch, with very little world experience, they're trapped in their bubble and think the world behaves/or thinks like them.

You got to be kidding

Do you realize that the majority of Iranians are against the Ayatollahs?

Do you realize that's why so many Israeli agents have been arrested in Iran during the war? Some people dislike and distrust the Ayatollahs to the point that they're working with the enemy to topple them. And you think Iranians are naive and never question people in authority?

Do you realize PDF is one of the most pro-IR platforms on the internet where Iranians participate and yet everyone here is calling them incompetent?

The IR is losing its last remaining base of supporters. If they cannot defend Iran and prevent Iran from turning into Syria, there is zero doubt that the regime will be toppled either by a foreign invasion or a civil war. The last thing that the IR provided was security and even that seems to be gone now.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Iranians are naive, they're innocent people, they're not in the habit of questioning people in authority, that's the most important reason why we are in this position...the Westerners are much more suspicious and spiteful of their leaders, which in turn keeps those leaders on their toes.
We on the other hand laud respect on these incompetent fools....instead of bouncing them out of power and replacing them with capable people. Look at the average age of these guys...they're ancient, out of touch, with very little world experience, they're trapped in their bubble and think the world behaves/or thinks like them.

Western leaders are failing very badly, in their own way. Euro-slaves wasted all their resources on a war which they're losing and are dependent on daddy US for diplomacy and military and they're doubling down to lose more, they are in deep shit and sinking further. Their societies are divided, EU as a block is divided and may even collapse.
But I agree with you, we're naive and isolated and wanted to become more catholic than the pope (being diplomatic and believing in peace). Our people are kind and innocent for outside world, we need a cultural, political, military and economical revolution. Our incompetent leaders did their best to prevent this.

 

[KingQamaR]

It doesn't matter. They will get bombed anyway, regardless of IAEA presence in the country or not.

There were inspectors in Iran when Israel launched it's attack.

Of course the US get information from the IAEA reports. IAEA are spies.

 

[FUB]

The exact problems arise when unqualified individuals with no education, experience, or expertise are placed in critical positions—problems that are magnified by nepotism and the dominance of inbred ruling clan.

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

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weakness leads to this

on the other hand, Israel destroyed Iran's air defences and reached Tehran after 24 hours, so the Iranian Army and IRGC failed to prepare for the war and their knowledge of their weakness (despite their endless propaganda) is likely the cause for their fear of war in the first place.

It was not Israel alone that attacked and fought against Iran. The Western powers did to Iran the same thing they did to Libya. The jamming of the Iranian communications, including the radars, came from the Western installations in Iran's neighborhood. So if radars are not able to capture objects in the air, the Iranian ADS could not have done much other than relying on what can be seen from the air through the naked eye.

Second, Iran was attacked by an invisible, terrorist army who was inside Iran. Imagine the operator of the Iranian ADS and missile TEL (transporter erector launcher) who was being attacked from the ground and not outside Iranian borders. This menace handicapped Iranian ADS and missile attacks.

Third, most of the Western air forces were also confronting Iranian missile and drone attacks over the airspaces of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq. The efforts the Western powers put up to protect the child-killing state of Israel is unbelievable.

Under those circumstances, Iran still managed to rebel the attack, and forced the Israelis and Western powers to seek ceasefire during the round 1 attack. Israel was not alone in this conflict and will not be alone in any future conflict with Iran.

 

[Shafagh]

You got to be kidding

Do you realize that the majority of Iranians are against the Ayatollahs?

Do you realize that's why so many Israeli agents have been arrested in Iran during the war? Some people dislike and distrust the Ayatollahs to the point that they're working with the enemy to topple them. And you think Iranians are naive and never question people in authority?

Do you realize PDF is one of the most pro-IR platforms on the internet where Iranians participate and yet everyone here is calling them incompetent?

The IR is losing its last remaining base of supporters. If they cannot defend Iran and prevent Iran from turning into Syria, there is zero doubt that the regime will be toppled either by a foreign invasion or a civil war. The last thing that the IR provided was security and even that seems to be gone now.

There are still a few people here committed to I.R. and some of their words are scary. I don't want to know how far they are willing to go, what they are willing to do to Iranians, in order to preserve their leaders.

It's almost like a psychosis. Let this be a learning experience, never ever elect religious leaders into office.

 

[Jalz]

You got to be kidding

Do you realize that the majority of Iranians are against the Ayatollahs?

Do you realize that's why so many Israeli agents have been arrested in Iran during the war? Some people dislike and distrust the Ayatollahs to the point that they're working with the enemy to topple them. And you think Iranians are naive and never question people in authority?

Do you realize PDF is one of the most pro-IR platforms on the internet where Iranians participate and yet everyone here is calling them incompetent?

The IR is losing its last remaining base of supporters. If they cannot defend Iran and prevent Iran from turning into Syria, there is zero doubt that the regime will be toppled either by a foreign invasion or a civil war. The last thing that the IR provided was security and even that seems to be gone now.

After this current conflict with Israel ends Iranians will do regime change themselves. It won't be a civil war either. It will be similar to the Islamic Revolution, where the security forces desert or defect to the revolutionaries. The reason why a revolution hasn't happened is that the opposition is worse than the current government. At least the current government strives for self-sufficiency, the current opposition will sell Iran's industries down the drain in exchange for western products and turn Iran into a consumer colony.

 

[FUB]

This is all propaganda. If they eliminated the terrorists, that would be something. I hope they are preparing for the war with NATO, masquerading as Israel, being the spearhead. This tiny little country controls the entire American surveillance while Iran's leaders are sleeping at the wheel. So much for the Epstein files being a hoax. They issue orders from Israel, and all of the corrupt politicians follow and clap like seals. For some strange reason, the IR clan still thinks that you can negotiate with these creatures.

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[Sarhang]

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how come this command HQ was so safe but the IRGC-ASF HQ was bombed and destroyed in the first 30 minutes?

There are some things that just dont make sense. Or maybe some of the reports are false. Add to that the fact that IR officials lie all the time and it only gets more confusing.

My first question: the bombing of the NSC meeting. That building was an extremely high value target for Israel comparable to the Nasrallah strike but many times more crucial.

So why would Israel only drop six bombs? If you really wanted to make sure the building collapsed and everyone inside was buried (the NY times even reports that Pezeshkian dug himself out through a tiny shaft with his bare hands) why stop at six?

You wiuld drop at least twenty.


So was Israel messing around? Or was there more going on than we are being told?


Compare to the Nasrallah strike ;

The New York Times (via JNS) noted at least a dozen (≈12) 2,000-lb bombs, while two Israeli defense officials suggested more than 80 bombs were dropped within minutes.

Israel really wanted him dead and they made sure of it.

Some action from Israel clearly happened at that NSC meeting but when you add everything up it just dont make sense.

 

[ShapurII]

After this current conflict with Israel ends Iranians will do regime change themselves. It won't be a civil war either. It will be similar to the Islamic Revolution, where the security forces desert or defect to the revolutionaries. The reason why a revolution hasn't happened is that the opposition is worse than the current government. At least the current government strives for self-sufficiency, the current opposition will sell Iran's industries down the drain in exchange for western products and turn Iran into a consumer colony.

The system does not allow any sort of change. The idea of Artesh or Sepah defecting is not realistic in my opinion.

Honestly, I really thought the IR would allow some sort of political freedom after the 12-day war. We're literally back to square one again. It seems that the regime wants to continue this path until the very end. They seem to think that even one more year of leeching off Iranians is better than giving up.
However, this time is different. The 1979 Iran was not considered to be an enemy of the West. Sure, they wanted to interfere in Iran and secure their interests even at our expense at times, but they didn't want to destroy Iran. The 2025 Iran is considered to be an enemy of the West. I believe the West will not let leave Iran alone anymore. They will interfere in Iran until Iran is in complete chaos and disarray.

 

[Jalz]

The system does not allow any sort of change. The idea of Artesh or Sepah defecting is not realistic in my opinion.

Honestly, I really thought the IR would allow some sort of political freedom after the 12-day war. We're literally back to square one again. It seems that the regime wants to continue this path until the very end. They seem to think that even one more year of leeching off Iranians is better than giving up.
However, this time is different. The 1979 Iran was not considered to be an enemy of the West. Sure, they wanted to interfere in Iran and secure their interests even at our expense at times, but they didn't want to destroy Iran. The 2025 Iran is considered to be an enemy of the West. I believe the West will not let leave Iran alone anymore. They will interfere in Iran until Iran is in complete chaos and disarray.

Depends. The US left russia alone in the 90s despite being the greatest enemy of the west before the soviet unions collapse.

 

[Bharatah]

Forum moderators must be aware of the widespread Zionist propaganda occurring on this forum. This ranges from bizarre fake news to narratives of victory, etc. The objective is to fabricate the idea that "Israel" won or is winning, when we know this is not true: Killing women, children, and civilians is NOT WINNING A WAR; otherwise, the US won the Vietnam War.

A war is won when a political objective is achieved, and what is Zionism's objective? Netanyahu/Likud just said in a video that he will create "the great Israel". So goals are:

- Destruction of all Muslims/Islam
- Annihilation of the Palestinian people and cause
- Destruction of the Al Aqsa Mosque
- Disarmament of adversaries
- Great "israel"

As we can see, this is far from the case. On the contrary, the Palestinian cause has become global, islam bigger, new weapons in muslims hands, new nuclear projects and etc.

NOTE: A narrative of victory is not a real victory. "Israel" said it won the Six-Day War, but the war continues to this day...

 

[Sarhang]

After this current conflict with Israel ends Iranians will do regime change themselves. It won't be a civil war either. It will be similar to the Islamic Revolution, where the security forces desert or defect to the revolutionaries. The reason why a revolution hasn't happened is that the opposition is worse than the current government. At least the current government strives for self-sufficiency, the current opposition will sell Iran's industries down the drain in exchange for western products and turn Iran into a consumer colony.

What do you mean after this current conflict with Israel ends?

The IR has made the destruction of Israel its central slogan since 1979. How can the IR even continue to exist without that as its top policy? Its built into its DNA, the IR will always be on a war footing with Israel, unless it changes face completely. But if that happens its not the IR anymore