Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shafagh]

The system does not allow any sort of change. The idea of Artesh or Sepah defecting is not realistic in my opinion.

Honestly, I really thought the IR would allow some sort of political freedom after the 12-day war. We're literally back to square one again. It seems that the regime wants to continue this path until the very end. They seem to think that even one more year of leeching off Iranians is better than giving up.
However, this time is different. The 1979 Iran was not considered to be an enemy of the West. Sure, they wanted to interfere in Iran and secure their interests even at our expense at times, but they didn't want to destroy Iran. The 2025 Iran is considered to be an enemy of the West. I believe the West will not let leave Iran alone anymore. They will interfere in Iran until Iran is in complete chaos and disarray.

You are correct. There is no future where the west will allow an independent, or even stable Iran. The only way is to pivot east.

 

[KingQamaR]

It was not Israel alone that attacked and fought against Iran. The Western powers did to Iran the same thing they did to Libya. The jamming of the Iranian communications, including the radars, came from the Western installations in Iran's neighborhood. So if radars are not able to capture objects in the air, the Iranian ADS could not have done much other than relying on what can be seen from the air through the naked eye.

Second, Iran was attacked by an invisible, terrorist army who was inside Iran. Imagine the operator of the Iranian ADS and missile TEL (transporter erector launcher) who was being attacked from the ground and not outside Iranian borders. This menace handicapped Iranian ADS and missile attacks.

Third, most of the Western air forces were also confronting Iranian missile and drone attacks over the airspaces of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq. The efforts the Western powers put up to protect the child-killing state of Israel is unbelievable.

Under those circumstances, Iran still managed to rebel the attack, and forced the Israelis and Western powers to seek ceasefire during the round 1 attack. Israel was not alone in this conflict and will not be alone in any future conflict with Iran.

Despite all that defence, Iran was able to reach the heart of Tel Aviv , very easily.

 

[Jalz]

They didn't leave Russia alone. The NATO never stopped encircling Russia even after the collapse of the USSR. The reason that the Russia-Europe relations have reached this point is exactly that. Russia went through a period of extreme instability and humiliation under Yeltsin that changed only after Putin came back to power, and mainly thanks to rising energy prices at the time.

If you remember, Medvedev really tried to improve Russia-West relations. The West gave Russia the cold shoulder and now Medvedev constantly threatens the West with nuclear war.

I think what you are referring to is that the US/West did not try to destroy Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, but that's because they couldn't. Russia has been the largest nuclear state for decades. It's not like they didn't want to. If you doubt the West's intention of destroying Russia, look at what they did to Russia after the October revolution in WWI. They almost destroyed Russia, until an authoritarian fascist like Stalin came back to power. Unfortunately, Iran is not a nuclear state. So, apples and oranges.

They fought in the russian civilwar to stop the rise of communism. Also Iran is not the same as russia. Iran is far less important than Russia. Russia was the enemy of the west for the past century. Iran will never have ability to put up the same fight against the west and the soviet union did. If a new government takes power in Iran, Iran will just become another turkey or saudi arabia. A neutral state that cares only about itself and will collaborate with anyone to achieve that goal.

 

[Shafagh]

Despite all that defence, Iran was able to reach the heart of Tel Aviv , very easily.

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

 

[ShapurII]

They fought in the russian civilwar to stop the rise of communism. Also Iran is not the same as russia. Iran is far less important than Russia. Russia was the enemy of the west for the past century. Iran will never have ability to put up the same fight against the west and the soviet union did. If a new government takes power in Iran, Iran will just become another turkey or saudi arabia. A neutral state that cares only about itself and will collaborate with anyone to achieve that goal.

You are assuming that the West will allow an independent Iran to exist. Forget about independent. I believe the collective West will no longer allow Iran to exist in its current form.

Russia was never a true enemy of the West. The Russians have always desired to be accepted as a European power, but rejected by the Western Europeans. In fact, Russia has saved Western Europe multiple times. The Russians saved Western Europeans from both Napoleon and Hitler, for example. What did they get in return? Misery and death. Iran has a sad story, but so does Russia. No country has suffered more than Russia in both WWI and WWII, I believe.

 

[Jalz]

You are assuming that the West will allow an independent Iran to exist. Forget about independent. I believe the collective West will no longer allow Iran to exist in its current form.

Russia was never a true enemy of the West. The Russians have always desired to be accepted as a European power, but rejected by the Western Europeans. In fact, Russia has saved Western Europe multiple times. The Russians saved Western Europeans from both Napoleon and Hitler, for example. What did they get in return? Misery and death. Iran has a sad story, but so does Russia. No country has suffered more than Russia in both WWI and WWII, I believe.

Maybe. An ideologically anti-western government rules Iran in its current form. Also Russia under the soviet union was the Wests biggest enemy. Iran threat to the west is very small. We are Israel biggest threat but Iranians have no inherent hatred for Israel. Majority of Iranians could care less about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Unlike Arabs who hold a racial hatred of Israel because Israel colonizes their lands. Israel has always sought to improve relations with non arab states. It's why Israel and Turkey were friends up until it suddenly became cool to support the Palestinians in 2022.

 

[Sarhang]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

Add to that the fact that the units launching the missiles are at constant risk of being killed its basically a real life whack-a mole game.

We dont have any real air defenses to counter IAF jets, unfortunately. A few drones got shot down and that lifted morale a bit but overall the situation is still pretty dark.

We should pray to God that a second round doesnt happen.

 

[PakAl]

If Trump is dead, Israeli plans to attack Iran may be postponed and Iran should thank God for being given time to prepare. Although, as I said, JD Vance may still give Israel the greenlight for whatever support they're seeking for the resumption of war.

Trump is the one who was opposing the war, even had to swear live on camera trying to stop this war. If Trump is gone we will witness another attack on Iran, and Usa will be more involved.

 

[FUB]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

People need to stop with this Hasbara BS about interception rates. The interception rate was a fantasy. Most interceptions were decoys. This was an American operation with Israel being involved. The real target is China's Belt and Road. We can only hope to see the cloud soon. Iran is a nuclear-weapon state. You can't get any more pro-Zionist than CSIS. Summary below

1-Iran preserved much of its nuclear knowledge and engineering workforce.
2-Underground facilities at Fordow were largely unaffected
3-DIA’s leaked “limited effect” report (written with low confidence) should not be over-interpreted.
4- underground sites remain active.
5-Fate of 400 kg of 60% enriched uranium — enough for 9–10 bombs if taken to weapons-grade. Location unknown
6-The program’s future depends on whether Iran rebuilds openly, covertly, or accepts diplomatic limits.

Damage to Iran’s Nuclear Program—Can It Rebuild?

U.S. and Israeli strikes imposed significant damage on Iran’s nuclear sites but failed to eliminate its program. The fate of Tehran’s nuclear ambitions now rests on a political decision, creating a window for diplomacy.

www.csis.org

 

[ShapurII]

Maybe. An ideologically anti-western government rules Iran in its current form. Also Russia under the soviet union was the Wests biggest enemy. Iran threat to the west is very small. We are Israel biggest threat but Iranians have no inherent hatred for Israel. Majority of Iranians could care less about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Unlike Arabs who hold a racial hatred of Israel because Israel colonizes their lands. Israel has always sought to improve relations with non arab states. It's why Israel and Turkey were friends up until it suddenly became cool to support the Palestinians in 2022.

Even the Soviet Union wasn't entirely anti-West until the West started to interfere in its backyard. The West labeled the Soviet Union as non-democratic and challenged communism as it was ideologically different from capitalism. See? As soon as their alliance ended, the West picked a new reason for animosity with Russia.

Iran is almost 3 times larger than Turkey and we are an energy super power. Also, Iran has shown that it is capable of turning into an enemy of the West. I don't think they would let that go easily. Even today's Turkey has been severely weakened by the West. I mean, today's Turkey is the successor of the Ottoman Empire, isn't it? The British and the French ganged up on Turkey and weakened them to the point that they lost their influence in West Asia and Eastern Europe and turned into a tamed middle regional power from an almost global power that actively participated in WWI.

 

[ShapurII]

Trump is the one who was opposing the war, even had to swear live on camera trying to stop this war. If Trump is gone we will witness another attack on Iran, and Usa will be more involved.

Not really. Trump is the one who covered up for Israeli preparations for the war through negotiations.

Trump's only excuse for not wanting a war with Iran was the risk of losing American soldiers. Didn't you see how proudly and happily he talked about bombing Iran right after hitting Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow?

 

[Shafagh]

People need to stop with this Hasbara BS about interception rates. The interception rate was a fantasy. Most interceptions were decoys. This was an American operation with Israel being involved. The real target is China's Belt and Road. We can only hope to see the cloud soon. Iran is a nuclear-weapon state. You can't get any more pro-Zionist than CSIS. Summary below

1-Iran preserved much of its nuclear knowledge and engineering workforce.
2-Underground facilities at Fordow were largely unaffected
3-DIA’s leaked “limited effect” report (written with low confidence) should not be over-interpreted.
4- underground sites remain active.
5-Fate of 400 kg of 60% enriched uranium — enough for 9–10 bombs if taken to weapons-grade. Location unknown
6-The program’s future depends on whether Iran rebuilds openly, covertly, or accepts diplomatic limits.

Damage to Iran’s Nuclear Program—Can It Rebuild?

U.S. and Israeli strikes imposed significant damage on Iran’s nuclear sites but failed to eliminate its program. The fate of Tehran’s nuclear ambitions now rests on a political decision, creating a window for diplomacy.

www.csis.org

If what you say is true, there won't be a round 2. If they do initiate round 2, Iran didn't deter anything. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

I think you are greatly overestimating Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

If what you say is true, there won't be a round 2. If they do initiate round 2, Iran didn't deter anything. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

I think you are greatly overestimating Iran.

10 weeks later, we cannot even dig the debris out to see what has happened to our nuclear facilities and he thinks our HEU is safe and the future of it depends on us lol

Imagine begging the E3 for below 1% enrichment and still getting rejected and you think the future is in your hands lmao You can't make this shit up

 

[KingQamaR]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

To me it’s clear that Iran used the initial less advanced missiles to reduce Israeli air defences, while their actual striking campaign only started with the use of the advanced missiles without being able to prevent it, be it with Air Defence or Zionists offensive strikes on Iran.

 

[Shafagh]

To me it’s clear that Iran used the initial less advanced missiles to reduce Israeli air defences, while their actual striking campaign only started with the use of the advanced missiles without being able to prevent it, be it with Air Defence or Zionists offensive strikes on Iran.

It doesn't matter what Iran used. If Israeli jets continued hitting Iran right up until the final hour on day 12, then Iranian missiles did not, or insufficiently detered Israel. After a few weeks, some new satellite imagery surfaced, which revealed undisclosed damage to Israel, and Al Udeid air base in Qatar.

But nothing major like destroyed airbases, destroyed Israeli jets on tarmacs.

It is possible Israel didn't lose a single fighter jet.

We will see in the coming days or weeks if a second attack occurs.