Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shafagh]

They are not

Western leaders are failing very badly, in their own way. Euro-slaves wasted all their resources on a war which they're losing and are dependent on daddy US for diplomacy and military and they're doubling down to lose more, they are in deep shit and sinking further. Their societies are divided, EU as a block is divided and may even collapse.
But I agree with you, we're naive and isolated and wanted to become more catholic than the pope (being diplomatic and believing in peace). Our people are kind and innocent for outside world, we need a cultural, political, military and economical revolution. Our incompetent leaders did their best to prevent this.

I am leaving for Japan very soon, but I still live in Canada.

The problems in EU are coming here, and I can tell you for certain, they are not failing. They are manufacturing crisis in order to bring in a one world government. Our government here is very much committed to this movement. I recommend you read into some things such as UN Agenda 21.

There is a concerted effort to do the following things:

-De-industrialization
-Compartmentalization of societies in order to break people up, make for a lack of unified society, no shared beliefs unless they are what the government and media push
-Regulation and destruction of the traditional agricultural systems under the guise of climate change
-Destruction of the family and pushing of LGBT identity politics as a means again of compartmentalizing society, reducing population growth
-Introduction of mass immigration to create new socio-economic subclasses and create the environment for racial conflict, in which the government will step in and introduce legislations combatting free speech, and restricting people's voices, allowing government overreach in people's lives; e.g freezing bank accounts for hate speech, incitement of violence etc.

This is just a sample of what you and I are seeing.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

entity physical presence inside IR(commando units) diluted because of Trump's action

jason raza jorjani (anti regime activist and satanist)

 

[Jalz]

What do you mean after this current conflict with Israel ends?

The IR has made the destruction of Israel its central slogan since 1979. How can the IR even continue to exist without that as its top policy? Its built into its DNA, the IR will always be on a war footing with Israel, unless it changes face completely. But if that happens its not the IR anymore

I was referring to the current hot war with Israel. And the IR leadership cares more about self-preservation than anything else. If they have to withdraw from this conflict they will.

 

[ShapurII]

Depends. The US left russia alone in the 90s despite being the greatest enemy of the west before the soviet unions collapse.

They didn't leave Russia alone. The NATO never stopped encircling Russia even after the collapse of the USSR. The reason that the Russia-Europe relations have reached this point is exactly that. Russia went through a period of extreme instability and humiliation under Yeltsin that changed only after Putin came back to power, and mainly thanks to rising energy prices in the early 21st century, particularly after the Iraq war.

If you remember, Medvedev really tried to improve Russia-West relations. The West gave Russia the cold shoulder and now Medvedev constantly threatens the West with nuclear war.

I think what you are referring to is that the US/West did not try to destroy Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, but that's because they couldn't. Russia has been the largest nuclear state for decades. It's not like they didn't want to. If you doubt the West's intention of destroying Russia, look at what they did to Russia after the October revolution in WWI. They almost destroyed Russia, until an authoritarian fascist like Stalin came back to power. Unfortunately, Iran is not a nuclear state. So, apples and oranges.

 

[Shafagh]

The system does not allow any sort of change. The idea of Artesh or Sepah defecting is not realistic in my opinion.

Honestly, I really thought the IR would allow some sort of political freedom after the 12-day war. We're literally back to square one again. It seems that the regime wants to continue this path until the very end. They seem to think that even one more year of leeching off Iranians is better than giving up.
However, this time is different. The 1979 Iran was not considered to be an enemy of the West. Sure, they wanted to interfere in Iran and secure their interests even at our expense at times, but they didn't want to destroy Iran. The 2025 Iran is considered to be an enemy of the West. I believe the West will not let leave Iran alone anymore. They will interfere in Iran until Iran is in complete chaos and disarray.

You are correct. There is no future where the west will allow an independent, or even stable Iran. The only way is to pivot east.

 

[KingQamaR]

It was not Israel alone that attacked and fought against Iran. The Western powers did to Iran the same thing they did to Libya. The jamming of the Iranian communications, including the radars, came from the Western installations in Iran's neighborhood. So if radars are not able to capture objects in the air, the Iranian ADS could not have done much other than relying on what can be seen from the air through the naked eye.

Second, Iran was attacked by an invisible, terrorist army who was inside Iran. Imagine the operator of the Iranian ADS and missile TEL (transporter erector launcher) who was being attacked from the ground and not outside Iranian borders. This menace handicapped Iranian ADS and missile attacks.

Third, most of the Western air forces were also confronting Iranian missile and drone attacks over the airspaces of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq. The efforts the Western powers put up to protect the child-killing state of Israel is unbelievable.

Under those circumstances, Iran still managed to rebel the attack, and forced the Israelis and Western powers to seek ceasefire during the round 1 attack. Israel was not alone in this conflict and will not be alone in any future conflict with Iran.

Despite all that defence, Iran was able to reach the heart of Tel Aviv , very easily.

 

[Jalz]

They didn't leave Russia alone. The NATO never stopped encircling Russia even after the collapse of the USSR. The reason that the Russia-Europe relations have reached this point is exactly that. Russia went through a period of extreme instability and humiliation under Yeltsin that changed only after Putin came back to power, and mainly thanks to rising energy prices at the time.

If you remember, Medvedev really tried to improve Russia-West relations. The West gave Russia the cold shoulder and now Medvedev constantly threatens the West with nuclear war.

I think what you are referring to is that the US/West did not try to destroy Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, but that's because they couldn't. Russia has been the largest nuclear state for decades. It's not like they didn't want to. If you doubt the West's intention of destroying Russia, look at what they did to Russia after the October revolution in WWI. They almost destroyed Russia, until an authoritarian fascist like Stalin came back to power. Unfortunately, Iran is not a nuclear state. So, apples and oranges.

They fought in the russian civilwar to stop the rise of communism. Also Iran is not the same as russia. Iran is far less important than Russia. Russia was the enemy of the west for the past century. Iran will never have ability to put up the same fight against the west and the soviet union did. If a new government takes power in Iran, Iran will just become another turkey or saudi arabia. A neutral state that cares only about itself and will collaborate with anyone to achieve that goal.

 

[Shafagh]

Despite all that defence, Iran was able to reach the heart of Tel Aviv , very easily.

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

 

[ShapurII]

They fought in the russian civilwar to stop the rise of communism. Also Iran is not the same as russia. Iran is far less important than Russia. Russia was the enemy of the west for the past century. Iran will never have ability to put up the same fight against the west and the soviet union did. If a new government takes power in Iran, Iran will just become another turkey or saudi arabia. A neutral state that cares only about itself and will collaborate with anyone to achieve that goal.

You are assuming that the West will allow an independent Iran to exist. Forget about independent. I believe the collective West will no longer allow Iran to exist in its current form.

Russia was never a true enemy of the West. The Russians have always desired to be accepted as a European power, but rejected by the Western Europeans. In fact, Russia has saved Western Europe multiple times. The Russians saved Western Europeans from both Napoleon and Hitler, for example. What did they get in return? Misery and death. Iran has a sad story, but so does Russia. No country has suffered more than Russia in both WWI and WWII, I believe.

 

[Jalz]

You are assuming that the West will allow an independent Iran to exist. Forget about independent. I believe the collective West will no longer allow Iran to exist in its current form.

Russia was never a true enemy of the West. The Russians have always desired to be accepted as a European power, but rejected by the Western Europeans. In fact, Russia has saved Western Europe multiple times. The Russians saved Western Europeans from both Napoleon and Hitler, for example. What did they get in return? Misery and death. Iran has a sad story, but so does Russia. No country has suffered more than Russia in both WWI and WWII, I believe.

Maybe. An ideologically anti-western government rules Iran in its current form. Also Russia under the soviet union was the Wests biggest enemy. Iran threat to the west is very small. We are Israel biggest threat but Iranians have no inherent hatred for Israel. Majority of Iranians could care less about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Unlike Arabs who hold a racial hatred of Israel because Israel colonizes their lands. Israel has always sought to improve relations with non arab states. It's why Israel and Turkey were friends up until it suddenly became cool to support the Palestinians in 2022.

 

[Sarhang]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

Add to that the fact that the units launching the missiles are at constant risk of being killed its basically a real life whack-a mole game.

We dont have any real air defenses to counter IAF jets, unfortunately. A few drones got shot down and that lifted morale a bit but overall the situation is still pretty dark.

We should pray to God that a second round doesnt happen.

 

[PakAl]

If Trump is dead, Israeli plans to attack Iran may be postponed and Iran should thank God for being given time to prepare. Although, as I said, JD Vance may still give Israel the greenlight for whatever support they're seeking for the resumption of war.

Trump is the one who was opposing the war, even had to swear live on camera trying to stop this war. If Trump is gone we will witness another attack on Iran, and Usa will be more involved.

 

[FUB]

Not very easily. It takes 15-20 missiles launched for 2-3 getting through. That is 85% interception rate.

After all those interceptions, the missiles that get through are not delivering much damage.

I think part of this is they thought they needed to play the long game with Israel, and decided to ration missiles, sending small salvos, with both sides racing to see who would run out first.

People need to stop with this Hasbara BS about interception rates. The interception rate was a fantasy. Most interceptions were decoys. This was an American operation with Israel being involved. The real target is China's Belt and Road. We can only hope to see the cloud soon. Iran is a nuclear-weapon state. You can't get any more pro-Zionist than CSIS. Summary below

1-Iran preserved much of its nuclear knowledge and engineering workforce.
2-Underground facilities at Fordow were largely unaffected
3-DIA’s leaked “limited effect” report (written with low confidence) should not be over-interpreted.
4- underground sites remain active.
5-Fate of 400 kg of 60% enriched uranium — enough for 9–10 bombs if taken to weapons-grade. Location unknown
6-The program’s future depends on whether Iran rebuilds openly, covertly, or accepts diplomatic limits.

Damage to Iran’s Nuclear Program—Can It Rebuild?

U.S. and Israeli strikes imposed significant damage on Iran’s nuclear sites but failed to eliminate its program. The fate of Tehran’s nuclear ambitions now rests on a political decision, creating a window for diplomacy.

www.csis.org

 

[ShapurII]

Maybe. An ideologically anti-western government rules Iran in its current form. Also Russia under the soviet union was the Wests biggest enemy. Iran threat to the west is very small. We are Israel biggest threat but Iranians have no inherent hatred for Israel. Majority of Iranians could care less about the Israel-Palestine conflict. Unlike Arabs who hold a racial hatred of Israel because Israel colonizes their lands. Israel has always sought to improve relations with non arab states. It's why Israel and Turkey were friends up until it suddenly became cool to support the Palestinians in 2022.

Even the Soviet Union wasn't entirely anti-West until the West started to interfere in its backyard. The West labeled the Soviet Union as non-democratic and challenged communism as it was ideologically different from capitalism. See? As soon as their alliance ended, the West picked a new reason for animosity with Russia.

Iran is almost 3 times larger than Turkey and we are an energy super power. Also, Iran has shown that it is capable of turning into an enemy of the West. I don't think they would let that go easily. Even today's Turkey has been severely weakened by the West. I mean, today's Turkey is the successor of the Ottoman Empire, isn't it? The British and the French ganged up on Turkey and weakened them to the point that they lost their influence in West Asia and Eastern Europe and turned into a tamed middle regional power from an almost global power that actively participated in WWI.

 

[ShapurII]

Trump is the one who was opposing the war, even had to swear live on camera trying to stop this war. If Trump is gone we will witness another attack on Iran, and Usa will be more involved.

Not really. Trump is the one who covered up for Israeli preparations for the war through negotiations.

Trump's only excuse for not wanting a war with Iran was the risk of losing American soldiers. Didn't you see how proudly and happily he talked about bombing Iran right after hitting Natanz, Isfahan and Fordow?