India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[samsite84]

The logic is correct...but we have already accepted the loss of the technicians and pilots in the Saab hanger..even during our press conference we accepted that india attacked the hanger and the Saab was damaged...there were no other personal loss as far as there is public info to see..if there had been we would have posted more pictures like we did with the Saab case....We have already learned to repair sliced up airframes of large aircrafts due to the attacks on our facilities by terrorists....

I recognize that PAF accepted that hangar was hit. My issue is with people claiming S-400 damage when there were technical repairs and then turning around and saying no significant (only airframe) damage even when PAF personnel lost lives. How can you take a circumstantial evidence (which is also a stretch) to say S-400 must have been hit and then not apply the same logic (with same intensity) to your backyard.

 

[kimjongun]

I recognize that PAF accepted that hangar was hit. My issue is with people claiming S-400 damage when there were technical repairs and then turning around and saying no significant (only airframe) damage even when PAF personnel lost lives. How can you take a circumstantial evidence (which is also a stretch) to say S-400 must have been hit and then not apply the same logic (with same intensity) to your backyard.

whenever an aircraft is parked in an hanger or is on standby the crew doesn't sit inside the aircraft waiting to be ordered but they are either sitting in the hanger or in a building for rapid response..as said by the retired airmarshal(on a podcast) that when the brahmos landed on the hanger the crew ran to see the damage/check the aircraft and to secure it...and then a second brahmos came which was fatal to the crew...the technical repiars thing was also said for the hanger in shahbaz saying that all the f16 were destroyed BS...although it was emptied way before the strikes...this repair thing was also seen in the earlier iran and israel conflict when multiple ad systems of iran were damged by isreal but later repairs were done to bring them back online....

 

[TAC]

We all know that, this never happens in the real world. No country has ever done such a thing and the reasons are known to all of us.

Would Pakistan release the picture of the damaged Saab, to show how little damage has been done to it, in the Brahmos strike at its hangar? Or line up all its aircraft and invite credible press to count them and punch a hole in the IAF story of shooting down fighters or destroying them in the hangar? It wouldn’t happen ever.

What is definitely surprising is IAF releasing details of attacks in a gradual manner with seemingly credible proof. I am not talking about IAF chief’s claim about shooting down fighters but attack on ground targets.

If true then, this would create a little doubt about ISPR’s earlier claims of shooting down or soft kill of most of the weapons fired by India and only few were able to penetrate the PAK AD.

If the number of weapons fired was indeed less than 50, then with each such release by the IAF, it appears that more number of missiles found their mark and only a minuscule numbers were intercepted.

Fully understand why you need to keep clutching at every straw u can grab to ‘create a little doubt about ISPR’s earlier claims’ as it helps u cope with IAF humbling and humiliation in the air but at least ISPR took a clear stance on its losses (incidentally confirmed by multiple reliable sources including independents) as opposed shameless ‘operation is ongoing’ and ‘numbers do not matter’.
Regardless what’s your thoughts on your AC’s comical lies about shooting down 6 PAF jets including a big one? If the stand off ground attacks were as successful as u hope and prey, why did he have to make such a blatant lie?
Shameless AC by the way, should’ve resigned long a ago if he had an iota of dignity.

 

[Vkdindian1]

whenever an aircraft is parked in an hanger or is on standby the crew doesn't sit inside the aircraft waiting to be ordered but they are either sitting in the hanger or in a building for rapid response..as said by the retired airmarshal(on a podcast) that when the brahmos landed on the hanger the crew ran to see the damage/check the aircraft and to secure it...and then a second brahmos came which was fatal to the crew...the technical repiars thing was also said for the hanger in shahbaz saying that all the f16 were destroyed BS...although it was emptied way before the strikes...this repair thing was also seen in the earlier iran and israel conflict when multiple ad systems of iran were damged by isreal but later repairs were done to bring them back online....

Did two missiles strike that hangar? From the Sat pictures, there appears to be only one hole in the roof of that hangar.

 

[kimjongun]

Did two missiles strike that hangar? From the Sat pictures, there appears to be only one hole in the roof of that hangar.

see i don't know any critical info/confidential info to begin with i am just saying what i saw the clip of on the internet...no one knew saab was damaged in the hanger before the retired airmarshal told the interviewer in a podcast....but there were deffo more then 1 brahmos...maybe other experienced members could tell you about this..

 

[side-winder]

Did two missiles strike that hangar? From the Sat pictures, there appears to be only one hole in the roof of that hangar.

Only 1 hit.

see i don't know any critical info/confidential info to begin with i am just saying what i saw the clip of on the internet...no one knew saab was damaged in the hanger before the retired airmarshal told the interviewer in a podcast....but there were deffo more then 1 brahmos...maybe other experienced members could tell you about this..

Bro - it takes about 4-6 minutes for the missile to reach the target. By that time - the sirens are sounding in whole base.

Now the circumstances for casualties would be determined by the inquiry. Did they choose to secure aircraft instead of taking shelter in a trench or getting out in open - or is there something more to it.

 

[Hayabusa]

Did two missiles strike that hangar? From the Sat pictures, there appears to be only one hole in the roof of that hangar.

From your point of view,

What do you think of the Pakistani claimed strike on S-400?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Only 1 hit.


Bro - it takes about 4-6 minutes for the missile to reach the target. By that time - the sirens are sounding in whole base.

Now the circumstances for casualties would be determined by the inquiry. Did they choose to secure aircraft instead of taking shelter in a trench or getting out in open - or is there something more to it.

as per IAF, 'it took only 50 missiles to call it a ceasefire'


of course, if you discount May 7th air battle!

no doubt! it took 50 missiles, if you are blind as a pole!

 

[mythbuster]

One thing is rankling me for sometime , I will appreciate if someone can clarify it ........JF 17 also carries PL 15 , how come it didn't launch any missile and have a kill to it's name

 

[Vkdindian1]

From your point of view,

What do you think of the Pakistani claimed strike on S-400?

Not my point of view but pov of experts like @side-winder.

Claims are claims till a credible evidence is produced. There are none regarding S400, other than circumstantial ones. Being a highly mobile system, I doubt that anything more would come out regarding S400.

 

[Hayabusa]

Not my point of view but pov of experts like @side-winder.

Claims are claims till a credible evidence is produced. There are none regarding S400, other than circumstantial ones. Being a highly mobile system, I doubt that anything more would come out regarding S400.

Fair enough. Thanks for sharing.

 

[TopGun786]

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How an Indian journalist claims that he himself knows from his sources that 3 IAF Rafales were shot down (apparently he doesn't know about the 4th Rafale which was written off as video is a bit old imo).

 

[niubi]

One thing is rankling me for sometime , I will appreciate if someone can clarify it ........JF 17 also carries PL 15 , how come it didn't launch any missile and have a kill to it's name

I think JF-17 doesn't have the networking, radar spoofing and overall jamming capabilities of the J-10CE's internal EW suite. The J-10CE also has a considerably better radar than even the block 3 JF-17.

This raises a question of concern for PAF's acquisition though. Why even bother with JF-17 block 3? I would answer this thought with the obvious conclusions. The block 3 is Pakistan's own and they can build block 3 themselves. They may have wanted to use J-10CE in this combat for whatever reason perhaps even if block 3 JF-17 was able to perform this role instead of J-10CE. They just wanted to be safe maybe and use the most capable air to air platform PAF had. Who knows.

Maybe the block 3 JF-17 is purchased to be a number filler and is just so much cheaper than importing J-10CE. Maybe it can perform the PL-15E launch and let other platforms guide it just as well as J-10CE but it doesn't fly quite as well and PAF chose not to risk anything this first time it went up against dozens of IAF's best platforms - Rafales, Su-30MKI, Mig-29, Mirage 2000s.

 

[mythbuster]

I think JF-17 doesn't have the networking, radar spoofing and overall jamming capabilities of the J-10CE's internal EW suite. The J-10CE also has a considerably better radar than even the block 3 JF-17.

This raises a question of concern for PAF's acquisition though. Why even bother with JF-17 block 3? I would answer this thought with the obvious conclusions. The block 3 is Pakistan's own and they can build block 3 themselves. They may have wanted to use J-10CE in this combat for whatever reason perhaps even if block 3 JF-17 was able to perform this role instead of J-10CE. They just wanted to be safe maybe and use the most capable air to air platform PAF had. Who knows.

Maybe the block 3 JF-17 is purchased to be a number filler and is just so much cheaper than importing J-10CE. Maybe it can perform the PL-15E launch and let other platforms guide it just as well as J-10CE but it doesn't fly quite as well and PAF chose not to risk anything this first time it went up against dozens of IAF's best platforms - Rafales, Su-30MKI, Mig-29, Mirage 2000s.

Thanks for the comprehensive analysis , though it spooked me out a bit.