Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

Capitulation could potentially happen if this second round ends up with Iranian military performing badly.

They already capitulated, it's the whites that keep things going. Look at jewlani who every 5 seconds screams about how much he loves jews but they keep bombing Syria for fun. The same thing is going to happen to Iran.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I agree. There's just too much copium. The main building of the IRIB is also a good example. 4 bombs were dropped there, at least.

We already know they flew over Azerbaijan and bombed from the Caspian coast. There was never a single video of jew planes over Tehran but their drop tanks were found in the north.

 

[ShapurII]

We already know they flew over Azerbaijan and bombed from the Caspian coast. There was never a single video of jew planes over Tehran but their drop tanks were found in the north.

Wasn't there a video that looked like to be from Ekbatan or at least somewhere in Tehran and it showed a jet fighter using flares? I think @Persian Gulf had posted it. The date was Khordad 27 or something, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Immortals]

I agree. There's just too much copium. The main building of the IRIB is also a good example. 4 bombs were dropped there, at least.

People honestly think drones did this?

 

[Immortals]

They already capitulated, it's the whites that keep things going. Look at jewlani who every 5 seconds screams about how much he loves jews but they keep bombing Syria for fun. The same thing is going to happen to Iran.

Well there is no need for them to stop. Unless you get a George Bush Persian Gulf War I moment where they decide going all the way is just too much of a headache.

Right now Bibi can fulfill his life long dream of removing Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Hezbollah, and Iran.

He has already removed everyone except HZ and Iran. And both these countries are on life support.

I blame alot of users on here who listened to charlatans like Jauk and SalarHaqq who spread brainwashed propaganda to fool people that Iran was “winning” this battle.

These types of people also exist in the power structures of the republic as “yes men” (Salami being a major one). These men did irrefutable harm to Iran and the current state of affairs.

The warning signs were all there, but people rather believe that the country who’s economy was worth less than 500B and who’s currency had devalued by 100x in 20 years was somehow a military “super power” capable of confronting Israel and America….

With no airforce
With not enough AD systems
With spies running rampant
With no strategic allied countries

And when you asked these people how long they plan to play this game they had no answer.

No negotiations
No nukes
No war

Like they thought this cycle could go on forever until America collapsed or lost its superpower status (something that could take hundreds of years using historical precedent as an example).

 

[Persian Gulf]

And how many of those downed MALE DRONES had 250/500lb bombs strapped to them?

Drones cannot explain the massive explosions we saw throughout the war (and the ones we didn’t see due to night time or location).

my point is that since drones could fly over central Iran then there is no reason to believe jets could not

 

[Immortals]

my point is that since drones could fly over central Iran then there is no reason to believe jets could not

Good point.

Remember that one incident several years ago when a drone (allegedly from Azerbaijan) made its way all the way to Natanz without being detected and then finally was shot down?

At the time, I raised alarm and said how could this happen. And the IRGC to avoid embarrassment said they wanted to “see where it was going”. That excuse never sat well for me.

The fact that non stealth drone could fly that deep into Iran without anyone knowing should have sounded alarm bells.

The fact that Hermes and Heron size drones made it into central Iran with an RCS of likely 2-6m2 at various angles means that F-35 must have had no trouble or concern operating in Iran.

 

[kastor ville]

Iran was neutral and not "Islamist" during both World Wars. We saw how the west respects neutrality. If The Saudis and Turkey were truly independent neutral states as you claim, they would not be subservient to the Zionist occupiers of Palestine in direct contradiction to the will of their citizens!

It's all reformists.....it's the reformist's doing....poor sod!
War is peace....freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength!

 

[Immortals]

Israel had been practicing this for years. Attacking from Azeribajian. Raisi was also killed while flying over the mountains in that same region.

Iran spent so much time and effort focused on the Western border of Iran that they left North/Northwest border regions weak to intrusion.

The attack on Shahrud during the True Promise events also was rumored to have been cruise missiles coming from Caspian Sea.

The fact that had not completely saturated that region with radars and jammers shows the gross incompetence of this government.

 

[Kyussis]

It's all reformists.....it's the reformist's doing....poor sod!
War is peace....freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength!

I guess there was no difference between how Iran was run under Raisi and how it is run these days, right?

 

[Immortals]

The Path to a Good-Enough Iran Deal

How Washington and Tehran can bridge the gap on enrichment.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Decent article on the crossroads we are at and what negotiations could look like

 

[Persian Gulf]

Israel had been practicing this for years. Attacking from Azeribajian. Raisi was also killed while flying over the mountains in that same region.

Iran spent so much time and effort focused on the Western border of Iran that they left North/Northwest border regions weak to intrusion.

The attack on Shahrud during the True Promise events also was rumored to have been cruise missiles coming from Caspian Sea.

The fact that had not completely saturated that region with radars and jammers shows the gross incompetence of this government.

did Iranian radars and air defences perform well anywhere in Iran, even in West Iran where we would expect them to be concentrated?

Tehran was one of the most protected areas of Iran. yet Iran cannot apparently produce a single shred of evidence that Israeli jets penetrated Iranian airspace and attacked Tehran daily from the north / Caspian. weird. this is not to suggest that Israeli jets did not do this, but to suggest that Iranian radars were ineffective across the country.

all these OTH radars couldn't detect > 100 Israeli fighter jets take off from Israel, fly across Syria, and fly across Iraq (even assuming they did not enter Iranian airspace from day 1)? after Iranian military officials told us they were watching the enemy's every move 24/7? sure Iran is mountainous which limits radar range, but surely this was taken into account. something about this stinks.

15-20 mins before the first attacks in Tehran, random twitter accounts were posting videos of Israeli jets over Iraq. So imagine that even I, a nobody, had reason to believe that Israeli jets were flying over Iraq at least 20 minutes in advance. But Iranian military with all their OTH radars etc did not know?

next time they should hire someone to follow random military accounts on twitter so they get a 20 minute warning, seems to be more effective than their radars.

 

[Persian Gulf]

very dangerous times @ShapurII

 

[Persian Gulf]

The Path to a Good-Enough Iran Deal

How Washington and Tehran can bridge the gap on enrichment.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Decent article on the crossroads we are at and what negotiations could look like

the core issue remains enrichment in Iran. the path forward suggested here is the US suddenly conceding this issue and agreeing to a JCPOA+ (without sunsets and stricter provisions across the board).

but Iran has little leverage now that the US showed it could fly through central Iran, hit Iran's biggest nuclear sites, and leave before Iran even knew anything happened. the US was much more serious about this red line that we thought, and after it has destroyed Fordow and Natanz it is not likely to suddenly make a unilateral concession from a position of strength.

the only way Iran can restore leverage is to covertly distribute the unaccounted for centrifuges across dozens of small hardened sites across the country. plus some laser enrichment sites. sure, Israel and the US could detect the vast majority of these sites - but not all.

and the next time the US attacks Iran, Iran has to fire back hard and kill Americans. not just fire 10 missiles at an already empty US base in Iraq or Qatar and hit a few empty buildings so its supporters can cope that we responded. the immediate costs would be much larger, but we have to make the Americans believe we are willing to risk a full-scale war with the US to protect our interests.

 

[BigMela2onin]

very dangerous times @ShapurII

Iran has been shrinking slowly for centuries. It's better to get used to the idea that it will be further reduced to ethnic Persian areas only so it's not as much of a shock. There is no serious opposition to IR and they are not interested in saving the country. It will be Yugoslavia 2.0.