JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[RajaBaja]

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@arslank01 @Kim Jong Un : Read the above. Especially role, efficiency, radar range impact, electronic warfare among the three generations of Radar technologies. You'll understand what was explained above.

@ViperStrike Thank you for posting this.

 

[Be dazzled]

It is full bull shit my dear.
JF17 radar uses AsGa modules, with air cooling, reducing the output power. I don't know about the J-10.

The prototyp of RBE2 AESA was made in 2010 with US modules, gen1, allowing only a 25% improvement over PESA radar. Then Thales decided to wait a little so as to use brand new european T/R modules, with a 100% improvement. This is probably what you called 2nd gen.
The mastery of Thales was that RBE2 was from scrtch studied as a PESA but with AESA in mind. To remove the PESA antenna for an AESA one takes one hour, but more interesting : all the soft and data bases developp for PESA can be used on AESA (the contrary is false) so when the first european AESA jet radar took the sky, in 2013, it was already a mature and multimission one.

And about GaN radar, wake me up when a 100% pakistanese radar will fly.

And at the end, the 6-0 is false. 6 is false and zero is false.

Take your meds on time.

 

[Ak01]

@arslank01 @Kim Jong Un : Read the above. Especially role, efficiency, radar range impact, electronic warfare among the three generations of Radar technologies. You'll understand what was explained above.

@ViperStrike Thank you for posting this.

 

[TopGun786]

You have to write it twice to convince yourself it is true ?

Just an internet glitch Rakesh.
But the figures I write are correct... You know it.
Even many of your own military and media men accepted at least 3 IAF Rafales were shot down.

 

[BonPlan]

Just an internet glitch Rakesh.
But the figures I write are correct... You know it.
Even many of your own military and media men accepted at least 3 IAF Rafales were shot down.

It depends of what means shot down.
1 is fully destroyed (so shot down), it is the sole sure thing when you see one engine on ground. Some may have been damaged, but at what extent?

so 3 is like 4, 6, I even I've read 8 : without any evidence except pakistanese patriotism.

 

[BonPlan]

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= pakistanese forumer fantasm .
But funny.

 

[TopGun786]

See Rakesh!
3 IAF Rafales were initially claimed by Pakistan. Same number was accepted by some indians. I just put a video proof of a prominent "Indian" journalist who says he got confirmation from his sources that YES 3 Rafales were shot by PAF.
4th Rafale was claimed by PAF after many weeks as it was a unit which was badly damaged by PL-15E missile shrapnels. It was only added to the list after it was written off by IAF.
So yes, 4 Rafales were shot down by PAF (possibly a few more got damaged but are repairable.
Now including 1 Su-30MKi, 1 Mirage 2000 & 1 Mig29 kill score goes to 7-0.
And I will repeat if we add Israel made Heron drone kill then score goes to 8-0.

It depends of what means shot down.
1 is fully destroyed (so shot down), it is the sole sure thing when you see one engine on ground. Some may have been damaged, but at what extent?

so 3 is like 4, 6, I even I've read 8 : without any evidence except pakistanese patriotism.

 

[Ak01]

= pakistanese forumer fantasm .
But funny.

tbh frenchie you're equally as bad, why dont you hold up your white flag and retreat off the forum mate.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

You are a sensible person, I always add you into my posts because I think you add value to the topic. I don't know what's happening here.

Read my posts two more times and it will make sense to you. Rafale is a superior platform. I've clearly called it out. The discussion was about it's Radar and JF-17's Radar. I explained the technology set being used in them. JF-17 and J-10C's are using the Radar tech that was built by China AFTER Rafale's radar tech. Rafale's Radar chips were Gen 1. JF-17 which really uses J-10C's radar with less TR's, was built on gen 2 technology using chips that process much faster and longer range.

A platform like Rafale or J-10C or F-16's, aren't measured by ONE sensor. A platform is a full package of dozens of critical sensors, all combined making a jet. So like I said before, in that sense, Rafale by design is a superior platform. Not sure where the disconnect it.

Lastly, JF-17's major issue has been it's engine power. Let's pretend that in block III, a near J-10C's engine is added, airframe further strengthened for more load and J-10C's sensors are installed and they optimally function, then you can go head to head with Rafale comparison. Otherwise, Rafale is superior and comparable to J-10C.

He won't understand you bro because he's 1000% Indian pretending to be French

 

[BonPlan]

JF-17 and J-10C's are using the Radar tech that was built by China AFTER Rafale's radar tech. Rafale's Radar chips were Gen 1. JF-17 which really uses J-10C's radar with less TR's, was built on gen 2 technology using chips that process much faster and longer range.

The RBE2 AESA was first installed on a Rafale in 2013.
a radar is made of an antenna (with TOP in a classical one or a PESA, with active T/R modules in AESA) and a signal treatment back (and some other goodies).
It is sure that the latest signal treatment units delivered are not the same than the one deliverd with Rafale F1 late 90's !
The RBE2 evolved with every block :
LF1
F1
F2.1
F2.2
F3.0
F3.1
F3.2
F3.3
F3.3'
F3.4
F3R
now F4.1
F4.2 next year.

New chips, new soft added, new antenna (PESA to AESA).
GaN is not installed so far because the range is so increased that you need another radar architecture (the RBE2 XG coming in 2030).

 

[BonPlan]

tbh frenchie you're equally as bad, why dont you hold up your white flag and retreat off the forum mate.

Oh no.... you will miss me.

 

[RajaBaja]

The RBE2 AESA was first installed on a Rafale in 2013.
a radar is made of an antenna (with TOP in a classical one or a PESA, with active T/R modules in AESA) and a signal treatment back (and some other goodies).
It is sure that the latest signal treatment units delivered are not the same than the one deliverd with Rafale F1 late 90's !
The RBE2 evolved with every block :
LF1
F1
F2.1
F2.2
F3.0
F3.1
F3.2
F3.3
F3.3'
F3.4
F3R
now F4.1
F4.2 next year.

New chips, new soft added, new antenna (PESA to AESA).
GaN is not installed so far because the range is so increased that you need another radar architecture (the RBE2 XG coming in 2030).

Your post has no relation to my post, technically or logic wise. It's obvious, you don't have a background nor have you understood my explanation about complex Radar engineering. Such a waste of time.

Go learn something about latest Radar engineering, even just basic latest trends and come back, at least sound somewhat knowledgeable. You are making a fool out of yourself. May be you are used to it.

 

[BonPlan]

Yeah the whole world is now well aware of how French tech ( in Indian hands) performs against Chinese tech, so you don’t need to provide all this detail.
As for 6-0 it’s fact and associated evidence is easily available for all to see but not to Indians like you for who the truth is too horrific and painful to accept. Coping’s a bitch.

I'm quite sure there will be a return match.
It will be interesting.... This time you can be sure Rafale will be fitted with Meteor.

 

[BonPlan]

You have not understood a thing from my post and you clearly have no idea about the complicated technologies that together make up a Radar. Your post above has gibberish, meaning it makes no sense.

Go learn something about latest Radar engineering, or, just to understand how it works, read up (not watch youtube) wave length and signal transmission engineering.

Your history of gen 1 and gen 2 is pure fantasy. The rest is in the same way.

 

[Ak01]

you clearly have no idea about the complicated technologies that together make up a Radar

what would we do without you oh expert