Opinion: India Pakistan near conflict - Escalation management non-existent

[pakistanitarzan]

Why not do preemptive strikes on IOK? Why the bull $hit that we are not aggressors.

 

[RajaBaja]

I don’t think Russia can deliver s400 any faster than the original contract rate, the Ukraine war is eating up all the s400s that Russia can make. India won’t be getting new stock of s400 regardless of how urgently it needs them as Russian priorities take precedence.

Russia has started to transfer tech of a watered down S-400 version to India. That's how they tested an interceptor with 150 KM range last week. The interceptor was made in Russia but integrated in India. With TOT, India can build let's say an "export" version of the S-400 locally. But they'll have the tech. Having that tech allows them to locally build 150-200 KM systems on S-400 technology so that's much advancement for them compared to what they have now. The LR-Sam has been a good success yet.

 

[RajaBaja]

The russians arming india to the teeth as usual. That is egg in the face of those Pakistanis who say we need good relations with russia. To hell with them. I hope ukraine and nato smash the russians to pieces.

On paper those acquisitions look impressive so Pakistan needs to counter with effective counter-measures. Jamming their radars and using an effective air defence system that we have not yet revealed to the public.

We should do business and trade with Russia. Russia will always do things for its benefit. Right now they need money and India is giving it, both with defense acquisitions and through running an international oil market. So we should just grow trade relations, not any dependence.

What we REALLY need to focus on is to safeguard our relationship with China at all cost as that's our strategic partner.

 

[NA71]

Ex IA general on water as weapon:

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[RajaBaja]

Ex IA general on water as weapon:

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There is no doubt water was used as a weapon to destroy our agriculture crops and give us billions of dollars worth of damage.

India is under rainy weather like Pakistan. They have weather radars, they know how much rain to expect and how much water is already in different rivers and canals causing flood like situations.

After rainfall in areas like Himachal Pardesh into Ravi and Satluj entering Pakistan, there is nearly a week's water travel. India knew their dams will fill up so they opened their dams already over capacity releasing MASSIVE loads of flood.

Had they started to release water when the rain was happening and floods started in Himachal Pardesh, that was 7 days in advance and releasing water at that time in different installments, would mean NO flood in Pakistan would've come. Because by smaller batches of water released into Satluj and Ravi, they would have made room to consume more flood waters in their dams and it would never overflow.

Instead, they waited for their dams to fill up. Then released the excess and also released in the loads of water coming in fresh. These massive loads are uncontrollable and this is weaponizing the water when slow release over a week in advance, would NOT have resulted in any floods in Pakistan.

 

[RajaBaja]

This is India's two-faces. On one hand they tell China "you are the boss saar" and we will respect your interests all over the globe, while, they order another attack in Baluchistan, killing so many civilians.

India issues another Notam ...from sept 01 to 02 ....same area which was covered in May 05 to May07 Notam.....

India is definitely on war readiness. Another NOTAM published yesterday around almost the entire South side of Pakistan's border.

 

[PK781]

This is India's two-faces. On one hand they tell China "you are the boss saar" and we will respect your interests all over the globe, while, they order another attack in Baluchistan, killing so many civilians.



India is definitely on war readiness. Another NOTAM published yesterday around almost the entire South side of Pakistan's border.

Perhaps its time to arm the Thunders and Dragons with CM400s and PL17s for the new missions!

 

[RajaBaja]

Perhaps its time to arm the Thunders and Dragons with CM400s and PL17s for the new missions!

Yes. First we need to fully arm the Shahpars and literally cleanout Baluchistan and KPK mountains from BLA and KPK. That's our first priority.

 

[MH.Yang]

Both sides have their own beliefs and versions of the story.

Personally, I strongly believe that Jammu and Kashmir belongs to neither India nor Pakistan — both are outsiders. In an ideal world, it would have been an independent country, with no land lost to either side including to Chinese.

The UN also failed to deliver justice by not giving the people the option to vote for independence from both countries. And both nations know very well that, if such a choice were offered, the people would likely choose freedom. So IN resolution is waste for me even so, it will never gonna to implement.

That brings me to the present: after so many blunders in the past, the best solution now is to accept the current reality and move forward. But if people continue to live with the false hopes their leaders have been selling for decades, nothing will change — and there will always be the risk of war. It doesn't not matter modi in the office or not.

Both sides have their own beliefs and versions of the story.

Personally, I strongly believe that Jammu and Kashmir belongs to neither India nor Pakistan — both are outsiders. In an ideal world, it would have been an independent country, with no land lost to either side including to Chinese.

The UN also failed to deliver justice by not giving the people the option to vote for independence from both countries. And both nations know very well that, if such a choice were offered, the people would likely choose freedom. So IN resolution is waste for me even so, it will never gonna to implement.

That brings me to the present: after so many blunders in the past, the best solution now is to accept the current reality and move forward. But if people continue to live with the false hopes their leaders have been selling for decades, nothing will change — and there will always be the risk of war. It doesn't not matter modi in the office or not.

China does not claim sovereignty over the whole of Kashmir. China has only claimed sovereignty over Aksai Chin and Ladakh only because they are part of Tibet. China has no interest in the Jammu and Kashmir valley. India and Pakistan can make Kashmir independent and then China and Kashmir can negotiate the Ladakh issue separately.

 

[NA71]

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[Raj-Hindustani]

China does not claim sovereignty over the whole of Kashmir. China has only claimed sovereignty over Aksai Chin and Ladakh only because they are part of Tibet. China has no interest in the Jammu and Kashmir valley. India and Pakistan can make Kashmir independent and then China and Kashmir can negotiate the Ladakh issue separately.

It’s a never-ending and ultimately useless argument.

as you said, China has only claimed sovereignty over Aksai Chin and Ladakh because they consider them part of Tibet.

India, on the other hand, claims Aksai Chin as an integral part of Ladakh.

The best solution is to accept the current borders and move on. Any attempt to alter them will only prolong the conflict.

The same logic applies to other parts that are shared by Pakistan and India.

The case of India and Pakistan is unique. For over 70 years, political and military leaders have been selling false dreams while the common people have gained nothing in return—only bloody wars. The real beneficiaries have been the military and the politicians, and they seem intent on continuing this narrative, willing to sell the same story for another 70 years without hesitation.

 

[MH.Yang]

It’s a never-ending and ultimately useless argument.

as you said, China has only claimed sovereignty over Aksai Chin and Ladakh because they consider them part of Tibet.

India, on the other hand, claims Aksai Chin as an integral part of Ladakh.

The best solution is to accept the current borders and move on. Any attempt to alter them will only prolong the conflict.

The same logic applies to other parts that are shared by Pakistan and India.

The case of India and Pakistan is unique. For over 70 years, political and military leaders have been selling false dreams while the common people have gained nothing in return—only bloody wars. The real beneficiaries have been the military and the politicians, and they seem intent on continuing this narrative, willing to sell the same story for another 70 years without hesitation.

My point is that China will not stop Kashmir's independence, please don't use China as an excuse.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

My point is that China will not stop Kashmir's independence, please don't use China as an excuse.

I believe there’s a misunderstanding in how this is being interpreted.
China doesn’t concern itself with issues between India and Pakistan — its focus is solely on its own claims in Ladakh.

For us in India, when we say ‘Jammu and Kashmir,’ that includes all three regions: Jammu, Kashmir, and Ladakh.

As I’ve said before, these territorial claims ultimately benefit only leaders and the military. They’re never-ending disputes, because no side is willing to compromise on its claims.

 

[MH.Yang]

I believe there’s a misunderstanding in how this is being interpreted.
China doesn’t concern itself with issues between India and Pakistan — its focus is solely on its own claims in Ladakh.

For us in India, when we say ‘Jammu and Kashmir,’ that includes all three regions: Jammu, Kashmir, and Ladakh.

As I’ve said before, these territorial claims ultimately benefit only leaders and the military. They’re never-ending disputes, because no side is willing to compromise on its claims.

Kashmir and Jammu are Muslim-inhabited areas, while Ladakh and Aksai Chin are Buddhist-populated areas, which were never part of Kashmir in the first place, but belong to Tibet. China's claim to Ladakh does not conflict with the peace process in Kashmir.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Kashmir and Jammu are Muslim-inhabited areas, while Ladakh and Aksai Chin are Buddhist-populated areas, which were never part of Kashmir in the first place, but belong to Tibet. China's claim to Ladakh does not conflict with the peace process in Kashmir.

Those are funny thoughts, by the way!

So what are Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking people, doing in China if the basis is religion? Why not give northwest China independence and let them govern themselves, if you truly believe in that idea?

When the Qing dynasty expanded west in the 18th century, Uyghur-majority areas were absorbed into the Chinese empire

do you believe based on religion - land shoud get devided?