Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

They continue this fake threat and bravado after Israel and U.S. bombed and killed over 1,000 Iranians?

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[Shafagh]

they moved the uranium stockpile from Natanz and Fordow to Esfahan tunnels but that is also buried under rubble

and hardly surprising if they didn't move the HEU elsewhere when they didn't even move the scientists and commanders elsewhere

They probably thought the U.S. extended the deadline for signing an agreement and so no attack was coming.

The HEU though, they had 12 days to move, even earlier could have stored it somewhere else.

If they are that donkey that they didn't think about doing so, then I don't know what to say... about them or about people still defending them.

I wouldn't be surprised if those nuclear scientists were still going to work in civilian cars, not armored ones, after assassination of Fakrizadeh. We can only hope that enough knowledge was passed down to new scientists.

 

[Shafagh]

They continue this fake threat and bravado after Israel and U.S. bombed and killed over 1,000 Iranians?

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So is this guy part of reformist camp that people continue to blame?

 

[Arash]

We will wait and see

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Please refer to credible sources, not U.S. think tank propagandists...

 

[Kyussis]

So is this guy part of reformist camp that people continue to blame?

You want him to talk like Pezeshkian and say Iran is weak and that there is nothing that can be done and that we should just surrender? Silly question. Of course you do!

 

[Shafagh]

You want him to talk like Pezeshkian and say Iran is weak and that there is nothing that can be done and that we should just surrender? Silly question. Of course you do!

No, I want them to keep their mouth shut and prepare, instead of saying "Israel and America cannot do a damn thing" "We slap their mouth" and then lose entire senior command in first hours of the war.

 

[Bharatah]

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state TV releases footage of Iranian MRBMs prepared for launch exploding after being targeted by Israel moments before launch

unfortunately Israel's ability to monitor track and attack mobile assets throughout Iran was very strong

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This video is fake news and was edited by artificial intelligence. No official video has been released (in this regard) by Iranian government TV.

 

[ShapurII]

They probably thought the U.S. extended the deadline for signing an agreement and so no attack was coming.

The HEU though, they had 12 days to move, even earlier could have stored it somewhere else.

If they are that donkey that they didn't think about doing so, then I don't know what to say... about them or about people still defending them.

I wouldn't be surprised if those nuclear scientists were still going to work in civilian cars, not armored ones, after assassination of Fakrizadeh. We can only hope that enough knowledge was passed down to new scientists.

The knowledge is not the problem. It's the technology of 80 years ago. The US has already started to declassify even its seminars and calculations of the Manhattan Project. With a bit of googling, you can even find the first papers that were published on the subject in the Manhattan project.

Imagine you're a nuclear scientist.
Would you still want to work for the IR regime when you see that your life means nothing to them and you can do nothing for the country because of a stupid Mullah on top of the country that forbade nuclear weapons and gave extreme concessions in the JCPOA? Nobody would want to work with these people anymore. Your salary sucks, Israel wants to kill you, and the regime doesn't care. No scientist would want to work for such a system.

Iran's nuclear program, if there ever was such a thing after 2003, is over.

 

[FUB]

This video is fake news and was edited by artificial intelligence. No official video has been released (in this regard) by Iranian government TV.

Lmao. In this Thread, some will reject analysis by battle damage assessment military personnel and MIT Profs. They will claim that nomads are telling the truth on X.
Below is Grok's analysis
Based on the available information and the context of the conflict between Iran and Israel, there is a strong possibility that the video claiming to show the destruction of Iranian missiles on their launchers might be fake and produced by AI. Here's why:

1. Historical Precedent of Misinformation: Iranian state media has been documented to use recycled or manipulated footage to support its narratives, as reported by RFE/RL on June 21, 2025. This includes using old footage from other conflicts or AI-generated content to misrepresent current events.
2. AI-Generated Content Concerns: The rapid advancement and realism of AI-generated images and videos have made it easier for motivated actors to spread false claims. Researchers and fact-checkers have noted the proliferation of such content during the Iran-Israel conflict, as highlighted by NPR on June 26, 2025.
3. Specific Claims of Fakery: A fact-check by DW on June 24, 2025, identified multiple visual indicators that similar videos claiming to depict military actions were not authentic, suggesting they were created with generative AI. Although this specific video wasn't directly mentioned, the pattern of misinformation is consistent.
4. Strategic Context: Given the high stakes of the conflict and the strategic importance of visual evidence, there is a motive for both sides to manipulate or fabricate footage to influence public perception and international opinion.

 

[Shafagh]

The knowledge is not the problem. It's the technology of 80 years ago. The US has already started to declassify even its seminars and calculations of the Manhattan Project. With a bit of googling, you can even find the first papers that were published on the subject in the Manhattan project.

Imagine you're a nuclear scientist.
Would you still want to work for the IR regime when you see that your life means nothing to them and you can do nothing for the country because of a stupid Mullah on top of the country that forbade nuclear weapons and gave extreme concessions in the JCPOA? Nobody would want to work with these people anymore. Your salary sucks, Israel wants to kill you, and the regime doesn't care. No scientist would want to work for such a system.

Iran's nuclear program, if there ever was such a thing after 2003, is over.

Iran has options for future weapons. They might not give you the defensive posture that a nuclear weapon does, but still critical technology.

-Drones
-Lasers
-Hypersonic weapons
-Electronic warfare

Not every country has this level of technology nor the infrastructure to develop them.

Maybe time to work with China on the next leap; quantum communications, quantum radar, computing, sensors

 

[ShapurII]

Iran has options for future weapons. They might not give you the defensive posture that a nuclear weapon does, but still critical technology.

-Drones
-Lasers
-Hypersonic weapons
-Electronic warfare

Not every country has this level of technology nor the infrastructure to develop them.

Maybe time to work with China on the next leap; quantum communications, quantum radar, computing, sensors

As you said, none of these weapons are going to give Iran something comparable to nuclear deterrence.

And China is no longer the country that it used to be in late 90s. It's the world's 2nd most powerful power, approaching the first really fast. It will not help you develop a domestic defense industry because it no longer needs to do so.

We could not even mass produce Shahed drones. Russia produces more Shahed drones than Iran per day.

 

[Shafagh]

As you said, none of these weapons are going to give Iran something comparable to nuclear deterrence.

And China is no longer the country that it used to be in late 90s. It's the world's 2nd most powerful power, approaching the first really fast. It will not help you develop a domestic defense industry because it no longer needs to do so.

We could not even mass produce Shahed drones. Russia produces more Shahed drones than Iran per day.

Iran doesn't need to jointly develop such technologies with China. Iranian engineers and scientists are some of the best in the world. I 100% have faith in them.

Send them to China to study and learn, start building the groundwork of these technologies. The Soviets/Russians did not jointly develop ballistic missiles with us. Gaddafi gave us a few radars and Scud missiles and it became the foundation of what the ballistic missile program is today.

This leads to my final point. Up to now, North Korea has proven to be Iran's only true partner.

As for mass production, it will take time to rebuild. It will take investments, but as one IRGC official said, need to build facilities overseas. Heck, think outside the box. Set up production facilities on ships if you have to.

There are some steps Iran can take now to bolster it's defenses.

Acquire some Pongae 5 Systems from North Korea to supplement what Iran has, fill in for what was lost.

Send the Mig 29s to Russia to upgrade to SMT standard.

Cancel all these little science projects in IRIAF and focus on only a few:

-Kowsar
-F4 Dowran upgrade program
-Develop a program to reduce Kowsar radar cross section and use it as testbed for integrated AI and UAV systems

These are things Iran can do now.

On another note:

Is there some Tunguska/Pantsir equivalent Iran has developed or can acquire, in order to protect it's TELs?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

They continue this fake threat and bravado after Israel and U.S. bombed and killed over 1,000 Iranians?

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The IRGC and Iranians also came back from the initial "shock and Awe" attack and gave the child killers a bloody nose to the point where the child killer Satanyahu requested a "ceasefire".

In terms of a loss, it happens in war and the Israeli child killers lost over 500 on their end. Their nuclear research centers, military, intelligence, and economic centers were obliterated by the Iranian counterattack missiles.

Besides, this was not a war between Israel and Iran alone but a war between Iran and the whole western world. The Iranian military courageously fought back and defeated the regime change efforts against their country. Today, Iran is standing and has not fallen, and is ready for the next challenge.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran doesn't need to jointly develop such technologies with China. Iranian engineers and scientists are some of the best in the world. I 100% have faith in them.

Send them to China to study and learn, start building the groundwork of these technologies. The Soviets/Russians did not jointly develop ballistic missiles with us. Gaddafi gave us a few radars and Scud missiles and it became the foundation of what the ballistic missile program is today.

You cannot send people abroad to learn things and then expect them to do miracles for you.
A university education is not worth much on its own. You can have people with the best education from top internationally-acclaimed universities but they won't be able to do a damn thing for you if you do not have ongoing projects with enough funding and proper management.
It isn’t knowledge that builds things, but resources. Knowledge is usually the easiest part of developing a technology. What truly matters are hundreds of skilled engineers, billions of dollars in investment, and above all, capable, highly educated managers who hold their positions through merit, not through the stroke of an authoritarian leader’s pen.

This leads to my final point. Up to now, North Korea has proven to be Iran's only true partner.

As for mass production, it will take time to rebuild. It will take investments, but as one IRGC official said, need to build facilities overseas. Heck, think outside the box. Set up production facilities on ships if you have to.

We had 10 years to mass-produce Shahed drones. What Russia has achieved with Shahed drones in 3 years surpasses everything the IRGC has been doing for the past 10 years.

There are some steps Iran can take now to bolster it's defenses.

Acquire some Pongae 5 Systems from North Korea to supplement what Iran has, fill in for what was lost.

Send the Mig 29s to Russia to upgrade to SMT standard.

Cancel all these little science projects in IRIAF and focus on only a few:

-Kowsar
-F4 Dowran upgrade program
-Develop a program to reduce Kowsar radar cross section and use it as testbed for integrated AI and UAV systems

These are things Iran can do now.

On another note:

Is there some Tunguska/Pantsir equivalent Iran has developed or can acquire, in order to protect it's TELs?

Yes, Iran had a project for building something like Pantsir but I don't remember the name and I'm not sure if it was completed. It was Oghab, if I'm not mistaken.

All of these things are long-term plans. I'm not saying they are not good ideas, they are, but we don't have enough time left.
We have reached the last-stage of this f*cking show that the Ayatollahs have been playing with the West for the last 4 decades.

These ideas were solid in 2005, not 2025. We have made little progress in technology since 2013.
If we want to fight with Israel, or our neighboring adversaries with conventional weapons, we will need to purchase at least 150-200 modern jet fighters, AEW&C, long-range systems like S-400, build new radars, etc. It'll take a decade at least, if we can find somebody willing to sell us such systems to begin with. We don't have that much time left. This is why only non-conventional weapons can save us at this point.

 

[mangekyo]

You're 100% right in these statements, however the next best time to switch the self-immolating policy of "neither east nor west" is now. Reproachment with the west is another self-immoalting policy; there is not future in which Iran develops a meaningful and peaceful relationship with the west, all they seek is to dissolve and destroy Iranian civilization permanently. Saying it's too late to switch Eastward now is yet another self-immolating policy. Changing now is the best possible way forward, but policy change isn't possible when both major political factions have the goal of destroying Iran.

And what will Iran offer in return besides oil that they are already getting with a heavy discount?