Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

China is happy to develop friendly relations with any country in the world.

But, our logic is completely different from that of Western countries.

So, if Iran wants to be more friendly with China and hope to receive more assistance from China, then it needs to better understand China's logic.

BTW.
I don't know if this is Khamenei's official account.

If this is Khamenei, then it's a good start. But it's only a start...

it is his official account

 

[BigMela2onin]

And what will Iran offer in return besides oil that they are already getting with a heavy discount?

Its location and a population of 90 million. The alternative is national death, take your pick.

 

[ShapurII]

Its location and a population of 90 million. The alternative is national death, take your pick.

It's not about population only. It's about economy and military power.
Nigeria has 230 million people. Does it give it a strategic advantage?

Iran's only enemy is not the West, but our neighbors as well.
Nobody wants a weak country with too many enemies on their side. If you want Iran to side with China or Russia, you should first get strong. Otherwise, it will never happen. At best, the same thing that has happened will continue to happen: They will play with Iran as a card.

 

[BigMela2onin]

It's not about population only. It's about economy and military power.
Nigeria has 230 million people. Does it give it a strategic advantage?

Iran's only enemy is not the West, but our neighbors as well.
Nobody wants a weak country with too many enemies on their side. If you want Iran to side with China or Russia, you should first get strong. Otherwise, it will never happen. At best, the same thing that has happened will continue to happen: They will play with Iran as a card.

This is impossible at this point, you need guarantees from an outside power to build that strength. Anything that can be viewed as a threat will be destroyed now because IR has no way to defend Iran. Any vaguely strategic factories or sites will be destroyed like the carbon fiber factory that was hit. Even if IR had the will to go nuclear (it doesn't), it's too infiltrated and surveilled to actually do so without someone guaranteeing its security in the meantime.

 

[ShapurII]

This is impossible at this point, you need guarantees from an outside power to build that strength. Anything that can be viewed as a threat will be destroyed now because IR has no way to defend Iran. Any vaguely strategic factories or sites will be destroyed like the carbon fiber factory that was hit. Even if IR had the will to go nuclear (it doesn't), it's too infiltrated and surveilled to actually do so without someone guaranteeing its security in the meantime.

There will be no guarantees for weak countries. This is delusional.

How many times does Iran have to experience the same thing?
Have you forgotten how the guarantees for Iran worked during World War II?

How can they give you guarantees when they have better ties with your neighbors, who never miss an opportunity to weaken you? lol

 

[BigMela2onin]

There will be no guarantees for weak countries. This is delusional.

How many times does Iran have to experience the same thing?
Have you forgotten how the guarantees for Iran worked during World War II?

How can they give you guarantees when they have better ties with your neighbors, who never miss an opportunity to weaken you? lol

Again there is no alternative. The status quo or opposition victory means national death and becoming the world's largest group of stateless people. IR and its policies are the culmination of three centuries of continuous decline, and if it fails now, it will be the end of Iran in our lifetimes at least.

 

[ShapurII]

Again there is no alternative. The status quo or opposition victory means national death and becoming the world's largest group of stateless people. IR and its policies are the culmination of three centuries of continuous decline, and if it fails now, it will be the end of Iran in our lifetimes at least.

What you are suggesting is not an alternative either.
It is something that has been thoroughly tested in our history.
The most recent example of it is JCPOA. It is basically JCPOA 2.0, but even more useless.

There are only two options:
1. Go nuclear. Iran needs to follow the same path as North Korea for a while. Stay low, do not talk, shut up and work on improving your nuclear deterrence.
2. Surrender. Let the West get what they want. Become pro-Israel. Help Israel wipe Palestinians off the map. Turn into a country like Saudi Arabia, Turkey or pre-revolution Iran. Let them install whoever they want. Be it Reza Pahlavi, Maryam Rajavi or Hassan Rohani.

The whole idea that China or Russia will give Iran guarantees is nonsense. The concept of a permanent UNSC member giving guarantees to a non-member state is absolutely ridiculous and delusional.

 

[BigMela2onin]

There are only two options:
1. Go nuclear. Iran needs to follow the same path as North Korea for a while. Stay low, do not talk, shut up and work on improving your nuclear deterrence.
2. Surrender. Let the West get what they want. Become pro-Israel. Help Israel wipe Palestinians off the map. Turn into a country like Saudi Arabia, Turkey or pre-revolution Iran. Let them install whoever they want. Be it Reza Pahlavi, Maryam Rajavi or Hassan Rohani.

Neither of these are options either, DPRK is a much stronger state that controls its borders. Iran is too infiltrated and surveilled to go nuclear. There is no political will in IR anyways other than some individual majlesis saying it every once in a while.
Surrender is also not an option, the west does not accept surrenders. The goal is a failed state like Syria or Libya, at best they will install a jewlani-like leader to praise the jews every time they bomb something while they loot the resources like in Syria. Even historically, Qaddafi tried to make peace with the west and paid reparations for Lockerbie yet was still killed and Libya was destroyed. Chances of becoming like Saudi Arabia or Turkey with the west's help is less than zero.

 

[ShapurII]

Neither of these are options either, DPRK is a much stronger state that controls its borders. Iran is too infiltrated and surveilled to go nuclear. There is no political will in IR anyways other than some individual majlesis saying it every once in a while.
Surrender is also not an option, the west does not accept surrenders. The goal is a failed state like Syria or Libya, at best they will install a jewlani-like leader to praise the jews every time they bomb something while they loot the resources like in Syria. Even historically, Qaddafi tried to make peace with the west and paid reparations for Lockerbie yet was still killed and Libya was destroyed. Chances of becoming like Saudi Arabia or Turkey with the west's help is less than zero.

Actually, the West does accept surrender actually. Look no further, see Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. The Pahlavi dynasty remained in power, power was passed down to Mohammad Reza. The transition of power was nearly smooth. The US even helped Iran's integrity against all the odds. Want other examples? Germany, Japan, Italy, etc.

You just need to let them control everything, which is not very different from our current situation. The only difference is that the people who control our country will change. Now it's Russia that controls Iran through Khamenei.

This whole idea of infiltration is nonsense. Iran is too large for surveillance to be the reason that we have not developed nukes. The regime simply does not want to go nuclear because it is corrupt to the core and didn't think this day would come. There is no political will because Khamenei at the top is a KGB agent.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Actually, the West does accept surrender actually. Look no further, see Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. The Pahlavi dynasty remained in power, power was passed down to Mohammad Reza. The transition of power was nearly smooth. The US even helped Iran's integrity against all the odds. Want other examples? Germany, Japan, Italy, etc.

Different west and different time. If US didn't step in and rebuild those nations, they would have become communist and become allies of the Soviet Union. They did it because it was in their interest to do so. Today, the US isn't rebuilding Syria or Libya and no one is rushing to do so, Russia sends in some mercs to make money from local warlords at best. If Iran disappears it is no loss to the west, it would actually be a benefit, which is why they're working on making it happen.
Also modern west is more openly fascistic and violent today. The collateral murder video was a leak and a scandal, now Rubio proudly posts videos of them blowing up a random boat on twitter and says "it was 100% a drug smuggling boat." They are committing genocide openly and sanctioning the ICC for calling it genocide and denying visas to the victims. Actually a big motivation for smaller countries to bring the ICC case is because they realize the same fate awaits them in the future if they accept this.

You just need to let them control everything, which is not very different from our current situation. The only difference is that the people who control our country will change.

Again, now the plan is to just physically occupy what they need and let the rest burn. Trump just openly says that they "got the oil" in Syria. When they occupy Khuzestan, it will be the same thing.

Now it's Russia that controls Iran through Khamenei.

This whole idea of infiltration is nonsense. Iran is too large for surveillance to be the reason that we have not developed nukes. The regime simply does not want to go nuclear because it is corrupt to the core and didn't think this day would come. There is no political will because Khamenei at the top is a KGB agent.

Infiltration and surveillance is one of many reasons they don't go for nuclearization, not the only reason. It's more likely khamenei works for the US/jews than for Russia. His actions have mostly benefited the west and not Russia other than the drone deal. Things like INSTC have not amounted to much.

You're right that the only way out of this mess is to become strong, but it's too late to develop domestic strength. If the option is between become a full "eastern puppet" or a failed state "western puppet," the answer is clear.

 

[Faani83]

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[ShapurII]

Different west and different time. If US didn't step in and rebuild those nations, they would have become communist and become allies of the Soviet Union. They did it because it was in their interest to do so. Today, the US isn't rebuilding Syria or Libya and no one is rushing to do so, Russia sends in some mercs to make money from local warlords at best. If Iran disappears it is no loss to the west, it would actually be a benefit, which is why they're working on making it happen.
Also modern west is more openly fascistic and violent today. The collateral murder video was a leak and a scandal, now Rubio proudly posts videos of them blowing up a random boat on twitter and says "it was 100% a drug smuggling boat." They are committing genocide openly and sanctioning the ICC for calling it genocide and denying visas to the victims. Actually a big motivation for smaller countries to bring the ICC case is because they realize the same fate awaits them in the future if they accept this.

Different time, similar West.

They're doing the same for Ukraine. Ukraine used to be a pro-Russia state before 2008.
The US is not destroying Libya either. What is the US doing in Libya that I don't know of?

As for Syria, Syria is literally ruled by an Islamic terrorist group. It's HTS for God's sake lol Do you really think the US will just be OK with radical Islam because they helped them topple Assad? If Syria had become a secular pro-US country, the situation would've been very different for today's Syria.

The US turned a blind eye to radical Islam taking over a country once in 1979. They're not going to make the same mistake.

The West has always been fascist. If anything, today's West is much more liberal than the West in 1940s.

Again, now the plan is to just physically occupy what they need and let the rest burn. Trump just openly says that they "got the oil" in Syria. When they occupy Khuzestan, it will be the same thing.

Infiltration and surveillance is one of many reasons they don't go for nuclearization, not the only reason. It's more likely khamenei works for the US/jews than for Russia. His actions have mostly benefited the west and not Russia other than the drone deal. Things like INSTC have not amounted to much.

You're right that the only way out of this mess is to become strong, but it's too late to develop domestic strength. If the option is between become a full "eastern puppet" or a failed state "western puppet," the answer is clear.

They gained control over the oil in Syria since 2011. Trump is not the kind of person you would want to refer to in a serious argument lol The US maintained strong military presence in the east of Syria where most of oil is (Deir ez-Zur) since the very beginning of the civil war, securing their oil interests.

So what? Let them have our oil. The Seven Sisters controlled Iran's oil in 70s and we were still doing better than today economically.
Khamenei is a KGB agent. There is strong evidence to support that. None of his actions have benefitted the West or Israel by design, but rather by stupidity or Russian decisions. Whatever he has done, and whatever he does today, is at the dictates of comrade Putin.

LMAO You think an eastern puppet won't be a failed state? Seriously? Dude, Russia itself is a failed state. Look at "eastern puppets": Cuba, North Korea, Belarus, Venezuela, Somalia, Yemen, Nicaragua. What a list of prosperous nations lol None of them is a failed state lol
Now look at the list of Western puppets: Japan, South Korea, Germany, Turkey, etc. They're all failed states. People are escaping from these miserable countries to those prosperous eastern puppets.

 

[Sarhang]

What you are suggesting is not an alternative either.
It is something that has been thoroughly tested in our history.
The most recent example of it is JCPOA. It is basically JCPOA 2.0, but even more useless.

There are only two options:
1. Go nuclear. Iran needs to follow the same path as North Korea for a while. Stay low, do not talk, shut up and work on improving your nuclear deterrence.
2. Surrender. Let the West get what they want. Become pro-Israel. Help Israel wipe Palestinians off the map. Turn into a country like Saudi Arabia, Turkey or pre-revolution Iran. Let them install whoever they want. Be it Reza Pahlavi, Maryam Rajavi or Hassan Rohani.

The whole idea that China or Russia will give Iran guarantees is nonsense. The concept of a permanent UNSC member giving guarantees to a non-member state is absolutely ridiculous and delusional.

World doesnt work like that. Its not either become a North Korea hermit state or become a puppet.


First thing you should be asking yourself is: why even ''resist'' the Americans? Which sane nation does this? Whats the purpose? For what?


Russia, the same Russia thats being prostate massaged daily by the brainless Khamenei cult literally hosts a US embassy on its soil. They have daily interactions with top US diplomats keeping tensions minimized and making sure their diplomatic stance doesnt degrade further.


China is even worse in this regard. Their whole system is full blown capitalism and they are in bed with Uncle Sam all the time.


Who else on the resistance list? Yemen... Venezuela?


I don’t see a single sane, prosperous, stable nation ''resisting'' the Americans. Not one.

I remind you the US actually takes a lot of shit from its so called partners. Our own country literally killed hundreds of their soldiers, stormed their embassy, paraded their staff live on TV, froze their assets, and spent decades in antiAmerican activity.


And yet even now if IR was genuine the US would still extend their hand. Thats the reality.

 

[Shafagh]

Yep.

World doesnt work like that. Its not either become a North Korea hermit state or become a puppet.


First thing you should be asking yourself is: why even ''resist'' the Americans? Which sane nation does this? Whats the purpose? For what?


Russia, the same Russia thats being prostate massaged daily by the brainless Khamenei cult literally hosts a US embassy on its soil. They have daily interactions with top US diplomats keeping tensions minimized and making sure their diplomatic stance doesnt degrade further.


China is even worse in this regard. Their whole system is full blown capitalism and they are in bed with Uncle Sam all the time.


Who else on the resistance list? Yemen... Venezuela?


I don’t see a single sane, prosperous, stable nation ''resisting'' the Americans. Not one.

I remind you the US actually takes a lot of shit from its so called partners. Our own country literally killed hundreds of their soldiers, stormed their embassy, paraded their staff live on TV, froze their assets, and spent decades in antiAmerican activity.


And yet even now if IR was genuine the US would still extend their hand. Thats the reality.

U.S. could have nuked Iran, or devastated it in 1980s if it wanted to.

Give America 15-20 years. The next generation of American leaders will hate Israel more than they hate Iran.

It is a fallacy to think you can win, playing this crusade against ZOG empire while under severe sanctions and arms embargo. China didn't do it, nobody did it.

It's not like Iran gained nothing from the U.S. during Shah era. Alot of Iran's technological foundation comes from what he imported in the 60s and 70s.

I just don't want to see a Pro Israel government, and soon you won't have to be in order to befriend Americans.

 

[ToddE]

World doesnt work like that. Its not either become a North Korea hermit state or become a puppet.


First thing you should be asking yourself is: why even ''resist'' the Americans? Which sane nation does this? Whats the purpose? For what?


Russia, the same Russia thats being prostate massaged daily by the brainless Khamenei cult literally hosts a US embassy on its soil. They have daily interactions with top US diplomats keeping tensions minimized and making sure their diplomatic stance doesnt degrade further.


China is even worse in this regard. Their whole system is full blown capitalism and they are in bed with Uncle Sam all the time.


Who else on the resistance list? Yemen... Venezuela?


I don’t see a single sane, prosperous, stable nation ''resisting'' the Americans. Not one.

I remind you the US actually takes a lot of shit from its so called partners. Our own country literally killed hundreds of their soldiers, stormed their embassy, paraded their staff live on TV, froze their assets, and spent decades in antiAmerican activity.


And yet even now if IR was genuine the US would still extend their hand. Thats the reality.

More and more actions of IRI and their results point to the fact that IRI is nothing but a Russo installed Regime. Its job is make sure that Iran never gets economically strong to its true potential to compete in oil market or for influence in Eurasia, never becomes militarily strong enough to pose strategic threat in ME/CA/Caucasus or go after its stolen Iranian lands. IRI ensures that through self immolation policies of meaningless fights Israel and US and entire west so Iran stays weak through crippling sanctions.

Russia does not see Iran as anything else as to what Czar Russia saw Iranian empire or USSR saw Shahi Iran. They have just succeeded in doing what they could not do for centuries. Subdue a challenger in south with which they fought wars after wars over territory. Oil n gas competition is new and even more bigger factor.

I am not against Russia or Russian people. They are doing best for their nation. I am against national suicide that IRI is pushing Iranian nation to commit.