Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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OldTwilight
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vizier
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Iran after the conflict needed to build enough number of fake decoy truck launchers(even remote controlled possible) and also fake silos in many mountain-flat positions. At least it will confuse israel in the next attack providing fake targets. Noone no outside entity will do the thinking for you other than yourself before things happen.
Michael
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China is happy to develop friendly relations with any country in the world.
But, our logic is completely different from that of Western countries.
So, if Iran wants to be more friendly with China and hope to receive more assistance from China, then it needs to better understand China's logic.
BTW.
I don't know if this is Khamenei's official account.
If this is Khamenei, then it's a good start. But it's only a start...
Persian Gulf
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it is his official account
BigMela2onin
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Its location and a population of 90 million. The alternative is national death, take your pick.
ShapurII
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It's not about population only. It's about economy and military power.
Nigeria has 230 million people. Does it give it a strategic advantage?
Iran's only enemy is not the West, but our neighbors as well.
Nobody wants a weak country with too many enemies on their side. If you want Iran to side with China or Russia, you should first get strong. Otherwise, it will never happen. At best, the same thing that has happened will continue to happen: They will play with Iran as a card.
BigMela2onin
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This is impossible at this point, you need guarantees from an outside power to build that strength. Anything that can be viewed as a threat will be destroyed now because IR has no way to defend Iran. Any vaguely strategic factories or sites will be destroyed like the carbon fiber factory that was hit. Even if IR had the will to go nuclear (it doesn't), it's too infiltrated and surveilled to actually do so without someone guaranteeing its security in the meantime.
ShapurII
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There will be no guarantees for weak countries. This is delusional.
How many times does Iran have to experience the same thing?
Have you forgotten how the guarantees for Iran worked during World War II?
How can they give you guarantees when they have better ties with your neighbors, who never miss an opportunity to weaken you? lol
BigMela2onin
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Again there is no alternative. The status quo or opposition victory means national death and becoming the world's largest group of stateless people. IR and its policies are the culmination of three centuries of continuous decline, and if it fails now, it will be the end of Iran in our lifetimes at least.
ShapurII
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What you are suggesting is not an alternative either.
It is something that has been thoroughly tested in our history.
The most recent example of it is JCPOA. It is basically JCPOA 2.0, but even more useless.
There are only two options:
1. Go nuclear. Iran needs to follow the same path as North Korea for a while. Stay low, do not talk, shut up and work on improving your nuclear deterrence.
2. Surrender. Let the West get what they want. Become pro-Israel. Help Israel wipe Palestinians off the map. Turn into a country like Saudi Arabia, Turkey or pre-revolution Iran. Let them install whoever they want. Be it Reza Pahlavi, Maryam Rajavi or Hassan Rohani.
The whole idea that China or Russia will give Iran guarantees is nonsense. The concept of a permanent UNSC member giving guarantees to a non-member state is absolutely ridiculous and delusional.
BigMela2onin
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Neither of these are options either, DPRK is a much stronger state that controls its borders. Iran is too infiltrated and surveilled to go nuclear. There is no political will in IR anyways other than some individual majlesis saying it every once in a while.
Surrender is also not an option, the west does not accept surrenders. The goal is a failed state like Syria or Libya, at best they will install a jewlani-like leader to praise the jews every time they bomb something while they loot the resources like in Syria. Even historically, Qaddafi tried to make peace with the west and paid reparations for Lockerbie yet was still killed and Libya was destroyed. Chances of becoming like Saudi Arabia or Turkey with the west's help is less than zero.
ShapurII
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Actually, the West does accept surrender actually. Look no further, see Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran. The Pahlavi dynasty remained in power, power was passed down to Mohammad Reza. The transition of power was nearly smooth. The US even helped Iran's integrity against all the odds. Want other examples? Germany, Japan, Italy, etc.
You just need to let them control everything, which is not very different from our current situation. The only difference is that the people who control our country will change. Now it's Russia that controls Iran through Khamenei.
This whole idea of infiltration is nonsense. Iran is too large for surveillance to be the reason that we have not developed nukes. The regime simply does not want to go nuclear because it is corrupt to the core and didn't think this day would come. There is no political will because Khamenei at the top is a KGB agent.
BigMela2onin
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Different west and different time. If US didn't step in and rebuild those nations, they would have become communist and become allies of the Soviet Union. They did it because it was in their interest to do so. Today, the US isn't rebuilding Syria or Libya and no one is rushing to do so, Russia sends in some mercs to make money from local warlords at best. If Iran disappears it is no loss to the west, it would actually be a benefit, which is why they're working on making it happen.
Also modern west is more openly fascistic and violent today. The collateral murder video was a leak and a scandal, now Rubio proudly posts videos of them blowing up a random boat on twitter and says "it was 100% a drug smuggling boat." They are committing genocide openly and sanctioning the ICC for calling it genocide and denying visas to the victims. Actually a big motivation for smaller countries to bring the ICC case is because they realize the same fate awaits them in the future if they accept this.
Again, now the plan is to just physically occupy what they need and let the rest burn. Trump just openly says that they "got the oil" in Syria. When they occupy Khuzestan, it will be the same thing.
Infiltration and surveillance is one of many reasons they don't go for nuclearization, not the only reason. It's more likely khamenei works for the US/jews than for Russia. His actions have mostly benefited the west and not Russia other than the drone deal. Things like INSTC have not amounted to much.
You're right that the only way out of this mess is to become strong, but it's too late to develop domestic strength. If the option is between become a full "eastern puppet" or a failed state "western puppet," the answer is clear.
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Faani83
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