Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

He is a realist, not one-sided like Morandi. I listened to one of his interviews before the 12-day war, and he predicted it. He was spot on.

Marandi has become a propagandist.
Foad Izadi is probably the best analyst of the conservatives.

We have three great analysts inside Iran that try to tell the truth without taking sides.
1. Mohammad Nadimi, 2. Foad Izadi and 3. Abolfazl Bazargan

All the three of them correctly predicted the war weeks before it happened.
And all of them believe that Iran has no choice but to obtain nuclear weapons.

 

[ShapurII]

I remind you the US actually takes a lot of shit from its so called partners. Our own country literally killed hundreds of their soldiers, stormed their embassy, paraded their staff live on TV, froze their assets, and spent decades in antiAmerican activity.


And yet even now if IR was genuine the US would still extend their hand. Thats the reality.

The US is surely an evil empire. They have been involved in multiple devastating conflicts around the world and they are supporting an ongoing genocide in Palestine, but they're nowhere as evil as the Ayatollahs portray them to be.

But if Iran wants to establish ties with the US, we should consider the Jewish lobby in the US as well. We should stop fighting with Israel. It's not our war. We need a soft transition of power in Iran because the other option is very ugly. Blind alliance with China is not going to save Iran because non-member states can never enforce guarantees against UNSC permanent members.

We need China and we should improve our ties with China, but if people here think that China will give Iran guarantees or help Iran stand against the US or Israel, they're dead wrong.

Yep.

U.S. could have nuked Iran, or devastated it in 1980s if it wanted to.

Give America 15-20 years. The next generation of American leaders will hate Israel more than they hate Iran.

It is a fallacy to think you can win, playing this crusade against ZOG empire while under severe sanctions and arms embargo. China didn't do it, nobody did it.

It's not like Iran gained nothing from the U.S. during Shah era. Alot of Iran's technological foundation comes from what he imported in the 60s and 70s.

I just don't want to see a Pro Israel government, and soon you won't have to be in order to befriend Americans.

You are absolutely right. In fact, Carter said that honestly and directly.
He said when the Iranians took over our embassy, I felt really angry and devastated because Rosalynn and he had spent so much time in Iran. Then he used something close to your wording. He said he could nuke Tehran but he realized that any serious war with Iran would kill so many innocent Iranians.

The Ayatollahs do no understand how lucky they were that they faced Carter. Carter was a true Christian and a pacifist. Had somebody like Trump been in power back then, the embassy crisis could've turned really ugly for Iran. Even Khomeini understood that later, as they released all the hostages as soon as Reagan took the office.

The Americans have tremendously helped Iran in the past. People in Tehran still call Nelson Mandela Boulevard in Tehran as the "Jordan Street" in honor of Samuel Jordan who established the first modern high school (Alborz) in Tehran. They helped us build our infrastructure. No other European country has helped Iran as much as the Americans. That's a fact nobody can deny.

Had not Shahi Iran allied itself with US post WWII, USSR would have taken chunks out of entire NW Iran and created atleast 4 x Soviet republics out of Iranian territory. US pushed Stalin out of Iran. People forget this history. They armed Shahi Iran to the extent that in case of US vs USSR showdown, Shahi Iran with its mighty military and economic power would have created a new highly problematic front for USSR in south, more devastating that what entire EU could offer at that time. Later the same US supplied weaponry saved Iran from being invaded by Arab League + USSR powered Baathist war machine. Even during that war US supplied IRI with Fighter jet spares, A2A missiles, I-Hawks, TOW ATGMs etc. Mullahs try to hide this history because it exposes them as hypocrites. Forget US Israel supplied F-4E/D parts to Iran. IRIAF and IAF jointly attacked Osirak Nuclear plant. Trita Parsi wrote an entire book on this called "Treacherous Alliances" secret dealings of US, IRI, Israel.

Khomeini was hot-headed, but he was calculating and a realist. Khamenei is just a fool that has turned Iran into Putin's puppet.

 

[Immortals]

So Nukes don’t protect your country like so many of the Call of Duty Xbox Enthusiasts of this board tell us they will?



Looks Americans have little honor —attacking during negotiations is becoming their hallmark.

 

[Shafagh]

The US is surely an evil empire. They have been involved in multiple devastating conflicts around the world and they are supporting an ongoing genocide in Palestine, but they're nowhere as evil as the Ayatollahs portray them to be.

But if Iran wants to establish ties with the US, we should consider the Jewish lobby in the US as well. We should stop fighting with Israel. It's not our war. We need a soft transition of power in Iran because the other option is very ugly. Blind alliance with China is not going to save Iran because non-member states can never enforce guarantees against UNSC permanent members.

We need China and we should improve our ties with China, but if people here think that China will give Iran guarantees or help Iran stand against the US or Israel, they're dead wrong.


You are absolutely right. In fact, Carter said that honestly and directly.
He said when the Iranians took over our embassy, I felt really angry and devastated because Rosalynn and he had spent so much time in Iran. Then he used something close to your wording. He said he could nuke Tehran but he realized that any serious war with Iran would kill so many innocent Iranians.

The Ayatollahs do no understand how lucky they were that they faced Carter. Carter was a true Christian and a pacifist. Had somebody like Trump been in power back then, the embassy crisis could've turned really ugly for Iran. Even Khomeini understood that later, as they released all the hostages as soon as Reagan took the office.

The Americans have tremendously helped Iran in the past. People in Tehran still call Nelson Mandela Boulevard in Tehran as the "Jordan Street" in honor of Samuel Jordan who established the first modern high school (Alborz) in Tehran. They helped us build our infrastructure. No other European country has helped Iran as much as the Americans. That's a fact nobody can deny.


Khomeini was hot-headed, but he was calculating and a realist. Khamenei is just a fool that has turned Iran into Putin's puppet.

At the start of the hostage crisis, he was going to send police to throw out the protesters.

His nephew convinced him to go along with it and ride the wave of popular support.

One stupid decision from a moron caused decades of animosity between the two countries.

Iran could have had diplomatic relations with the Americans, and did so for first 8 months after the revolution.

 

[ShapurII]

At the start of the hostage crisis, he was going to send police to throw out the protesters.

His nephew convinced him to go along with it and ride the wave of popular support.

One stupid decision from a moron caused decades of animosity between the two countries.

Iran could have had diplomatic relations with the Americans, and did so for first 8 months after the revolution.

You are right.
As a matter of fact, the American ambassador to Tehran was discussing bilateral ties with the interim government of Bazargaran when the embassy attack happened. That's why the ambassador was never captured by the revolutionaries. He was not in the embassy at the time and he left Iran on an airplane.

Americans did accept the Iranian revolution, they even tried to improve their relations with the new system in Iran. The Ayatollahs f*cked up really bad because they panicked and thought the Americans wanted to bring the Shah back in a coup. And then they started to chant "Death to America", "Death to Israel" every week in Friday prayers.

One has to look at the situation objectively. It's a war that we started it with our stupidity. Israel never wanted to destroy Iran before this Polish pig, Netanyahu, took power in late 90s. And the Americans couldn't care less about Iran as long as we guaranteed their interests in Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

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[vizier]

He is saying that we have to choose someone confirmed, allowed and checked by west. It means we have to turn into a western vassal. USA won't be satisfied with just an stooge, on the contrary, they will first take a revenge on Iranians for undermining US' global dominance for decades, for kidnapping their spies in their so called embassy and so on.

What he wants is exactly what west and Israel wants. He tells you i don't want to answer but the truth is, he has nothing to say except act like an slippery snake.

Looking at from outside the truth seems to be somewhat in the middle. Not a system change which will turn directly to installing stooges by western-zog foreign backing but definately there have been some mistakes like waiting israeli bombs at the apartments and not thinking enough and taking enough precautions(especially after 2023 quad copter drone strikes in Iran) from the Iranian leaderships side. Some responsibles need to adapt or if are directly responsible in security gaps need to be changed. If Iranian leaderships intent is good and I believe it is then they can adapt and improve for the better it is not difficult. There seems to be a lack of constructive self criticism. Next time israel will try different new attack strategies(possibly eastern Iran will be targeted as well they couldnt reach there last time) and Iranians need to think of possible ways that israel can do these kind of attacks to take intelligent precautions before it happens. The precautions that address israeli previous attack will not be enough next time.

There should be some change in understanding and perspective in philosophy as well regardless of sect in my opinion. A philosophy based on waiting things to happen from outside(because you are muslim etc.) from an outside entity results in lack of self criticism, lack of self development and high emotional reactionism(easily triggered by manipulators to make us show certain behaviors). The solution is not a philosophy of wahdat vujud like classical sufism it has its flaws like it can deny existance and turn to nihilism and inaction neglecting worldly matters. The solution is not waiting from outside to happen either this kind of thinking has its flaws as well. There is very little or no human role and negligible responsibility-self development in that. By thinking, working hard,showing resistance to problems and having certainity of belief the solutions will come from through us to solve the problems of the world. Like for example after 2023 attacks if a well thought crackdown took place against foreign agents and uncover their processes-networks kamikaze drone strikes would not be effective and nuclear scientists would still be alive if they were taken to secure bunkers and even well hidden camouflaged-decoy protected silos would have devastated israel much harder last time and many other things that could have been better. But still it was a win for Iran if lessons are learned from the last time and necessary improvements are made.

 

[kastor ville]

Israel wanted regime change in Iran. Zionists failed militarily.

Now their western stooges are trying to convince us about the fact that we need a new system.

As it seems, something like this phrase. I failed to achieve it on the ground, please do it in online platforms.

Many western users appeared in this forum all of a sudden simultaneously to Israeli and US led attack on Iran. And coincidentally they all want regime change. But not through war, since its impossible. Its better to prepare minds of Iranians by disappointing them, by instilling failure into their thoughts.

Gentlemen and ladies, the ones reading this thread, its called 'war of narratives', actually a part of enemy's hybrid warfare.

Let me say this without emotions, because unload on you, but I'll refrain, you are one lost sheep, you're exactly the same guy that told us they can't do anything, and if they try we will bash them, you said this stuff in the old PDF, but now, you have been proven so wrong.....yet, you feel no shame, no self reflection on how you could've been so wrong, instead you spout more nonsense and accuse Iranians as Western tools, traitors, etc.
In the near future, Iranians will see your group as the cause of our downfall, you've had 40 yrs to improve the country and grow our economy and influence, instead it's been a downward spiral. One truth which you cannot argue or defend......Your group failed, you didn't grow the economy, you didn't protect the country and/or our interests. Your group...failed.

One more thing, Iran doesn't have a democracy, that's how lost you are, you don't know what a democracy is.
How can you call it a democracy when the people have to vetted and approved by the Guardian Council before they can run....how many Iranians have been disqualified from running in the past 4 decades?
Now go away, read a couple of books and learn something.

 

[FUB]

 

[Lulldapull]

So Nukes don’t protect your country like so many of the Call of Duty Xbox Enthusiasts of this board tell us they will?



Looks Americans have little honor —attacking during negotiations is becoming their hallmark.

US can disappear the DPRK in two minutes. Fat Kim's got nothing to defend himself with.....and neither does China. Chinese junk all failed in Pakistan.

Everybody knows now.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Imam Ali SSM base

40 IRGC-ASF officers martyred at this base after launching 70 missiles

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iranian civilians were bringing their own cranes to help IRGC-ASF missile forces

 

[Persian Gulf]

lots of stories about missile launching operations under fire (drones)

12 officers were martyred trying to launch one missile, but the 13th officer managed to launch the missile

and the quoted tweet is about IRIB manager (Hooman Khalili) who showed incredible bravery and stayed in the building while it was attacked by Israel and walked out of the burning building nonchalantly after the others were shouting at him to leave but he stayed to transfer the signal so the broadcast wouldn't be cut off

 

[Persian Gulf]