India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[gamaji]

Do you have the link to the presser you mentioned, bro. I want to review that

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What you suggest is plausible. I mean Indian Government and the military was in shell shock on the 8th and the 9th May. Why did India attack on 10 May? Why did it need to do? I guess they were desperate to come out of that shell shock.

After the conflict the way their Generals and others went abroad to admit losses rather than mention it in India also proves they were really scared and shocked what had happened.

It was due to Modi's stubborn nature and sick mentality.

Even after getting the IAF humiliated by PAF in the morning of 27 Feb. 2019, Modi wanted to launch a missile attack the same night on Pakistan. It was Pakistan's threat to reciprocate it with a response several times stronger and to some extent the international pressure that Modi was forced to desist from that stupidity. Later he was found shamelessly saying that if we had Rafale...

Almost the same scenario developed after six years on 7th of May this year. Indians were humiliated when their IAF lost six fighter jets (including 4 Rafales) and still Modi refused to backdown. Indian military command was already reluctant to get into an adventure against Pakistan, after the beating they received on early hours of May 7th got them all shellshocked. While the IAF remained grounded for at least two days, Modi resorted to using drones and missiles (some of them being nuke capable ones) to consistently attack vital Pakistani installations.

It was only after Pakistan's retaliatory attack on Indian military installations on May 10th that Modi fell on his knees and started begging for a ceasefire. I think Pakistan let Modi off the hook without paying the full price for his consistent bigotry and repeated aggression against Pakistan. Pakistan should have broken the Indian military and economic back bone to create a true deterrence against expansionist Indian policies towards Pakistan.

We are seeing the results of that mistake since then. Modi kept threatening Pakistan with operation Sindoor 2 and now using/manipulating the flood waters as a weapon. Let's hope Pakistan will really get the India's backbone broken and it's leaders will to attack Pakistan again fully destroyed if Modi's sick mentality persists and forces him to commit an aggression against Pakistan yet once more.

 

[gamaji]

You people do realise the world buys very little of your narritive

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Alternate world and all that I guess

Yeah, that's evident from the diplomatic snubs that Indians are still getting, Modi isolated, and Jaishankar disappeared.

On the contrary, Pakistan is marching ahead and getting unprecedented respect in world capitals.

Difference between the defeated and humiliated Indians and honored Pakistani winners is as much clear at the global stage as it gets.

 

[TAC]

You people do realise the world buys very little of your narritive

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Alternate world and all that I guess

And your ‘world’ being second rate ex USAF who are severely butt hurt about Chinese tech beating the crap out of the best & most expensive of the West?
Now run along and count how many of your top of the line jets including your latest hope Ra-fail got smashed, as reported & well understood in the real world well beyond click hungry YouTubers.

 

[TAC]

The thread is called India lucky not to lose more planes ...

My question is was Pakistan lucky their was cease fire

What if the battle group parked 300km out side karachi launched 60 Brahmos cruise missles in Karachi or Gwader

This is a two way street guys
You had no answer to Indian long range cruise missiles and drones

Amusing to see shameless Indians still trying to cope with the epic humiliation of losing so many of their top of the line jets including Ra-fail, without apparently even managing to get a shot off in response - by equating those shameful losses to somehow being the same as firing stand off weapons from the deep safety of 100’s of km inside India. Yeah sure pal, all square and ‘two way street’. After what u called ‘bad day at the office’ in 2019 and now riding the ‘mighty’ Ra-fail, u really expected them to do better this time, didn’t u? How sad that you’re left to scratch and scrape around about long range missiles in desperate effort to cope and salvage some semblance of dignity. Least you’re not on your own, all your Govt and Military officials been doing the same since the bitch slapping they got. Latest example being the comical claims of your disgrace to his uniform AC. Cope harder.

 

[TallGuy]

We are post conflict now and its time to look at the shortcomings. And when those are highlighted, the usual suspects will show up to bootlick their mai baap in GHQ, obviously due to their political affiliations. "we" "hum" "they" "us" means jack, when vested interests are taking political mileage out of this conflict. One made himself "field marshal" while doing F'all, while PAF left scratching its head... really?

You conveniently referred to army song, without realising, that like in many conflict of the past, in this conflict as well, overwhelming majority of Shaheeds came from "bloody" civilians. The "we" without the number one stake holder of this country, its civilians, means nothing.

again, i think you miss the point! this is not a political forum nor the thread, so if you have grievances, you should discuss in relevant thread.

I will not discuss politically motivated discussion in a military thread.

 

[TallGuy]

battle group parked 300km

please first come and Park it! its rich coming from you, please ask Rakesh at what distance your beloved Navy was with your Carrier Battle Group.

damn it! - your battle group at 300km would have been sitting at bottom of Arabian sea.

first at least make your submarines come in Pakistani EEZ then go talk about your NAVY!

Ask Rakesh?

 

[Areesh]

Err…. Or maybe, just maybe the elephant in the room? Pakistan was / is in no condition to face a major / prolonged war so hoped that downing of those 6 odd top IAF jets was enough to be a ‘response’. But Indians were so humiliated by the same that they couldn’t let it go so kept prodding and provoking until Pakistan was forced to respond, but still in very measured way due to the same elephant.

There was no need to shoot down those IAF aircraft either

Since Pakistan was not in a position to fight a prolonged war so why risk it altogether and instead just kill one or two Indian soldiers at loc and call it appropriate response to Indian aggression. In any case more targets on the night of 7 may were hit by Indian artillery anyways and not Indian airforce

If cowardice is the policy going forward then pursue it in the right manner. Why get squadron leader Usman killed and then do nothing about it?

The response was poor and there is no way you can sugarcoat it. Not only it gave some sort of face-saving to the enemy but it also left door open for future acts of aggression by India

 

[TAC]

There was no need to shoot down those IAF aircraft either

Since Pakistan was not in a position to fight a prolonged war so why risk it altogether and instead just kill one or two Indian soldiers at loc and call it appropriate response to Indian aggression. In any case more targets on the night of 7 may were hit by Indian artillery anyways and not Indian airforce

If cowardice is the policy going forward then pursue it in the right manner. Why get squadron leader Usman killed and then do nothing about it?

The response was poor and there is no way you can sugarcoat it. Not only it gave some sort of face-saving to the enemy but it also left door open for future acts of aggression by India

Not ‘sugar coating’ anything just stating facts. You don’t see it that way, good for you.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

SL Osama is credited with the Rafale Kill over Bhatinda.

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yaar iss nay kaala surma tau nahi lagayaa? indian nay ab nahi maanna kay ye even pakistani pilot b hai..

 

[ThoroughPro]

The thread is called India lucky not to lose more planes ...

My question is was Pakistan lucky their was cease fire

What if the battle group parked 300km out side karachi launched 60 Brahmos cruise missles in Karachi or Gwader

This is a two way street guys
You had no answer to Indian long range cruise missiles and drones

India was lucky, because PAF did not shoot more which they could have easily shot down as IAF had absolutely no clue what was happening to them.

Regarding the ceasefire, despite Indian falsehood and propaganda, it was India that asked for the ceasefire, not Pakistan. On record (Check your PM, defense minister and foreign ministers statements) India asked for the ceasefire even before Pakistan started to retaliate.

 

[gamaji]

The thread is called India lucky not to lose more planes ...

My question is was Pakistan lucky their was cease fire

What if the battle group parked 300km out side karachi launched 60 Brahmos cruise missles in Karachi or Gwader

This is a two way street guys
You had no answer to Indian long range cruise missiles and drones

That battle group now should get those 60 brahmos struck into Modi's arse who fell on his knees begging for the ceasefire and was given that ceasefire at Pakistani terms. Modi committed to those terms to president Trump.

 

[ThoroughPro]

have you seen any patient in a critical condition lately in Pak?!!
Yes

have you seen any cancer patient in Pak??
Yes

do you have any idea of scalability of costs in $ terms of just 10 days of war?!!!
Yes

do you know anything about blackholes, market liquidity, inflationary pressures, abrupt market shocks due to dollar shortages?!!!
Yes

do you have some one who is nearly blind or aged?!!!
Aged, Yes.

im not criticizing your view point, im just saying, have you understood well, implications of war for Pak?!!!!

dont be under any illusions!

I am not under any illusions, on the contrary I am a very realistic and practical person. The enemy/war came knocking at our door, what our Airforce did on the night of 6/7 was not an aggression rather a fully justified act of self defense.

Shooting down only six jets was apparently not a big cost to the enemy, that is why they comeback again on 9th / 10th to strike our bases and damage an air asset, we were lucky or it could have been an even greater tragedy and loss to our assets only because we did not exact a heavy enough cost on the enemy.

Had we shot down 25/30 of their jets including 10/12 Rafales, their appetite for counter attacks would have dissipated faster than spark in the rain. By not shooting down more planes, we gave them the initiative, and that resulted in us incurring more costs by spending offensive and defensive ammunition, losing precious lives, and sustaining some damage to our bases.

I have a very simple logic, if someone slaps me, I am not going to respond by counter slap and then wait for the reaction, I am going to break their arm so there is no response.

 

[harpy1]

Reality is no one knows about the claims of six shot down or pak.sssets lost in raids accross your entire air bases accross the entire line of control borders even your biggest cities...it's all propaganda X

Pakistan we defeated India shot down six jets in one hour on 7th

India we bombed their bases destroyed infrastructure and damaged assets I hangors.

Pakistan we could have destroyed lots more planes showed restraint

India we had 14 warships off Karachi cosst ready to launch massive cruise missle raid

Will never know

 

[gamaji]

again, i think you miss the point! this is not a political forum nor the thread, so if you have grievances, you should discuss in relevant thread.

I will not discuss politically motivated discussion in a military thread.

Bro, leave him alone. With as much of a brain as a lower level PTI-supporter can have, cannot help but jump into the political shit in every serious thread. Why not just leave him playing with his own filth?

 

[flyingorca]

My assumption is 4 including one Rafale.

So 4 because of visually confirmed wreckage then why Indians claim 6 PAF jets shot down without any evidence? You do realize that protestors were throwing stones at GHQ few years ago so what makes Indians think civilians a

weak/compromised society cannot produce strong leaders!

people are culprit as well!

no body willing to take responsibility.

i have hardly seen any body doing extra work beyond their responsibilities..

leaving aside, accomplishing more than what is required is a smaller problem, when one realizes, no one even cares to do their job properly..

no average Pak. wants to achieve more, all want to perform 5 times prayers for sub par performance and flattery!

At one time, I asked my team mate (assistant) to improve on the excel performance, as, functions used gave the impression of some one doing a 'novice' job..

his replied was, I am a nephew of General Manager, how dare you ask me to do that!

kudos to Pak. society!

I think it was pretty much airforce show on both sides. Aleast pakistan army did more then Indian army. Besides their cruise missiles, Indian milf was sleeping