Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

Reaction from one my uber Liberal WASP friend from a few minutes ago; my uber Trumpeter friend is having a medical procedure done so yet to receive from him but no doubt he will say some nasty things about 'the left'.

"The Kirk guy never heard of either untill yesterday. A lot of pundits think he was instrumental in getting the youth vote for Orange Sleazebag. He came off as just another Hate speech propagator to me with everything Iv'e read about him. Course no one deserves to be shot and am opposed to assasinations but won't shed a tear for him, feel sorry for his kids and wife thou."

What do you make of the confusion found in Americans regarding such hardcore terrorism where people are too busy politicising an act of terror?

This stark contrasting views and divide is not found in Pakistan as the society has categorically rejected all manifestation of terrorism.
 
That's been part of the problem. Some reports say 130 (140) yards and others are saying 200. The University is stating 200. Regardless, someone with my background, that is a warmup.

The fact the shooter chose to use a .30 caliber cartridge and not a 5.56 as the shooter in Butler did tells me a few things.

What does 0.3 vs 5.56 mean? For those of us, who are not into guns or understand the differences ?
 
Since I moved to Australia, I have had a few run-ins with people on both sides about gun rights. People who are against gun rights always ask why the US is full of guns, and people who are pro-gun rights always tell me how authoritarian the Australian government is for taking guns away.

Bear in mind, gun ownership is still allowed in Australia, but you need a license, and there are several limitations on firearms ownership.

Both the Army and the Police Force taught me how to use firearms effectively. But the key difference, I will tell you, is this: I would want to get a firearm in the US because everyone has one, and in some cases, three, four, five, or ten. In Australia, I don't really have the need to get one. And I will tell you why.

Most people cite self-defence as a reason for guns, yes, if you are talking about the US, because you are going to go against people who have guns. If you don't have one, you aren't going to be able to protect shit, so you can call it a "Self-Inflicted" injury, because that's what the 2nd Amendment brought on. On the other hand, the stance between Australia and America on mass shootings cannot be further apart. In the US, people believe that if they are carrying, they would be able to stop any mass shooting. In Australia, that's the opposite; if NOBODY is armed, then you don't have mass shootings to begin with. If you are trying to digest both reasoning, you will see the American side is more "passive" because most Americans are resigned to the fact that gun issues and gun crime are going to be associated with them. In Australia, on the other hand, Australians believe in proper law enforcement and crime prevention before reaction. That aligns with the position of law enforcement and how people perceive their rights.

Here in the UK, seeing a police officer with a gun is still an "unusual" event that most people will triple look at. We are in the UK not used to seeing guns anywhere ( except in very select places in an airport/train stations) and that to me is a better place to be.

Having guns for hunting is permissible in the UK, but even that is exceptionally rare and there are all kinds of restrictions on those firearms.

In mainland Europe, you will see more guns on police officers compared to the UK, but even then, Gun crime is low.

I think the UK model is the best, I never ever have to think about guns ever, no one does and that is a happy place imho.
 
Seems like a very professional assassin carried out the killing the question is why Mossad killed him?
 
If I was in charge of security I would have scanned the area with a drone. A $500 drone would have spotted the shooter. To me it appears that loopholes were left open on purpose.

Charlie Kirk was not an important enough individual to warrant that level of security. He is a semi-nobody until he got shot and it became prime news, as his death was hijacked for the theatrics of the left-right divide in the USA. This bloke holds no office of state, so why should he command such security protocols ?
 
What does 0.3 vs 5.56 mean? For those of us, who are not into guns or understand the differences ?
30 cal means 30.06 or 30- 6, it's a type of caliber used during WW2. Sometimes people will use 30 cal for just about everything, 7 mm, NATO 7.62x51mm is .308, there are also other calibers mostly used for hunting called .380


5.56 is a NATO-designated M855 or S109 5.56x45mm cartridge, a kind of military cartridge. It's basically the same as the .223 Remington round used in a civilian rifle.


The difference between the two is the barrel that fires them; the 30 caliber is bigger, you need a bigger bore/diameter for them, it also packs more powder, which means more extended range and more stopping power, ideally for hunting, and is probably the caliber used in this assassination. 556 is smaller, but you get more rounds per magazine (standard 20-round magazine with 7.62 and a 30-round magazine). 556 is used in what most people call the AR platform, which refers to any firearm that resembles an M-4. People usually use a .30 caliber for single-shot or bolt-action rifles, while .556 caliber for self-reloading rifles.

You need to be more familiar with firearm to shoot 7.62 as they offer higher kick, and the fact that the shooter is using Bolt Action single shot means he knows something about firearms, that's soime basic knowledge because bolt action means your firearms don't move when you fire, self-loading (or otherwise known as semi-auto) would move the bolt for you so when the bolt move, your entire firearms move, that translate to less accurate, that mean the shooter have some degree of firearms knowledge, most likely a hunter.
 
Here in the UK, seeing a police officer with a gun is still an "unusual" event that most people will triple look at. We are in the UK not used to seeing guns anywhere ( except in very select places in an airport/train stations) and that to me is a better place to be.

Having guns for hunting is permissible in the UK, but even that is exceptionally rare and there are all kinds of restrictions on those firearms.

In mainland Europe, you will see more guns on police officers compared to the UK, but even then, Gun crime is low.

I think the UK model is the best, I never ever have to think about guns ever, no one does and that is a happy place imho.
Well, I don't want to discuss which system is the best, it really depends, I mean if you are an American. You move to the UK and Australia, you may find it worse than when you are in the US, and vice versa, I know people who move to US from Australia or UK don't even touch any firearms, and I also know American move to Australia do both way.

I think it depends on what you are used to. If you are coming from a gun culture, it's tough to live without your firearms, even the entire circumstance changed. But if you don't have a firearm culture, then you don't think you need one at all, even in a place surrounded by firearms.

About cops, Australian cops carry sidearms, but crime here is relatively low, even tho most Australian Police don't have a patrol division. As in Aussie Cop, don't patrol the street. I have had a detailed discussion with Gambit about policing in some other thread, and I think it is just down to how you police your community.
 
What do you make of the confusion found in Americans regarding such hardcore terrorism where people are too busy politicising an act of terror?

It feels like the society is unraveling here. My own theory is that people have fundamentally changed during the Corona Virus Pandemic starting 2019--there is increased anxiety, psychosis, fear, violence, isolation but that's just my own theory. The political divide is way too much--outright hatred between Right and Left.

This is one of the topmost stories on NY Times right now.


After Kirk Killing, Americans Agree on One Thing: Something Is Seriously Wrong​

In interviews from across the country, people expressed fear and wariness, and said that the country seemed to be spinning out of control.

A longtime conservative, Mr. Padron said he first assumed “a hate crime against a Republican” had just happened. But then he thought of other recent acts of political violence across the political spectrum, from the attempts last year on the president’s life to the fatal shootings in June of a Democratic lawmaker in Minnesota and her husband. It seemed to him as if some terrible disease was gripping the nation, with no cure on the horizon.

“This could happen to anybody in this country,” Mr. Padron said, speaking from his home near the Mexican border. “I think that people across the board are afraid.”

That anxiety echoed this week in interviews with Americans, including a group of voters that The New York Times has been following throughout the Trump presidency. No matter their politics, people said they were deeply unsettled after the killing of Mr. Kirk, who had built a national movement promoting right-wing politics on campuses like the one in Utah where his life ended.

Some of those interviewed had not heard of Mr. Kirk. Others felt strongly about him and his politics, for and against. But virtually all agreed that Mr. Kirk’s violent death seemed to confirm a deep fear that something is seriously wrong in this nation.
 
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Is it only me? Or did you see it too?

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This is the rifle the FBI said recovered in the wood

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I see a bag, I don't see a rifle. And I don't think you can take down that Mauser and put it into that bag, it's way too small, and even if you can with bits sticking out, he would have to resemble the rifle in the woods for it to be found intact....
 
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