Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

[KingQamaR]

The right, wise kind of father.
This young man was going to be caught anyway and that would quite possibly put the entire family in shame and with consequences beyond the shame.

Can't be easy for a father to send his son to the electric chair ...

 

[krash]

We have next to zero guns in Britain! That hasn't stopped violence.

I am for gun ownership. If you get invaded then you have 2 options;

1. present your arse to the invader
2. fight back

You might want to compare your gun violence incidents per capita to those in the US. How many school shootings did you have this year? Every country that has banned mass gun ownership has proved it's value. This isn't a debate.

If your military has been overrun there's nothing you can do with any gun that you may own. You'll be taken out within minutes. Realistically, you will have left the area before that.

 

[El Sidd]

It feels like the society is unraveling here. My own theory is that people have fundamentally changed during the Corona Virus Pandemic starting 2019--there is increased anxiety, psychosis, fear, violence, isolation but that's just my own theory. The political divide is way too much--outright hatred between Right and Left.

This is one of the topmost stories on NY Times right now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/12/us/politics/charlie-kirk-voters-politics-violence.html

After Kirk Killing, Americans Agree on One Thing: Something Is Seriously Wrong​

In interviews from across the country, people expressed fear and wariness, and said that the country seemed to be spinning out of control.

A longtime conservative, Mr. Padron said he first assumed “a hate crime against a Republican” had just happened. But then he thought of other recent acts of political violence across the political spectrum, from the attempts last year on the president’s life to the fatal shootings in June of a Democratic lawmaker in Minnesota and her husband. It seemed to him as if some terrible disease was gripping the nation, with no cure on the horizon.

“This could happen to anybody in this country,” Mr. Padron said, speaking from his home near the Mexican border. “I think that people across the board are afraid.”

That anxiety echoed this week in interviews with Americans, including a group of voters that The New York Times has been following throughout the Trump presidency. No matter their politics, people said they were deeply unsettled after the killing of Mr. Kirk, who had built a national movement promoting right-wing politics on campuses like the one in Utah where his life ended.

Some of those interviewed had not heard of Mr. Kirk. Others felt strongly about him and his politics, for and against. But virtually all agreed that Mr. Kirk’s violent death seemed to confirm a deep fear that something is seriously wrong in this nation.

Kati Pahari seems safer than most parts of America. Jang is running a news that an Indian got beheaded in Dallas over a tiny work dispute.

United States not what we were fed by government controlled media in the 80s and 90s.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

What does 0.3 vs 5.56 mean? For those of us, who are not into guns or understand the differences ?

That is a good question. A .30 caliber cartridge allows for use of a much heavier projectile. 147g to 180g are typical hunting rounds for large game. Whereas the 5.56 is limited to 90g. Outside of a precision head shot with a 5.56 round, .30 caliber is the round of choice for this type of situation.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

There was a video of him walking to the university, and it looks like he had a "limp" of some kind. It is possible he hid it on his person with the barrel hidden in his trousers ?

If the suspect was wearing very baggy trousers (which he does not appear to be), hiding a rifle like that in your pants leg is nearly impossible. It is going to print very well, meaning, someone will notice you have something concealed.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Charlie Kirk was not an important enough individual to warrant that level of security. He is a semi-nobody until he got shot and it became prime news, as his death was hijacked for the theatrics of the left-right divide in the USA. This bloke holds no office of state, so why should he command such security protocols ?

To the contrary, Kirk was very active politically. He founded TPA shortly after graduating from HS. He was young, charismatic, and well-spoken. He attracted a lot of younger voters. He was instrumental in getting out the young vote in this last election cycle.

Many considered him a rising star in the conservative movement and well on his way to a notable political career.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

One thing I’ll add to it being an amateur or professional as I have no reason to believe is some kind of inside Job as some are suggesting here? However I would have thought an amateur would be more likely to keep shooting. Just seems interesting that it was one and done. And melted away.

If you've only one target and that target is down, continuing to shoot serves no purpose. Unlike the fellow at the Mandalay Bay several years ago. His objective was to kill as many as possible.

I hunted deer for a number of years. Only once did I have to fire a second shot.

 

[krash]

or goats either.

Yeah, you only let the goats take their interest in you.

Careful with this in the future. Whatever pretense you're throwing isn't fooling anyone.

 

[Surya2023]

Heard that Charlie was wearing a titanium armor and the bullet richoted and went into his neck and from there into his cranium. That guy was telling the bullet did not exit and still lodged. If he did not wear that armor may be it would have pierced his collar bone. Don’t know if it is true or not

 

[j_hungary]

Charlie Kirk was not an important enough individual to warrant that level of security. He is a semi-nobody until he got shot and it became prime news, as his death was hijacked for the theatrics of the left-right divide in the USA. This bloke holds no office of state, so why should he command such security protocols ?

A security team that can do this job is going to cost, unless you have local or federal protection. A friend of mine, who's a former Green Beret and Ranger, runs a protection agency that basically protects singers and movie stars on tour. You are talking about $ 2 to $ 5 million for an average 20-man team, and 20 men won't cover this vast area. Because most of those things are indoor

There are different levels of security teams, some comprising current or former police officers. You are talking about $10,000-$20,000 per event, and then there are dedicated, trained teams, usually offered by security solutions, which can cost up to $100k per event. The most expensive is a former SF or a former USSS/DSS guy, both have extensive personal protection experience, and those teams cost 7 digits.

Kirk is a mid-level YouTube streamer with a political connection; he won't be able to afford the A team on this. Probably, his team was provided by a trained team from Serco or Triple Canopy

 

[Path-Finder]

You might want to compare your gun violence incidents per capita to those in the US. How many school shootings did you have this year? Every country that has banned mass gun ownership has proved it's value. This isn't a debate.

If your military has been overrun there's nothing you can do with any gun that you may own. You'll be taken out within minutes. Realistically, you will have left the area before that.

honestly I have explained my self enough times, responsible armed citizens! Agree/Disagree that's your personal opinion. Despite all the shootings and incidents you think people who can be responsible and armed are not going to, If circumstances are headed in the wrong direction.

I understand the left leaning crowd has a thing for making sure public is left at the mercy of others. Once the military is over run you can pretty much strap a welcome mat on your arse and let the incoming people perform examination. Or do something. maybe the french resistance among other resistances are held heroes wrongly for their activities.

 

[WildApache]

I never seen anyone engrave bullets LOL

It's such a clown show. Probably Trump family with help of Mossad/Israel took him out because he was gonna run in 2028 as Republican nominee and Trump wants to remain in white house forever.

something extremely fishy about charlie KKK's shooter , doesn't sit right .

 

[j_hungary]

honestly I have explained my self enough times, responsible armed citizens! Agree/Disagree that's your personal opinion. Despite all the shootings and incidents you think people who can be responsible and armed are not going to, If circumstances are headed in the wrong direction.

I understand the left leaning crowd has a thing for making sure public is left at the mercy of others. Once the military is over run you can pretty much strap a welcome mat on your arse and let the incoming people perform examination. Or do something. maybe the french resistance among other resistances are held heroes wrongly for their activities.

I don't understand the fascination with guns. I own guns, more than 1, and both in the US and Australia. Yes, if you are a responsible gun owner who knows what you are doing, that's probably can make a difference. However, as a cop and someone who knows that things can go wrong when you introduce more weapons to a problem, that's not always the best outcome.

Guns are like any tool; you need to master them for you to be able to use them confidently. I don't know your experience with firearms, and even at my level, I don't generally feel extra comfortable pulling it out to diffuse a violent situation. And if you can't use it confidently, that's a problem.

When you are in an armed situation, that's very volatile, you have specific element to look at, you need to mind your cross fire, make sure you have a clean line of sight, make sure people won't stray into your firing line and when they do, you need to know when to stop, how to approach with your weapon drawn, and how to protect your weapon, because if you don't mind the corner when you round it, you got ambush and have your gun taken away, that's not good at all. You basically need to know how to do all that to contribute to a particular situation. At the end of them all, you need to be accurate, because if you don't, any stray round could hit someone, and that will be on you.

If a country has a sound training regime like Switzerland, probably what you think will work. Still, for an average Joe not regularly trained at a range and pulling them out every which way, this is going to do more harm than good for any violent situation, and not everyone in America who owns guns knows how to use them responsibly, let alone accurately. That is the issue.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

something extremely fishy about charlie KKK's shooter , doesn't sit right .

Like the fact that he’s not Muslim, not an immigrant, not a POC, not a woman, not trans etc etc …

And MAGA was ready to go full white hood on every demographic group that he doesn’t belong to.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]