Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

I wouldn’t say Tyler was ‘leaning left’ just yet, given his upbringing and family’s political views (Republicans, pro gun, former LEA, pro Trump).
It was tongue in cheek reply to poster playing down Tyler's republican credentials.

I meant Pro gun Christian Republican Charlie Kirk leaned left when pro gun Christian Republican Tyler Robinson shot him in the neck.20250912_231709.jpg
 
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I don't understand the fascination with guns. I own guns, more than 1, and both in the US and Australia. Yes, if you are a responsible gun owner who knows what you are doing, that's probably can make a difference. However, as a cop and someone who knows that things can go wrong when you introduce more weapons to a problem, that's not always the best outcome.

Guns are like any tool; you need to master them for you to be able to use them confidently. I don't know your experience with firearms, and even at my level, I don't generally feel extra comfortable pulling it out to diffuse a violent situation. And if you can't use it confidently, that's a problem.

When you are in an armed situation, that's very volatile, you have specific element to look at, you need to mind your cross fire, make sure you have a clean line of sight, make sure people won't stray into your firing line and when they do, you need to know when to stop, how to approach with your weapon drawn, and how to protect your weapon, because if you don't mind the corner when you round it, you got ambush and have your gun taken away, that's not good at all. You basically need to know how to do all that to contribute to a particular situation. At the end of them all, you need to be accurate, because if you don't, any stray round could hit someone, and that will be on you.

If a country has a sound training regime like Switzerland, probably what you think will work. Still, for an average Joe not regularly trained at a range and pulling them out every which way, this is going to do more harm than good for any violent situation, and not everyone in America who owns guns knows how to use them responsibly, let alone accurately. That is the issue.

A good friend is a vet, an avid hunter, and currently a wild life warden in a small Alabama town. Pretty level headed and down to earth. Driving home off duty he pulled out his standard issue in a road rage incident. Had enough sense to put it back.

In a country where cops get itchy trigger fingers every other day while on duty, the American argument is just disingenuous.
 
I don't see the right to bear arms as a fundamental human right; the right to self-defence is, but it is a stretch for me to say right to bear arms. Bear in mind, the right of self-defence is proportional. As I said in a previous post, if guns surround you, then you want to have one, and probably it's your right to have one, because everyone has one. Still, the trade-off is that you may be responsible, but it cannot be guaranteed that everyone will be, again, unless you have a sound training regime in place for everyone.

The problem for me is that the technical part is the issue here, because that's what makes you responsible. I mean, you can say that if you went to the range twice a week and you are proficient with a firearm, but that alone won't make you responsible. You need to be a master of the tool before you can use it responsibly. I mean, that's the reason why, before you are qualified to use a rifle in the army, they give you a rubber ducky.

Regarding a non-state actor, you need to consider two key factors. What if the non-state actor has more guns than you? And what if they have things that even guns won't do? If you have zero experience using a firearm other than shooting maybe 200 rounds off it in a leisure setting, how good do you think you would be if I gave you a fully auto M4 and told you to go on patrol? Guns are not the issue here; it's how you use them.
I am for the right to bear arms. Now there are opposing views and that is absolutely fine. The possession of fire-arms will be a debated issue and it can be cultural/national conscientiousness too. Self defence has many dimensions.

I was careful in mentioning 'responsible citizens' because as you have mentioned arms are not toys. understanding this I am not for just get a gun in your hand and off you go.

It is better that people who face non-state actors can do so to the best of their abilities. Many instances exist where people are not proficient with the weapon at their disposal because in many cases they have never held or seen one in person. However its not like studying medicine, its a skill that can be honed.

But if you are the last line of defence then surely those who make a stand are better than being at the mercy of the non-state actors. If you are looking for means to defend after you territory has fallen and you had zero means. Going around looking for arms after the fall is not going to get you out the proverbial ditch.

I have friends who survived the fall of Yugoslavia and you know the horrors that took place. It was literally innocent bystanders at the mercy of armed thugs. You may argue that its not a good example. But is being at the mercy of the aggressor being mowed down vs having an ability to fend off.

Therefor its better to have a slight chance than no chance.
 
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So just to clarify

MAGA white shooter
MAGA white family
MAGA white Utah
Republican state and county
Bought up in a gun nut culture and given guns
Went to electrical college with no liberal professors, unless they were teaching woke electrics


So what's now left for the MAGAs to go crazy over and try to blame the left or Dems😂😂😂😂
 
A good friend is a vet, an avid hunter, and currently a wild life warden in a small Alabama town. Pretty level headed and down to earth. Driving home off duty he pulled out his standard issue in a road rage incident. Had enough sense to put it back.

In a country where cops get itchy trigger fingers every other day while on duty, the American argument is just disingenuous.
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And that was done by 20 cops.........
 
I am for the right to bear arms. Now there are opposing views and that is absolutely fine. The possession of fire-arms will be a debated issue and it can be cultural/national conscientiousness too. Self defence has many dimensions.

I was careful in mentioning 'responsible citizens' because as you have mentioned arms are not toys. understanding this I am not for just get a gun in your hand and off you go.

It is better that people who face non-state actors can do so to the best of their abilities. Many instances exist where people are not proficient with the weapon at their disposal because in many cases they have never held or seen one in person. However its not like studying medicine, its a skill that can be honed.

But if you are the last line of defence then surely those who make a stand are better than being at the mercy of the non-state actors. If you are looking for means to defend after you territory has fallen and you had zero means. Going around looking for arms after the fall is not going to get you out the proverbial ditch.

I have friends who survived the fall of Yugoslavia and you know the horrors that took place. It was literally innocent bystanders at the mercy of armed thugs. You may argue that its not a good example. But is being at the mercy of the aggressor being mowed down vs having an ability to fend off.

Therefor its better to have a slight chance than no chance.
As I said, if guns surround you, yes, that's probably the way to go, and as I said, I own guns in the US because of that.

Again, the issue is that once that need is gone, you don't need to own guns if that is the only guns in the street, unless you are also interested in sport shooting; otherwise, there is no reason to have one if it's not legal for anyone to have one.

So as I said, for me, that's the balance, I am not trying to debate what is better, there is no perfect solution or one-size-fits-all solution. I am just saying, unless you have a sound regime to train everyone as a responsible gun owner, that is not a wise thing to put more guns into a volatile situation.
 
Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was raised a devout Mormon — yet fired his fatal shot at Kirk just moments after the conservative influencer had glowingly praised the Church of Latter-day Saints.

“I love how Mormons send missionaries around the world, I love how polite they are. … Half my team is Mormon,” Kirk, 31, said to huge cheers from the crowd at Utah Valley University moments before he was allegedly killed by the 22-year-old trade-school student.

“Mormons are great people. Let me just say, I’m an evangelical Christian, but I’m not one of those guys that hates on Mormons,” Kirk said.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/12/us-news/tyler-robinson-was-raised-mormon-and-killed-charlie-kirk-moments-after-he-praised-the-church/
 
They are already playing down his
White
Christian
Republican
Pro gun stances.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start calling him Al Tyler bin Robin or Tahir Rabbani.
He is not the figure conservatives expected to hate. He is not the caricature that fuels talk-radio outrage: no Antifa mask, no migrant background, no radical progressive agenda. He is instead a white Republican voter, raised in a devout, gun-owning household, rooted in the very soil that Turning Point USA cultivated. The irony cuts deeper than any partisan narrative can comfortably manage.

 
Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was raised a devout Mormon — yet fired his fatal shot at Kirk just moments after the conservative influencer had glowingly praised the Church of Latter-day Saints.

“I love how Mormons send missionaries around the world, I love how polite they are. … Half my team is Mormon,” Kirk, 31, said to huge cheers from the crowd at Utah Valley University moments before he was allegedly killed by the 22-year-old trade-school student.

“Mormons are great people. Let me just say, I’m an evangelical Christian, but I’m not one of those guys that hates on Mormons,” Kirk said.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/12/us-news/tyler-robinson-was-raised-mormon-and-killed-charlie-kirk-moments-after-he-praised-the-church/
Was just saying that 2 pages ago, think the story was picked up by NY Post...

Think his dad is/was a Mormon minister
 
He is not the figure conservatives expected to hate. He is not the caricature that fuels talk-radio outrage: no Antifa mask, no migrant background, no radical progressive agenda. He is instead a white Republican voter, raised in a devout, gun-owning household, rooted in the very soil that Turning Point USA cultivated. The irony cuts deeper than any partisan narrative can comfortably manage.

Americans are just wild.
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“We don’t do that here”

The Republicans have apparently all sent their brains to Mars on Musk’s starship if they’ve forgotten the history of violence by White American men in the US.
 
He was probably a MAGA nationalist who was also anti zionist. Americans have had enough of zionst infiltration. Some may now resort to violence.

Despite what people are saying, kirk was a zionist asset. Due to the extent of the depravity he was having to defend, he had to be more coy with his hasbarra. Now, they resort to people having to directly ask them about genocide and then responding with a carefully choreographed display. Pretending to be shocked at the questions. After all, nobody does show business like THEM.

Those blaming this on MOSSAD should ask themselves why they would take him out, when you have others far more vocal such as Rogan, Von, Owens, Carlson....

So yeh, Israel had no part in this. He was an asset.....he was a Christian evangelical fanatic who wanted the Jews to finish killing all the native Palestineians so that
his man God would return and ascend him to heaven in the great rapture. To them...1 dead Palestine baby or a million dead Palestinian babies are the same thing. They don't mean anything.....
 

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