Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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For the billionth time. @1:41

How is this proof he's a Russian agent? I went to an American University, yet I talk smack about the US government all day, everyday, I don't understand the logic, by that measure I'm a US agent...!?
A lot of people went to school abroad, probably some of our best minds did. This kind of thing, increases paranoia, and makes people afraid to speak up, against this government, or any government.....because they're afraid they may be a called a spy or an agent.
 
Show them a part of the site with collapsed entrances and then dig a new tunnel to access the space they believe the HEU to be located. Or maybe they have already. I still don't see how they wouldn't be able to recover it. It may take time, but they must know what part of the facility it is located in, and dig it back up. I don't expect it to be accessible by bulldozer and shovel, but if they tunneled Fordo once, they can do it again.
Of course.....it's a delay tactic, designed to slow things down, and give Iran room to think.....strategize about what to do next. I think there is a big debate going on about making the bomb, do I have proof?, no, I don't. I read a lot of different articles about how a debate is raging in Iran about it's nuclear doctrine. You can put 2+2 together....what that debate is about.
 
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https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-ea...ttle-time-to-object-c2369608?mod=hp_lead_pos6
By Shelby Holliday, Michael R. Gordon, Lara Seligma, Summer Said Sept. 12, 2025 2:40

Israel carried out a missile strike against Hamas leaders in Qatar, using long-range missiles launched from warplanes in the Red Sea.

As Israeli war planners plotted a secret strike on Hamas political leaders in Qatar, they chose a plan that enabled them to attack quickly and limited the opportunity for the U.S. to object.

The operation, which was carried out Tuesday, relied on warplanes that fired long range missiles, avoided the airspace of Arab countries and left the Trump administration in the dark until the last moments.

Israeli jet fighters, eight F-15s and four F-35s, flew to the Red Sea, on the opposite side of the Arabian Peninsula from Qatar. From there, some of the planes fired the air-launched ballistic missiles into space over Saudi Arabia at Doha, several U.S. officials said.

This account of the attack is based on interviews with multiple senior U.S. officials briefed on the operation.

It wasn’t until minutes before the strike that Israel notified the U.S. military it was carrying out an attack against Hamas, several officials said. The Israelis didn’t initially provide precise information on the target, they added. But space-based U.S. sensors that detect infrared heat signatures picked up the launch and the trajectory of the missiles, confirming Doha as the destination.

None of the information came in time to enable the Trump administration to head off the attack.

“Notice was given so close to actual launching of missiles that there was no way to reverse or halt the order,” said a senior U.S. defense official, who called the operation “absolutely unimaginable.”

The U.S. Central Command alerted Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who in turn informed the White House, U.S. officials said. President Trump directed special envoy Steve Witkoff to notify the Qataris, according to the White House. But it was too late. Qatar said the warning arrived around 10 minutes after the missiles landed.

A White House spokeswoman referred to a post by Trump on Truth Social after the attack.

“Unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a Sovereign Nation and close Ally of the United States, that is working very hard and bravely taking risks with us to broker Peace, doesn’t advance Israel or America’s goals,” Trump wrote.
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Note: Route is approximate and schematic for illustrative purposes
Sources: staff reports; American Security Project (U.S. facilities)
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The details illustrate how Israel was able to pull off a long-range attack on the soil of an important American partner. It also highlighted the extent of Israel’s military superiority over the rest of the region and its ability to deploy it at vast distances with high accuracy.

By positioning its jet fighters in the Red Sea and firing missiles that went into space, Israel sought to avoid accusations that it had violated Saudi Arabia’s airspace in conducting the attack. Saudi officials have condemned the attack but haven’t referred publicly to Israel’s firing of missiles over their territory.

Yet Israel failed to kill Hamas’s top political leaders including Khalil Al-Hayya and Zaher Jabarin as they gathered to discuss the latest U.S. proposal for ending the war in Gaza. Those leaders steer the group’s international relations and help raise funds but don’t join in fighting like the military wing in Gaza.

Arab officials familiar with the incident said the Hamas political leaders weren’t in the room that was hit but were nearby. Some of them were seriously injured and rushed to the hospital, several officials said.

Instead, the Israeli strike killed an array of lower-ranking Hamas officials and a member of Qatar’s internal security force. Israeli officials acknowledged privately that the attack probably didn’t kill all its targets but said they were still assessing the results.

A visit to the building by a Wall Street Journal reporter shows that the middle floor was largely destroyed by the missiles, along with the right side of the ground floor. But the structure was still standing, and the rest of it suffered little damage, suggesting a highly precise strike with small warheads.

The surrounding streets were blocked by military and security forces. “You can’t go here,” a man in a blue military beret said, waving away a visitor.

“Israel, led by blusterous extremists, has gone beyond any borders, any limitations when it comes to behavior,” Qatar’s Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani said at a meeting of the United Nations Security Council in New York.

“How can we host Israeli representatives when they have committed this attack?” he said, referring to Qatar’s role as mediator in peace talks between Hamas and Israel.

The Security Council on Thursday condemned the strike, but didn’t mention Israel in the statement agreed to by all 15 members, including the U.S.

Israel’s arsenal of air-launched ballistic missiles was disclosed in U.S. intelligence documents leaked in 2024. The reports referred to two different missiles—the “Golden Horizon” and the ISO2, or Rocks, system—that the intelligence documents said had been observed at Israel’s Hatzerim air base in the Negev Desert, along with F-15s.

Trump held a heated call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday, conveying deep frustration at being blindsided, the Journal has reported. Trump argued the attack was unwise and was angry that he learned about it from the U.S. military, rather than from Israel, the officials said.

Netanyahu told Trump that he had a brief window to launch the strikes and took the shot. In a more cordial follow-up call, Trump asked if the attack was successful, and Netanyahu said he didn’t know. Qatar hosts thousands of American troops, many serving at Al Udeid air base outside Doha.

The strike, following Israel’s surprise attack on Iran in June, has set back years of effort to build diplomatic relations between Israel and the Arab states of the Persian Gulf. None of the Arab states who have established relations with Israel under the Abraham Accords have suspended ties since the Qatar operation.

“I think this attack is another landmark in portraying Israel as a rogue state not taking into account international laws and norms,” said Ofer Guterman, a senior researcher at the Tel Aviv-based Institute for National Security Studies. “It hurts Israel’s reputation globally, and in the region it amplifies the fear we see among Arab states that Israel is now a loose cannon with hegemonic aspirations.”

Arab leaders were enraged and plan to meet soon in Doha to craft a response. Israeli officials say they are still open to talks with Hamas on ending the Gaza war and that Hamas has been the main obstacle, but Arab officials say the operation has hurt Israel’s standing.

The attack may hinder U.S. efforts to build a regional air defense system involving Israel and Arab states, aimed at Iran, some Middle East officials say. At the time of the attack, U.S. troops were conducting exercises in Egypt with Qatar, Saudi Arabia and other regional partners.
 
Show them a part of the site with collapsed entrances and then dig a new tunnel to access the space they believe the HEU to be located. Or maybe they have already. I still don't see how they wouldn't be able to recover it. It may take time, but they must know what part of the facility it is located in, and dig it back up. I don't expect it to be accessible by bulldozer and shovel, but if they tunneled Fordo once, they can do it again.
I strongly believe the enriched uranium has already been placed or dispersed in various sites.

They had almost a month's notice. This is just a bluff by Iran here.
 
That's your evidence that Ayatollah Khamenei is a Russian agent? How did he become the leader of the Revolution? Did the Russians control the Assembly of experts?
Ask Rafsanjani. He convinced the Assembly of Fools to elect Khamenei with a quote attributed to Khomeini in his last moments before death. Pretty much the same situation as the JCPOA that was passed by the parliament in 20 minutes without even reading it. It just shows you how the most important decisions in the country are made in the Islamic republic.

Name one policy by Khamenei in the last 3 decades that has been against Russian interests. I can't think of any, honestly. Most of his policies have been extremely pro-Russia.

How is this proof he's a Russian agent? I went to an American University, yet I talk smack about the US government all day, everyday, I don't understand the logic, by that measure I'm a US agent...!?
A lot of people went to school abroad, probably some of our best minds did. This kind of thing, increases paranoia, and makes people afraid to speak up, against this government, or any government.....because they're afraid they may be a called a spy or an agent.
If you hid that you studied at an American university, denied it and claimed you never left Iran, and you suspiciously became the leader of a country, and all of your policies benefited only the US, and the American president always told the Iranian president to say his warm greetings to you, I would conclude that you're an American agent.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it most likely is a duck.

Russia, very strangely, has been able to predict Iran's nuclear policy with extreme precision in the last years. Either they are really great at forecasting, or something else is going on.
 
جولانی: در نبرد ساقط سازی حکومت اسد، با روسیه به توافق رسیده بودیم، بنابراین وقتی به حمص رسیدیم، روس ها خودشان را کنار کشیدند

باز هم بگین روسیه خوب هست
روس‌ها با ترک‌ها علیه ما بسته بودن

این رو همون موقع که اسد رفت پوتین رو ببینه که فرار کنه گفتم
گفتم چهارتا سورتی روسیه جلو پیشروی زمینی رو نمی‌گیره. گفتید روسیه داره پشتیبانی می‌کنه
مثل الان گفتید نه، سوریه الان خیلی قوی‌تر هست و امکان نداره اسد سرنگون بشه و هزارتا چرت و پرت دیگه
به ۱۱ روز نرسید اسد فرار کرد

از روزی که پای روسیه به سوریه باز شد، ایران رو دور زدن و با ترکیه بستن تا آخرین روز
یکسال نشست‌های ۳ جانبه گذاشتن با ایران، بعد ایران رو حذف کردن از نشست‌هاشون
روسیه واقعاً دشمن تاریخی ایران هست​
 
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IRIAF never bought any "Super-stealth Qaher-313s" but they do have a hand full of Kowsars "Advance" trainers . Kowsars are more like 3.5Gen possessing only 4th Gen avionics. They cannot be considered 4th Gen aircraft let alone 4.5 Gen.
Qatar's Airforce on the other hand has 36 Rafel, 24 Eurofighter and 30+ F-15QA's in Service right now. All of them are 4.5 Gen fighters amongst the most modern fighters deployed anywhere in the world. I ask again, Where were they when Doha was under attack from IAF? Where were their Patriot batteries that we saw take action against Iranian Ballistic Missiles? Even if Israel was using Loral or Blue Sparrow or any other ALBM, we have seen their ability to intercept them.
Yeah, because the IRIAF never built any Qaher-313 even though it was unveiled in 2011 and was times and times again claimed to be under production lol Qaher-313 was undoubtedly the biggest joke of the decade in aerospace engineering and a serious contender for being the joke of the century.

Where are Iran's Sukhoi-35s? At least Qatar has received those jet fighters.
Not to mention that our S-300 didn't last even 24 hours.
Even before the 12-day war, Israel successfully hit 2 of our S-300 FCRs in their retaliatory response to TP2.
 
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Ask Rafsanjani. He convinced the Assembly of Fools to elect Khamenei with a quote attributed to Khomeini in his last moments before death. Pretty much the same situation as the JCPOA that was passed by the parliament in 20 minutes without even reading it. It just shows you how the most important decisions in the country are made in the Islamic republic.
Ok, let me go dig up his corps or should I use a Weje board instead? You have Zero proof and are grasping at straws. You are a waist of time!
 
Ok, let me go dig up his corps or should I use a Weje board instead? You have Zero proof and are grasping at straws. You are a waist of time!
You didn't answer the question.
Name one thing that Khamenei has done against Russian interests in his 30 years of reign.

Russia has been the worst enemy of Iran throughout history. Even in recent history, last 20 years, no country has betrayed Iran more than Russia. Yet, the relations with Russia remain strong and "strategic". How do you explain that?
 
Yeah, because the IRIAF never built any Qaher-313 even though it was unveiled in 2011 and was times and times again claimed to be under production lol Qaher-313 was undoubtedly the biggest joke of the decade in aerospace engineering and a serious contender for being the joke of the century.

Where are Iran's Sukhoi-35s? At least Qatar has received those jet fighters.
Not to mention that our S-300 didn't last even 24 hours.
Even before the 12-day war, Israel successfully hit 2 of our S-300 FCRs in their retaliatory response to TP2.
Just because Iran showed a prototype it doesn't automatically mean that the Air force will buy it. The IRIAF accessed the Qaher-313 and agreed with YOU that at best it presented the same capabilities as an F-5 if not worst!

You are deflecting once again about why Qatar which is a U.S "strategic partner" armed with real British, French and U.S made 4.5 Gen fighters and air defense missile shield proven to be able to counter medium ranged Ballistic missiles failed to defend Qatar from an Israeli attack. Like I said above you are a waste of time because you just throw around wild accusations like Khamenei is a "Russian asset" or "Qaher-313" or what ever else bull sh!t you pull from your behind and you ignore the reality!
 
You didn't answer the question.
Name one thing that Khamenei has done against Russian interests in his 30 years of reign.

Russia has been the worst enemy of Iran throughout history. Even in recent history, last 20 years, no country has betrayed Iran more than Russia. Yet, the relations with Russia remain strong and "strategic". How do you explain that?
why should I waste my time proving something for you that you yourself can't even prove real evidence for? All you are is a waste of time!
 
Just because Iran showed a prototype it doesn't automatically mean that the Air force will buy it. The IRIAF accessed the Qaher-313 and agreed with YOU that at best it presented the same capabilities as an F-5 if not worst!

You are deflecting once again about why Qatar which is a U.S "strategic partner" armed with real British, French and U.S made 4.5 Gen fighters and air defense missile shield proven to be able to counter medium ranged Ballistic missiles failed to defend Qatar from an Israeli attack. Like I said above you are a waste of time because you just throw around wild accusations like Khamenei is a "Russian asset" or "Qaher-313" or what ever else bull sh!t you pull from your behind and you ignore the reality!
You have been deflecting from the first moment. That prototype was claimed to be under production on many occasions, even after it was ridiculed online as cheap propaganda because even the aerodynamics of it seemed off.

Russian S-300s failed miserably. Russia never delivered Sukhoi-35s. Putin even verbally sided with Israel. So much for Iran-China-Russia alliance lol

why should I waste my time proving something for you that you yourself can't even prove real evidence for? All you are is a waste of time!
Because you can't come up even with a single instance of something Khamenei has done in his 30 years of leadership that was against Russia.
 
After Qatar's rape by IAF, newest most logic Khamanei cultists are spreading is that because Arabs with their advanced weapons failed against Israel so whats the point of military detrence. Their effort is aimed at minimizing the sins of Khamenei against Iranian nation which he and his group of sycophants committed to kill the Iranian deterrence. Nukes (fatva), ICBMs (limiting range), IRIAF (budget cuts), SSBNs (budget cuts), 500+ Billion USD lost on arab proxies while IRIAF was run at 200 million USD, political appointments of corrupt and undeserving individuals in military (Salami, Qaani, Vahedi) etc. These low IQ cultist followers of Islamo-communist IRI system think Iranians will forget this all easily but no we would not.

I laughed so hard few weeks ago when state media was running the story that Khamenei was secretly pro-nuke all this time LOL. The man who politicised the Iranian national security at international stage by getting Iran involved in Arab-JEW CONFLICT is now trying to control the damage he himself caused.
 
You have been deflecting from the first moment. That prototype was claimed to be under production on many occasions, even after it was ridiculed online as cheap propaganda because even the aerodynamics of it seemed off.

Russian S-300s failed miserably. Russia never delivered Sukhoi-35s. Putin even verbally sided with Israel. So much for Iran-China-Russia alliance lol


Because you can't come up even with a single instance of something Khamenei has done in his 30 years of leadership that was against Russia.
1. IRIAF refused to buy the Qaher-313 because it did not meet the air force's requirement. The IRGC decided that they wanted unmanned versions of the Qaher 313 in different sizes for the IRGC Navy's Drone carrier as was shown a few months back.

2. Greece operates the Russian S-300 PMU-2 ( same version as Iran).The IAF has trained extensively against the Greek S-300 PMU-2s and is very familiar with that system.

3. Israel's population is made up of a large minority of Russian Jews and Russia will pursue her foreign policy the way they deem best for them. China also will pursue its own relationship with Israel the way they deem best for them. The J-10 fighters that our Pakistani friends here insisted on Iran buying came from the Israeli Levi project which Israel had sold some of the technology to China. Just because Russia and China have their own foreign policy towards Israel does not mean that Iran would best be served by placating to the U.S and Europe who are outright controlled by Zionists to the extent that they are enabling and excusing the Genocide of the Palestinians in 4k Infront of the whole world to see. The Attack in Doha proves that being a "strategic Ally" of the U.S with U.S forces based on your land does not spare you from being attacked by Israel.

4. When It comes to Khamenei and Russia, Khamenei is leader of the revolution. He is not the Government. Many times Khamenei has spoken out against negotiations with the U.S, but guess what, the elected Government has gone out on its own and pursued negotiations with the U.S despite Khamenei's expressed opposition to the negotiations. There is no way for Khamenei to force Iran to act in a way that contradicts the desires of the Iranian Government, especially western oriented Reformist governments, without all hell breaking lose. They would be accusing Ayatollah Khamenei of being a Russian agent long before you ever came up with that thought!
 

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