PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Ak01]

I'll show respect to your parents even though you've shown your DNA already. When people like you don't have real facts to show, they will start to get upset and write dumb and stupid things. The readers should know this person has no brains to give facts.

Serious question. Aren't you sick of posting bullsh8 every day? One day you brought up "declassified CIA documents" which are public knowledge for the entire world, then you started this bullsh8 show of "vendor replacement" and spat negativity around Pakistan's partnership with China, and today it's "Chinese are corrupt" and that you were offered "online bribe"? What's your real name Arsalan Patel?

I've yet to see a true post that makes a difference or sets someone's level even as "educated" let alone knowledgeable.

oop, sounds like someones butthurt! stick to the charas paindu

 

[RajaBaja]

oop, sounds like someones butthurt! stick to the charas paindu

Your poor English, below poor lower IQ content and choice of words tells me all about your lower educated background. Seems like life wasn't easy for ya! Too bad.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

please stop disrespecting each other..

discuss intelligently, dont ruin each others time

 

[RajaBaja]

"lower educated background"- its almost as if Shakespeare himself has been resurrected!

You are just derailing the thread further and further. This is like the 5th time it's happened. You make tall claims without real facts, total lack of knowledge on topics yet continue to write post after post. Tells us about your life story.

But you googled to write Shakespeare! Big improvement. I'll now wait for your next bullsh8 to call out.

 

[side-winder]

You guys hate each other so much - may I suggest you to simply ignore each other rather than engaging in never ending insults? (some of them really below the belt). I mean just a suggestion - if you will kindly consider : D

@arslank01 @RajaBaja

 

[RealNapster]

For a moment again I thought it was a PAF J-10C thread,

Please no off-topic discussions.

 

[Ak01]

You guys hate each other so much - may I suggest you to simply ignore each other rather than engaging in never ending insults? (some of them really below the belt). I mean just a suggestion - if you will kindly consider : D

@arslank01 @RajaBaja

unfortunately the forum has turned to a cesspit now, with all the knowledgeable older members being driven away by kids with chatgpt... Just turned into a daycare now

 

[RajaBaja]

You guys hate each other so much - may I suggest you to simply ignore each other rather than engaging in never ending insults? (some of them really below the belt). I mean just a suggestion - if you will kindly consider : D

@arslank01 @RajaBaja

Thank you. Here is the situation, I'll let you be the guide. Mutual respect must be extended.

My comments won't come across "under the belt" nor will I post "dog pictures" or curse at people or make comments so low by adding family members..........all these cheap narcissist things are being done on a defense forum where one needs some logic and some intelligence to debate with facts. Trying to insult the other party because you are out of facts shouldn't be allowed.

Mutual respect should be extended. The forum should have rules on that.

 

[HRK]

Common man, have some mercy on your country!! Political garbage can go into less critical areas. Please share with us a few examples of China-Pakistan corruption. I am also very involved and would love to learn about it.

Us Pakistanis are great at one thing, called "conspiracy theories" now having anti-Pakistan political flavor also. From this forum to average person's daily life in Pakistan, you ask someone about anything, they will have NO knowledge, but will never say it and will give you a story and it has gotten worst due to political environment now! There is so much fake propaganda by one political party against anything productive happening in Pakistan that it's sad to see.

Since you said you are in finances, that's not enough and also it's not enough to say "I am friendly with a few Chinese and they told me they give bribes to Pakistani leadership". If anyone would've told me that, I would know this is political propaganda that our nation is dealing with.

If you have ANY relationship with finances of CPEC or other Chinese projects, you would know the project costing first gets approved in China. There is strict audit in that. Then it comes to Pakistan and gets discussed from cabinet down 3 levels of people.

Then, there are negotiations and a final price set. So it is safe to say in every project, from a controllership perspective, there are about 100+ people involved from both nations.

If such massive fraud was taking place, TRUST ME, someone from IK's propaganda gang would've leaked out some "documents".

This is similar to propaganda that was done back in 2020 due to which, the Chinese at one point wanted to leave majority of the projects and while, we had terrible relationships with the Saudis, Americans and even Europeans. Some people's lose mouths gave us billions of loss through losing direct air operations to Europe and America as just one example. People say things casually like it's a joke. One wonders which nation are they truly loyal to!

I am sorry if I sound little rude but I have no other way to put it.

You have serious comprehension issue as you are accusing me for something I have not even written in my post.

Lastly I am not in to unnecessary online arguments you are free to assume or have opinion as you like

 

[side-winder]

Thank you. Here is the situation, I'll let you be the guide. Mutual respect must be extended.

My comments won't come across "under the belt" nor will I post "dog pictures" or curse at people or make comments so low by adding family members..........all these cheap narcissist things are being done on a defense forum where one needs some logic and some intelligence to debate with facts. Trying to insult the other party because you are out of facts shouldn't be allowed.

Mutual respect should be extended. The forum should have rules on that.

Let's agree to a ceasefire pls. Let's atleast try to show some level of mutual respect - @arslank01 is a professional aviator himself with lot of knowledge and expertise - i agree, he does get carried away losing the temper a bit perhaps - if you disagree with his analysis - you can simply choose to ignore.

Meanwhile I'd also request @arslank01 to kindly keep his calm and simply ignore if he finds Raja's posts childish.

See, you are not going to agree on any point as has been evident since past few weeks - so why bother to still keep hurling insults at each other.

Thanks for your attention.

 

[Bilal]

I am sorry if I sound little rude but I have on other way to put it.

You have serious comprehension issue as you are accusing me for something I have even written in my post.

Lastly I am not in to unnecessary online arguments you are free to assume or have opinion

Buddy, an advise if you take it. It’s not worth the effort. So ignore and don’t give the attention that is sought.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

is this a tech discussion forum? people here arent too concerned about abstraction and philo. ideas, rather, just do some, chat gpt copy pasting

 

[ghazi52]

 

[HRK]

We respect the freedom of speech of our Pakistani friends. However, freedom of speech should also be treated with basic respect, not with arbitrary slander.

For Chinese people, you can slander us personally, but you cannot slander our country. This is deeply offensive. I don't want to use offensive language to describe this feeling.

Corruption is an internal matter for every country. In any way, it has nothing to do with foreigners. If Chinese businessmen actively bribe Pakistani officials, then you can punish them according to Pakistani law. If you do so, no Chinese will criticize Pakistan for it. The Chinese government and Chinese culture have always taught the Chinese people that when we are abroad, we must abide by local laws. Similarly, foreigners visiting China must also abide by Chinese laws.

For example:
China has zero tolerance for drugs. However, some countries legalize marijuana. If a Pakistani entering China from Canada is found with marijuana, they will certainly be punished under Chinese law. But no Chinese would blame Pakistan for this.

Pork is a staple meat for Chinese people. However, it is taboo in Pakistan. If a Chinese person eats pork in Pakistan, they will be sentenced under local Pakistani law. At this point, no Chinese would blame Pakistan. Instead, we would blame the Chinese who broke the law.

Whether Chinese, Western, or Pakistani businessmen, all businesspeople calculate profit. If a Chinese businessman offers to bribe a Pakistani official, he needs to consider the cost and benefit. If the benefit significantly outweighs the cost, any businessman will offer a bribe. If the cost outweighs the benefit, no businessman will offer a bribe. This is a basic business principle.

If a country wants to avoid corruption, it needs to proactively amend its laws and increase penalties. This way, the cost to businesspeople will far outweigh the benefits. No one in their right mind would offer a bribe.

In China, trafficking over 50g of heroin can result in the death penalty. You can research the situation in other countries. But the general consensus is that countries with higher costs of crime tend to have lower crime rates, while countries with lower costs tend to have higher crime rates.

This is basic social logic. Yet, some Pakistanis are blaming China as a whole......

Here you are mistaken dear friend no one is blaming China as state but individuals and firms of Chinese origin, there is a difference between the state and those individuals/ firms.

I don't think any Chinese should feel offended for this.

Again Pakistanis are not criticizing China as an State.

 

[RajaBaja]

Let's agree to a ceasefire pls. Let's atleast try to show some level of mutual respect - @arslank01 is a professional aviator himself with lot of knowledge and expertise - i agree, he does get carried away losing the temper a bit perhaps - if you disagree with his analysis - you can simply choose to ignore.

Meanwhile I'd also request @arslank01 to kindly keep his calm and simply ignore if he finds Raja's posts childish.

See, you are not going to agree on any point as has been evident since past few weeks - so why bother to still keep hurling insults at each other.

Thanks for your attention.

Mr. Arsalan may have been an aviator and we respect his opinion. But mutual respect should be given to all sides. Disrespect shouldn't be allowed.

I don't need to do my intro fully on a website, but I've sat in the highest decision making rooms in very strategic global places. And even *IF* I was a kid with ChatGPT like Mr. Arsalan states, that still makes me a human being, where mutual respect must be given and taken back.

BTW, I go back to original Pak Defence community where Mastan Khan and I used to debate on JF-17's block I's capabilities vs. the F-16C!