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Raj-Hindustani said:
He is known to paf supporter from many years. As said nothing new. You will not find his tweeter post with any credibility..

For instead -

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If this a a source for him to get the information, what do you expect - means speaking to airforce chief, he confirmed - so what would expected he would not repeat the claims..

As said, he known with no credibility.

This is a stupidity, like example any reporter spoken to IAF Chief and he. Claimed 5 af down by IAF, and the reporter happily tweeting it.... Here’s the nuance:

If a journalist only repeats what an Air Force Chief (or any authority figure) says, without checking facts, context, or offering independent analysis → that’s not journalism, that’s just acting as a messenger.

A credible, independent reporter would:

Quote the official statement, but

Add verification (cross-checking with evidence, other sources, satellite imagery, open-source intelligence, eyewitnesses, etc.)

Mention that “this is a claim” and not an independently verified fact.

What kind of neutral and independent reporter posts it - one sided tweets about one airforce
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he could quote CDS Anil Chauhan?!!

no?!!
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
I’m simply questioning his neutral credibility—nothing more.


If a genuinely independent and reputable media outlet had published such claims, then I might consider them credible.

But from what I’ve seen, the most independent outlets only reported with caution, using terms like “Pakistan claims” or “India claims”—and that’s exactly the right approach.

A few reports did mention confirmation from neutral sources, but even then, they framed it cautiously, saying “2–3 aircraft” rather than giving absolute numbers.

I haven’t seen any credible independent media outlet confirm the downing of six planes. Most just quoted the claims and referred to Trump’s statement or Pakistan government.
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The Economist
The Guardian
CNN
Trump


Warnes has been giving an exclsuive only weeks after May and PAF opened up to him, they stated the serial numbers of the downed jets and their own damage.

Warnes will not risk his credibility.

IAF been silent for 5 months now and will not admit losses


So in terms of credibility, just like Indians on PDF, this is no longer a contest.

Kaput, finito, end, over, done.

Officially 8-0.

Prove the world wrong.....
 
This is what Chatgpt says - isn't funny, I just noticed it - I just searched " Alan Warnes is he credible?"

What I was saying - chatgpt is only supporting to me here.
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
I’m simply questioning his neutral credibility—nothing more.

If a genuinely independent and reputable media outlet had published such claims, then I might consider them credible.

But from what I’ve seen, the most independent outlets only reported with caution, using terms like “Pakistan claims” or “India claims”—and that’s exactly the right approach.

A few reports did mention confirmation from neutral sources, but even then, they framed it cautiously, saying “2–3 aircraft” rather than giving absolute numbers.

I haven’t seen any credible independent media outlet confirm the downing of six planes. Most just quoted the claims and referred to Trump’s statement or Pakistan government.
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What is genuinely credible? Have you seen the magazine - it literally says “Pakistan’s view”.

Because in your own logic anything that doesn’t agree with your perception then you go “wrong”

We basically HAVE NOTHING to discuss with you or meet anywhere in the middle of.
 
Oscar said:
What is genuinely credible? Have you seen the magazine - it literally says “Pakistan’s view”.

Because in your own logic anything that doesn’t agree with your perception then you go “wrong”

We basically HAVE NOTHING to discuss with you or meet anywhere in the middle of.
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We still allow him to pollute thread when he has no intention of debating in good faith.....
 
Yasser76 said:
The Economist
The Guardian
CNN
Trump


Warnes has been giving an exclsuive only weeks after May and PAF opened up to him, they stated the serial numbers of the downed jets and their own damage.

Warnes will not risk his credibility.

IAF been silent for 5 months now and will not admit losses


So in terms of credibility, just like Indians on PDF, this is no longer a contest.

Kaput, finito, end, over, done.

Officially 8-0.

Prove the world wrong.....
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yes, i want Indian Foreign ministry to call POTUS a fabricator and ask proof! it will be a win for India! i just not under why?

Maybe they cannot afford to admit the losses! is India gone so week!! why is there media not pushing this - it will be a great victory!

then there is peculiar case of a lady pilot - earn some brownie points shut us for good! give her a medal - we need proof of life.
 
Oscar said:
India’s choice is based on constraints. It already bought the Rafale - spent its billions training on it. Now it could switch to EF but the investment it made in it especially for IN means it is already stuck with the Rafale as platform of record.

Your logic is so routed in your Indian living in France background that you cannot reconcile that the Rafale is a good platform which was simply employed poorly by India.
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Let's always give credit where it is due........Rafale is a good platform no question about it......and it wasn't just employed poorly by India, but rather also out gunned by PAF.

Meaning, in the omni-role solo fighter doing everything on its own profile that Dassault touted as, Rafales failed to protect themselves against PL15 threats.

Had they done the initial strike from a further 100km away, chances of Rafales been shot down would have been far less.

Poor tactics by IAF and failure of Rafale to be able to defend itself solo. It just can't.
 
TallGuy said:
I happy atleast some details are coming out

3 x S-400 SAM Batteries (Adampur/Nal-Bikanir/Bhuj)

they way he describes air battle, contracts given to J10CE/JF17 Blk 3 with 72-78 IAF aircraft its mathematically impossible that number of kills as claimed. i would be far higher

i am happy at least there is a rumbling of 8 x rafales lost.
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Entire Indian establishment and Modi were shell shocked , you don't ground your entire airforce for downing of few aircrafts...... truth will come out soon but crestfallen Indians will take a dip in Ganges and come up with an excuse
 
TallGuy said:
yes, i want Indian Foreign ministry to call POTUS a fabricator and ask proof! it will be a win for India! i just not under why?

Maybe they cannot afford to admit the losses! is India gone so week!! why is there media not pushing this - it will be a great victory!

then there is peculiar case of a lady pilot - earn some brownie points shut us for good! give her a medal - we need proof of life.
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It is OK, they are sending Chat GPT and Grok into battle, we must retreat!
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
This is what Chatgpt says - isn't funny, I just noticed it - I just searched " Alan Warnes is he credible?"
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Most Pakistanis are echoing regarding his biased views.

But ill do it in front of you since your word is worthless.
And Ill use perplexity since its run by an Indian as well who Modi hugged too.

Prompt:
Provide a clear view of Alan warnes objectivity as an aviation journalist.
Including aspects of his relationship with Pakistan Air Force
his past articles
And his overall objectivity on all other matters.


Response:

Overall Objectivity and Reputation​

As editor of AirForces Monthly, Warnes is recognized for turning the publication into a leading military aviation magazine. His reputation is that of a knowledgeable and prolific journalist and author in the aviation defense field. However, his perceived close ties to the PAF have led to claims he acts as a de facto PR agent or propaganda asset for Pakistan’s military narrative. Indian defense communities on social media describe him as biased, accusing him of amplifying Pakistani narratives without adequate verification. Warnes himself rejects allegations of bribery or compromised integrity, but his pattern of favorable coverage towards PAF and selective reporting in Indo-Pak conflicts raises legitimate questions about complete objectivity in that context. Outside of PAF-related topics, his work is generally respected within the military aviation journalism sphere.

In summary, Alan Warnes is an experienced aviation journalist with deep expertise and significant influence, though his objectivity is questioned especially in relation to his coverage of the Pakistan Air Force, where his reporting often reflects the PAF’s perspective, drawing criticism and allegations of partiality from rival defense communities and observers.”

So now -
His objective
Your dismissal of who he is laid bare because you yourself have zero credibility and worth.

Regarding his style and the claims - most if not all of the TTs and reputable members here follow the same skepticism regarding claims. Just not your 2-3 but the 4 proven with pictures.
 
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