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[Ak01]

sorry, no. read that : https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/...inas-pl-15-missile-debris-found-inside-india/

why do you keep posting motor casings

 

[Corax]

the biggest takeaway, also the most dangerous one is that the nuclear deterrence is no more.

It is a bluff and nothing else. Pak def relied too heavily on Indians believing our nuclear thresholds were seriously low, but the reality is it is and was a bluff, which they called.

i think @JamD can talk to this more, esp in terms of production capacities of pak orgs for cruise missiles etc, but, now we see so many new missile projects in pak, maybe theyve realised they need to build a proper scalable and producable fleet of missiles that can be expended like the indians can expend

Production is the key, we simply haven't given this much attention, understandably so given most systems were designed with nuclear deterrence roles, but agree that the indians have been successful in calling the bluff of nuclear deterrence. The Pak military will need to address that, churn out offensive systems in thousands. The immediate solution would be to leverage China's excess capacity production while we expand our own. There should be alarm bells going off in GHQ, otherwise next time say bye bye to more valuable assets, as the indians won't even bother with their air force, just lob hundreds of brahmos our way.

 

[falcon34]

The Pakistani strikes were more strategic in nature we waren't showing off, hitting a runway wouldn't have desired effect than hitting the command and control rooms of that very base. We attacked for effect and it worked. It ended the conflict.

 

[ARMalik]

Three J-10C flying line abreast armed with 18 air-to-air missiles between them. The Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force is now keen to understand how the PAF worked their jets so well operationally

This reflects mastery of Chinese machines and Superior warfare tactics - and even Chinese are interested to know how PAF did it ! Just shows that you can manufacture a Sword, but some one else might Master it with skills and tactics. PAF has certainly shown outstanding swordmanship and superior tactics.

 

[Corax]

The way I see it, having fewer missiles is less of a problem than having an impotency.

Even in the interview with Warnes, the PAF were saying they "didn't want to humiliate the IAF", it's so heart-warming they feel so much affection for their adversary. I don't know what it is about Pakistanis that they are so obsessed with "saving face" of their enemy, I've seen countless members say the same thing on here. As if that's a major victory. It sounds like something an old aunty would say as she bitches about another family member.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

we just dont have enough missiles lol

indians used:
brahmos
scalps
rampage
and a variety of LMs

Pak used:
Fatah
Yiha
allegedly CM400s

Raad, Babur, KaGem, H4/H2, a HUGE arsenal of LMs were all missing.

Even some fatah launchers did not release whole salvos- we just dont have the stockpiles for a proper attack, atleast not in the context of BuM.

I would be shocked if we had more than a few hundred cruise missiles in stock

Even a few hundred would've been enough. Problem is most of it being used as nuclear weapons delivery platform, creating a gap in conventional capabilities. Also, subsonic cruise missiles despite terrain hugging and waypoint navigation remain highly vulnerable.

And India itself isn't really that great in terms of air to surface arsenal. Only 2 squadrons each of Su-30 MKI and Rafale can fire capable ALCMs. Existing ones like Kh-35s are largely useless against a well established air defence grid.

 

[Ak01]

Even a few hundred would've been enough. Problem is most of it being used as nuclear weapons delivery platform, creating a gap in conventional capabilities. Also, subsonic cruise missiles despite terrain hugging and waypoint navigation remain highly vulnerable.

this is not strictly true- i did some math and an effective subsonic cm is as effective as a supersonic, im a bit busy at the moment but i will re tag you later with a proper post. im a huge supporter of continued subsonic investment

 

[Falcon26]

the biggest takeaway, also the most dangerous one is that the nuclear deterrence is no more.

It is a bluff and nothing else. Pak def relied too heavily on Indians believing our nuclear thresholds were seriously low, but the reality is it is and was a bluff, which they called.

i think @JamD can talk to this more, esp in terms of production capacities of pak orgs for cruise missiles etc, but, now we see so many new missile projects in pak, maybe theyve realised they need to build a proper scalable and producable fleet of missiles that can be expended like the indians can expend

I remember once suggesting that Pakistan should induct SOM-cruise missiles and was drowned with noises saying “we have Ra’ad which is better”

I hope they are being considered seriously now.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

this is not strictly true- i did some math and an effective subsonic cm is as effective as a supersonic, im a bit busy at the moment but i will re tag you later with a proper post. im a huge supporter of continued subsonic investment

tag me too on that reply please. Also @JamD please enlighten us on how to scale our missile production?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

the biggest takeaway, also the most dangerous one is that the nuclear deterrence is no more.

It is a bluff and nothing else. Pak def relied too heavily on Indians believing our nuclear thresholds were seriously low, but the reality is it is and was a bluff, which they called.

i think @JamD can talk to this more, esp in terms of production capacities of pak orgs for cruise missiles etc, but, now we see so many new missile projects in pak, maybe theyve realised they need to build a proper scalable and producable fleet of missiles that can be expended like the indians can expend

unfortunately you are right. we wasted past two and half decades in this bluff but my point is are we now seriously trying to catchup? @JamD please shed some two three para on that for us?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

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we spoke about it pretty heavily here.

Pak AD is inadequate, though, funnily enough, there is now, a brand new PAF program to induct the sort of SHORAD we discuss in the episode:

TVC
Agile
Quick response etc

CAMM-ER is being looked at, maybe IRIS-T.

Great podcast! While listening and doing some research, I asked Grok about Pakistan's capabilities in developing seekers for advanced systems like CAMM-ER and IRIS-T SLM. The response, though possibly not entirely accurate, was quite discouraging regarding our indigenous capabilities. @JamD, how capable are we of designing these seekers indigenously compared to Grok's assessment below?

I don’t fully trust the technical responses from advanced LLMs, so I’m sharing Grok’s reply to get a better sense of how far behind we actually are. Based on the SD-10 program, I believe we may have developed some capability in designing advanced RF and IIR seekers, likely with imported materials from China. Can you provide insight?

Grok’s Response:
"Developing seekers like those in CAMM-ER (advanced RF) or IRIS-T (high-res IIR) is extremely challenging for any nation without a mature aerospace industry, and particularly so for Pakistan due to a mix of technical, resource, and geopolitical hurdles. On a scale of 1-10 (1=easy, 10=near-impossible without major foreign aid), I’d rate RF seekers at 9/10 and IIR at 8/10 for indigenous development—both far beyond Pakistan’s current demonstrated capabilities in precision guidance.

Core Technical Challenges (Universal)RF Seekers (e.g., CAMM-ER Style):

• Require expertise in high-frequency RF engineering, GaN fabrication, and AESA (active electronically scanned array) miniaturization—tech tightly controlled under export regimes like the Wassenaar Arrangement.
• Key hurdles: Signal processing for Doppler shift detection amid clutter/ECM; power-efficient antennas that fit a 166mm-diameter missile. Prototyping needs anechoic chambers and supercomputing for simulations.
• Global benchmark: Only a handful of countries (US, Russia, Israel, China) produce these at scale; even allies like the UK/Italy collaborate via MBDA.

IIR Seekers (e.g., IRIS-T Style):

• Demand advanced optoelectronics: Mercury cadmium telluride (HgCdTe) detectors, aspheric optics, and AI-driven image processing for real-time target ID.
• Key hurdles: Cryogenic cooling (to -196°C) without adding weight; algorithms to counter flares/jamming. Testing requires IR scene simulators and flight trials.
• Global benchmark: 5th-gen IIR is elite tech (e.g., AIM-9X equivalent); dual-mode adds RF complexity, pushing difficulty higher."

 

[r3alist]

whose religious redemption lies in Pakistan's perdition

This is very well said

If only more forum members used wording like this

 

[aurelianpilled]

Chhan Se Jo Tute Koi Sapna
Jag Suna Suna Lage
Jag Suna Suna Lage

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"According to the IAF, retaliatory strikes took place at 11 different military air bases, on May 10. The bases included PAF Base Nur Khan near Rawalpindi, which was, according to the PAF, struck by Spice 2000 PGMs released by Mirage 2000s. It missed the HQ-9 missile battery at the facility"

The colour grading of the right image, especially the colour of the runway is great!

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Firefighting vehicles, ambulances racing towards the Barnala AFS? Seems strange? Isn't it?

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[niubi]

why do you keep posting motor casings

Because the rest of those PL-15s slammed into the lovely French ass of those Indian Rafales.

These jokers keep showing us evidence of their brutal humiliation with all the spent and detonated PL-15s. Score so far is 7-0, Pakistan - India.

In truth, PAF could (and probably should) have taken out more IAF if it wanted to risk higher escalation. Pakistan needs to figure out how to hit India back. Mass produce cruise missiles and suicide drones.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Firefighting vehicles, ambulances racing towards the Barnala AFS? Seems strange? Isn't it?

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