Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Remember me? Remember my pre war prediction? Here we are now. You were laughing at it, as far as I remember. what now? Iran is smashing the US of A and is in a position of strength. This will end with Iran being the regional hegemon, as is its rightful place. It doesnt need to make any deals with the US be it good or great. We will take whats ours

IR is still on the losing side, if US economy survives (which it eventually will!). But, IR will be militarily stronger, I have to accept your POV.

but, it will come at a great cost (rather repetitive cost!)

 

[Xerxes22]

IR is still on the losing side, if US economy survives (which it eventually will!)

Well lets see, we will find out wont we? We both know if we are being honest that even in your wildest dream you had not forseen the outcome as it is currently. There some way to go and we shall see who's right

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Well lets see, we will find out wont we? We both know if we are being honest that even in your wildest dream you had not forseen the outcome as it is currently. There some way to go and we shall see who's right

Im not a military expert, Im a finance man.

what I said that day, nearly holds out today as well (economically).

re. military aspects, i was wrong.

BTW, my admission of what I was wrong, makes your point weak (bec, nothing remains to argue on actually)

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran is not playing its cards right.

It still has thousands of ballistic missiles that can hit Zionist entity.

These needs to be unleashed on Zionist targets on Palestine till the Zionists force the US to stop the war.

If it simply launches 20-25 a day at the Zionists then within a matter of days Zio-US will be out of interceptors and then it will be hitting targets at will.

Zionists are simply waiting for US to help them rebuild their interceptor stocks and they will attack Iran again.

By playing "defence" it is making its overall position worse. The key to making US stop the war and lift all sanctions is to damage the Zionists squatting in Palestine.

Israel will destroy Iran's civilian infrastructure if Iran attacks. Israel has said this, and so far this has deterred Iran so far.

Iran lacks either precision in her systems at that range, or ability to absorb civilian infrastructure losses(due to sanctions) or more importantly even common military sense to also destroy Israel's civilian infrastructure in return to do what you suggest.

I am not sure there is any value in Iran picking a fight with Israel at the time of its choosing if Iran is not going to properly go all out and impose a real cost on Israel. All of Iran's attacks on Israel, for the most part have been theatrical? What value is there in hitting low value buildings in down-town Tel Aviv??? Yet, Iran wasted hundred of missiles doing that.

We have seen how Iran responded to Israel attacks to know this. As of now, Iran has over $300 billion dollars of damage, how much financial($) damage has Iran caused on Israel ?

If Israel attacks again(maybe they will after the elections) then we can see if Iran has indeed learnt anything on how to wage war on Israel.

We have seen the timelines and responses and how long Iran continued to "fight Israel" after Israel wanted to stop, to know this.

If Israel does attack Iran again, then yes, Iran should continue to attack at the rate you have indicated for weeks, months etc but will they ???

Iran's "tit for tat" calibrated responses is why it finds it self in the current situation as it did not impose a significant cost when it had the opportunity to do so ??

Iran has never been able to demonstrate so far, that it is "in control" of this war against Israel so far, maybe things will change in the next round ?

 

[RocketLaw]

What weak statements from China (powerless and helpless) in this whole situation?





A big loss for China's oil supplies and now they are relying on Russia's oil




Today there is a huge economic gap between China and US now as the US is taking more resources around China's neck.


2026
China's nominal GDP is $20.85 Trillion
vs
US's nominal GDP is $32.38 Trillion

- 11.53

2016
China's nominal GDP is $11.456 Trillion
vs
US's nominal GDP is $18.805 Trillion

- 7.349

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

What weak statements from China (powerless and helpless) in this whole situation?





A big loss for China's oil supplies and now they are relying on Russia's oil

shows, where the Chinese leverage points exist!

and how swiftly, Chinese position can change.


importantly, it also shows, how Chinese interests can also eats its own economy!
(or control lies somewhere near Lebanon!)

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Israel will destroy Iran's civilian infrastructure if Iran attacks. Israel has said this, and so far this has deterred Iran so far.

Iran lacks either precision in her systems at that range, or ability to absorb civilian infrastructure losses(due to sanctions) or more importantly even common military sense to also destroy Israel's civilian infrastructure in return to do what you suggest.

I am not sure there is any value in Iran picking a fight with Israel at the time of its choosing if Iran is not going to properly go all out and impose a real cost on Israel. All of Iran's attacks, for the most part have been theatrical? What value is there in hitting low value buildings in down-town Tel Aviv??? Yet, Iran wasted hundred of missiles doing that.

We have seen how Iran responded to Israel attacks to know this. As of now, Iran has over $300 billion dollars of damage, how much $ damage has Iran caused on Israel ?

If Israel attacks again(maybe they will after the elections) then we can see if Iran has indeed learnt anything on how to wage war on Israel.

Iran has been as desperate for Israel to attack it, than its will to fight Iran. We have seen the timelines and responses and how long Iran continued to "fight Israel" to know this.

If Israel does attack Iran again, then yes, Iran should continue to attack at the rate you have indicated for weeks, months etc but will they ???

Iran's "tit for tat" calibrated responses is why it finds it self in the current situation as it did not impose a significant cost when it had the opportunity to do so.

Iran has never been able to demonstrate so far, that it is "in control" of this war against Israel so far, maybe things will change ?

hard to tell, zios hide losses and figures!

whats clear is, if they have the power to obliterate their opponent, they wont waste a second!

whats also clear is, they did bomb nuc***R plants, but, failed to damage military targets fully!


seems they are holding back, bec, they are not certain about the outcome of the air assault.


on the flip side, IR also did not destory zios fully, when they had the chance (in other words, they have no capability or do not want to reveal it to the USA!)

zios are being used to open the depth of IR tool box, thats why, IR is holding back(IMO!)

 

[UKBengali]

Israel will destroy Iran's civilian infrastructure if Iran attacks. Israel has said this, and so far this has deterred Iran so far.

Iran lacks either precision in her systems at that range, or ability to absorb civilian infrastructure losses(due to sanctions) or more importantly even common military sense to also destroy Israel's civilian infrastructure in return to do what you suggest.

I am not sure there is any value in Iran picking a fight with Israel at the time of its choosing if Iran is not going to properly go all out and impose a real cost on Israel. All of Iran's attacks, for the most part have been theatrical? What value is there in hitting low value buildings in down-town Tel Aviv??? Yet, Iran wasted hundred of missiles doing that.

We have seen how Iran responded to Israel attacks to know this. As of now, Iran has over $300 billion dollars of damage, how much $ damage has Iran caused on Israel ?

If Israel attacks again(maybe they will after the elections) then we can see if Iran has indeed learnt anything on how to wage war on Israel.

We have seen the timelines and responses and how long Iran continued to "fight Israel" to know this.

If Israel does attack Iran again, then yes, Iran should continue to attack at the rate you have indicated for weeks, months etc but will they ???

Iran's "tit for tat" calibrated responses is why it finds it self in the current situation as it did not impose a significant cost when it had the opportunity to do so.

Iran has never been able to demonstrate so far, that it is "in control" of this war against Israel so far, maybe things will change ?

But Iran can also do the same in return - they did in the 12 day war of 2025 by taking Haifa oil refinery offline and precisely hitting targets such as Weismann Institute.

The only reasons the Zionists 'dropped out' of the war was that they were critically low on interceptors by late March/early April.

Iran can either attack now while Zionists are still low on interceptor stocks or wait till they are attacked again 1-2 years down the line as Zionists/US produce hundreds more interceptors in the meantime.

Zionists won't now leave Iran alone unless it forces a "painful price" of attacking Iran.

 

[Ali_Baba]

What weak statements from China (powerless and helpless) in this whole situation?





A big loss for China's oil supplies and now they are relying on Russia's oil




Today there is a huge economic gap between China and US now as the US is taking more resources around China's neck.


2026
China's nominal GDP is $20.85 Trillion
vs
US's nominal GDP is $32.38 Trillion

- 11.53

2016
China's nominal GDP is $11.456 Trillion
vs
US's nominal GDP is $18.805 Trillion

- 7.349

Nominal GDP comparisons are quite misleading on this "own". PPP also better reflects actual power of the economy to "do things".

PPP GDP: China leads the world with an estimated output of roughly $35 trillion to $44 trillion, while the U.S. sits around $28 trillion to $32 trillion.

This means that China can have the same military as the USA at a lower nominal GDP etc.

 

[Persian Gulf]

UAE joins Trump's blockade against Iran and Pezeshkian smiles and meets with UAE leaders

what kind of donkey is this heart surgeon

 

[Ali_Baba]

But Iran can also do the same in return - they did in the 12 day war of 2025 by taking Haifa oil refinery offline and precisely hitting targets such as Weismann Institute.

The only reasons the Zionists 'dropped out' of the war was that they were critically low on interceptors by late March/early April.

Iran can either attack now while Zionists are still low on interceptor stocks or wait till they are attacked again 1-2 years down the line as Zionists/US produce hundreds more interceptors in the meantime.

Zionists won't now leave Iran alone unless it forces a "painful price" of attacking Iran.

Iran needs to quickly formulate and execute a strategy against Israel that stops dead the policy of "mowing the lawn". So far, Iran has not done this through her responses and that has created the problems for Iran.

 

[RocketLaw]

Nominal GDP comparisons are quite misleading on this "own". PPP also better reflects actual power of the economy to "do things".



This means that China can have the same military as the USA at a lower nominal GDP etc.

Yeah, whatever the greater numbers - I still don't think China has the guts to attack Taiwan (SAME SIZE as Qatar that Iran has shown their capable to attack many many 45-51+ US bases all over the Middle East) - China is pretty much weak in my opinion and patience too long against Taiwan.

Too scared of the West's response and dollars impactful.

 

[retaxis]

Yeah, whatever the greater numbers - I still don't think China has the guts to attack Taiwan (SAME SIZE as Qatar that Iran has shown their capable to attack many many 45-51+ US bases all over the Middle East) - China is pretty much weak in my opinion and patience too long against Taiwan.

Too scared of the West's response and dollars impactful.

America couldn't take taiwan in an amphibious assault with chinese supporting Taiwan how can China do that then? Anyways why always bringing china into this Iran thread? Sounds like desperation to me.

 

[Watandar]

UAE joins Trump's blockade against Iran and Pezeshkian smiles and meets with UAE leaders

what kind of donkey is this heart surgeon

It is called diplomacy. You maintain communication and keep talking, eventually an opportunity for a reset presents itself and you are able to improve relations.

The UAE may have realized it bit off more than it could chew and needs to accommodate Iran upto a point.

 

[Magi]

Sure but if Iran stops the war it means surrender. China can if they decide to force both parties to the table they have clout with all parties.

Iran has crossed the threshold into top tier regional or arguably junior great power status. In that tier, war only stops when deterrence or a balance of force is achieved. Iran seems to be doing okay at pushing the US back and creating its own breathing space. The alternative is loss, relegation to a lower tier and loss of independence.

Hubris of some westerners and jealously of others made them laugh this idea off only a short time ago. But Iran has been a great power in history longer than many modern nation states have existed.

Yemen for example is an ancient Iranian ally. Islam arrived in Yemen while it had been Iranian aligned for a very long time. That relationship is resurging naturally.