TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Oublious]

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TUSAŞ General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu: (#TEKNOFEST Istanbul)At the end of April, we will see KAAN's first prototype in the skies.April is the timeframe we have set for our goal.We want to fly the next prototype in July. We have set this goal for ourselves.We will work hard to achieve it.

 

[Ak01]

(You can acess the data on Eurofighter trench 1 performance perimeters in detail from warthundner leaks. I have the PDF myself that is classified and originally meant for RAF personel and pilots who would fly the jet.)

this isnt entirely accurate, it was the manual for a dev aircraft which is widely published online

 

[Afif]

this isnt entirely accurate, it was the manual for a dev aircraft which is widely published online

Do you have any other link other than the leak? I haven't found any.

 

[PakAl]

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TUSAŞ General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu: (#TEKNOFEST Istanbul)At the end of April, we will see KAAN's first prototype in the skies.April is the timeframe we have set for our goal.We want to fly the next prototype in July. We have set this goal for ourselves.We will work hard to achieve it.

The day KAAN is inducted and in full production will be happy day for many Muslim states, I hope big orders are done for KAAN by Indonesia, Saudia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Qatar. This will then give extra funds to develop next generation plane.

 

[studsmart]

Pakistan should produce it locally post-2032, by then a more promising BLK-3 will be available with Turkish engines.

 

[studsmart]

how much will KAAN cost per example ?

 

[Merzifonlu]

how much will KAAN cost per example ?

Pretty costly. My estimate is minimum 150 million dolar. Of course, as production volumes increase, costs will drop rapidly, but they will never be as cheap as single-engine fighters.

 

[MMM-E]

A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed between Italy-based OMA and TAI for the local production in Türkiye of equipment developed, qualified, and certified by OMA within the scope of the KAAN project




Italian OMA designing and manufacturing hydraulic and electromechanical actuation systems and hydraulic controls for the F-35 , KAAN and Eurofighter also Passenger Aircraft from AIRBUS ( A319-A320-A321-A330-A340-A380 ) and BOEING ( B737-B747-B757-B767 ) and Military Aircraft CN-235 , C27J , C-130J

Defence Programs | OMA - Aerospace Group

www.omafoligno.it

 

[Deino]

This seems to be the first glimpse of the second prototype?

 

[RajaBaja]

French media, following TAI's foreign press tour:

KAAN is a 5th-generation fighter jet developed on the other side of the Mediterranean.
A 3.3-ton fuselage awaits cockpit installation in the production hangar.

KAAN poses a greater threat to the Rafale than the F-35.

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KAAN vs RAFALE F3R

RCS
KAAN : 0.01
RAFALE with air to air missiles : 1 m2
RAFALE F3R with drop tanks and air to air missiles : 2 m2


KAAN is coming with MURAD-600 AESA Radar which can detect a RAFALE from 175-208 km away while RAFALE detect the KAAN from 38 km away

even 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile will be enough to hit RAFALE
185+ km GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missile under development
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One thing to note is that the world has suddenly shifted the game on BVR missiles since India-Pakistan war in May this year. Until then, Meteor and AMRAAM D-3 were considered the kings of BVR. Until the PL-15 took that spot away and it's estimated range for a Chinese version is towards 300 KM mark per the US estimates. So now the new version of AMRAAM, upgrades for older models AND a new missile AIM-260, all are headed toward 150 mile range or above 250 KM's.

I hope scientists in Turkey are watching these developments. Because 185-200 KM will not give a range disadvantage to Turkish weapons. Even Meteor's next version will correct it's range gap with the US and Chinese missiles.

 

[RajaBaja]

KAAN's 40 kw AESA Radar ( 2.000+ GaN T/R modules ) to compare with APG-77v1 AESA Radar ( 1,956 T/R GaAS modules )

RAFALE's 11,7 kw RBE2 AA AESA Radar with 838 GaAS modules

Aselsan MURAD-600 AESA Radar with GaN technology ... ( 2.000+ T/R modules )

Rafale uses a lower end AESA tech based on GaAS (Gallium Arsenide). This was the first gen AESA tech. Has much higher energy requirements for long range scan and due to working in dense electromagnetic environment.

Then there is the next generation, or Gen-2 of AESA, US uses it also on F-35 and F-22. It's called GaN or Gallium Nitride. Much faster processing capability of data compared to Gen-1 in Rafale's AESA. Much less power needs, nearly total resistant to Jamming. Can't burn out its TR's with Microwave energy as they are super heat resistant. Plus lots of expansion can happen in this tech. Glad to see Turkey use it.

Latest, or Gen-3 tech in AESA is SiC (Silicon Carbide), this is top secret stuff ONLY used in Chinese J-35 and J-20 stealth jets. This technology is 100% faster than the above GaN for KAAN, but near a thousand times faster and better than what's in Rafale's AESA (GaAS). So Turkey is on the same level as US in AESA tech.

 

[Oublious]

This seems to be the first glimpse of the second prototype?

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Amazing, before you now it is April...

 

[hodor]

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Interesting - I thought with the bulk head changes, they would make it more sleek like the original TFX models looked it, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Looking forward to seeing this puppy fly soon!

 

[Luciferdd]

Rafale uses a lower end AESA tech based on GaAS (Gallium Arsenide). This was the first gen AESA tech. Has much higher energy requirements for long range scan and due to working in dense electromagnetic environment.

Then there is the next generation, or Gen-2 of AESA, US uses it also on F-35 and F-22. It's called GaN or Gallium Nitride. Much faster processing capability of data compared to Gen-1 in Rafale's AESA. Much less power needs, nearly total resistant to Jamming. Can't burn out its TR's with Microwave energy as they are super heat resistant. Plus lots of expansion can happen in this tech. Glad to see Turkey use it.

Latest, or Gen-3 tech in AESA is SiC (Silicon Carbide), this is top secret stuff ONLY used in Chinese J-35 and J-20 stealth jets. This technology is 100% faster than the above GaN for KAAN, but near a thousand times faster and better than what's in Rafale's AESA (GaAS). So Turkey is on the same level as US in AESA tech.

Both RBE-2(rafale)，APG-77(F-22) and APG-81(F-35 block1~block3) are GaAs aesa radar, new APG-85 on F-35 block4 is GaN radar but it's delay to 2031.So the domestically produced GaN radar used by KAAN is technically leading among the above three on paper.