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Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion
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Starlord
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I used to but now I don't give a Rat's A$$ about any India, Liberal neutral or Bhaktora, they all are fcuking lunatic and full of hate for Pakistan and its people, this so called Journalist in a ignorant way say look how US put India in same level as Pakistan, BSDK India wale apne aap ko Israel ya America samjhte hai ? plus after Op Sindoor we lost civilians which include women/Children, we showed the world pictures but not a single MC bharti even condemned the deaths of Pakistani kids, those civilian deaths weren't even mentioned so yes I am hard of India and Israel, if they 2 countries are dying of thirst i will not give them a glass of water... Done playing the good or morally high in this world, because no one else is so why should we ?
hussain0216
Elite Member
The Indians are born clowns, I have nothing but contempt for them, they chose chaos in south Asia over a proper partition and occupation of Kashmir
But this is really bigger then the pa-jeets
Turkey and Egypt are having naval exercises after 13 years,, between those two countries eastern med can buy totally LOCKED, people need to understand this, Egypt and Turkey are both powerful countries with large militaries,they both have had a high level of U.S Influence but the U.S is currently stupid, irrational and erratic and things are changing
I told people, OFFICIALLY, nothing came out of the recent conference except another statement
But unofficially, What's happening on the world and west and Palestine was all noted, MULTIPLE agreements have been reached UNDER THE TABLE
Steps will be taken to create a system to safeguard our Muslim world, but it's a gradual process
Funding will suddenly emerge for multiple projects and purchases
China will be bought on board and Pakistan will be a go between,this will benefit China Pakistan and the Muslim world
The west is in decline and extremism in the west is increasing and with Zionists and others like hindutva, now is the time to really act
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
Trusted Member
As for India, given that this is the main adversary of Pakistan (Arabs have throughout millennia seen India has a land/people/country/geography where trade/peaceful exchange is the main aim/focus and continue to see it this way today), it will be very interesting to see, if India becomes hostile based on this deal. Their official regime statements openly acknowledge that KSA and Pakistan have always been close and that this deal was in the making for many years (obviously such deals of this nature are not done within 1 week or overnight), but now if India decides to openly be hostile to KSA and by default rest of the GCC and Arab world, it will force Arab regimes to revaluate their mostly economic relationship with India. Quite frankly, from the side of the Arabs, Arab-India relations (economic) are hugely in favour of Arabs. Given the size of India (population and economy) it is hard for anybody (even the likes of China) to ignore it and not take advantage of it economically. From the perspective of Pakistan, that is naturally seen as something uneasy. For Arabs it is nothing more than a financial transaction. Now I will admit, there have not really been any historical hostility between Arabs and what now makes up of India and its 100's of various ethnic groups. In terms of regions of India that we have had a historically close ties to are mostly Kerala, Sri Lanka (not part of India today) and in general South India due to millennia old trade ties and people to people relations. Many Arabs also settled in Sri Lanka, Southern India. Even the ethnic group Malayim or what they are called, claim to be Arab/Kerala mixtures and some DNA tests appear to confirm this.
Sri Lankan Moors - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Islam in Kerala - Wikipedia
One of the oldest moques outside of Arabia was built in Southern India due to millennia old Arab-South India trade ties.
Cheraman Juma Mosque - Wikipedia
The name of that ethnic group in Kerala are Malayalis.
Malayalis - Wikipedia
They are the most frequent ethnic Indian group in KSA and the GCC and they are almost all exclusively Muslim and have an overall good reputation.
It was always strictly business and nothing anti-Pakistan as some here have propagandized due to dislike of Arab regimes or maybe even 500 + million and 20 + Arab countries as a whole. Any way each to their own.
Such fusions are not strange, Arabs did the same in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei (where there are millions of people of Arab (mostly Hijazi and Yemeni) ancestry and similarly in the Sahel and Swahili (Africa) where large ancient groups of Arabs intermarried with local Arabs forming a distinct unique local Muslim/Arab hybrid. A good recent example is the Sultanate of Zanzibar and cities such as Mombasa.
In fact the lingua franca of East Africa (Swahili - itself an Arabic word meaning - coasts), is Swahili whose vocabularly is made up of Arabic words up to 33.33%.
Anyway back to India, if new hostile actions from India aimed at Arabs (KSA in particular) due to this deal being signed (which I fully support personally - wish to see it with more Muslim nations), a new paradigm needs to occur.
Anyway I am trying to be brutally honest here and tell Pakistanis that are unfamiliar with the Arab world and Arabs, how we view India and Indians and from which lens.
In a perfect world, Pakistan and India would at least burry the hatched and have peaceful relations and benefit from each other economically etc. Millions of Pakistanis with ties to India originally and the biggest ethnic group in Pakistan (Punjabis) have their cousins in India next door. Not to mention 200 + million Indian Muslims. Say what you want but unless an Indian is openly anti-Muslim or anti-Arab, I see no reason to hate/see him/her as a hostile person.
Just being honest here.
As for how the average Indian sees Pakistanis and whether or not India has any territorial claims on Pakistan (outside of Kashmir), I have frankly no idea about, but if so, it makes it much more difficult for Pakistan (obviously), to look at India, at how say Arabs, Iranians, Turks, Indonesians and others look at it.
personally, I respect educated Indians if they are balanced (if I find any!)
Tariq Habib Afridi
Registered Member
source ? or is this your speculations?
White Privilege
Registered Member
The pact means s/-/it, since neither Israel will need to annhilate KSA, neither will Indians invade Pakistan anytime soon. Even if hostilities arise, in the 'operational' domain,as expected in Pakistan India case, Arabs will not join, not through assets or money.
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
Trusted Member
this is precisely why this pact exists, to take advantage of this 'grey' area!
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
Same way how I look at the few remaining relatively sane Israelis even though it becomes ever more increasingly difficult to respect anything about them, let alone encounter sane ones. But eventually some compromise or solution needs to be found, not out of love, but for the sake of peace, stability and future generations. It becomes even more absurd, from the Arab perspective at least, when 20% of the Israelis are Arab Palestinians and Bedouins and 2/3 of the remaining 80% Israeli Jews are Arab Jews whose parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents once roamed Arab countries from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, KSA, Yemen, Syria, Iraq etc.
Anyway my post was just to point out how Arabs (and I guess much of the Muslim world) look at India and Indians. In the case of Arabs and even more so everyone else (who have far fewer ties to India than Arabs historically), it is just business (economic transactions and nothing more).
The status quo has served Arabs well (nobody can deny it, one just need to look at the trade balances for the past many decades - all in favour of Arabs + the largely cheap labour in the GCC lately but even non-GCC Arab states used to or continue to employ Indian labour), but this arrangement could quickly change if India starts behaving in an openly hostile manner. In such a case expect the Arabs (regimes here) to pivot even more towards China, which I personally see as a good development and something that I have been speaking about for a very long time.
KSA for instance is the largest Muslim trade partner of China and strategic relations with China have been ongoing since the late 1980's when KSA made secret purchases of Chinese missiles. Now in 2025, the Saudi Arabian Missile Force is expanding on a rapid scale and much of that development is due to Chinese cooperation and help.
Same can be said about Pakistan and China but on an even bigger scale due to the India factor.
I see this development as China (behind the scenes) trying to build up a strong coalition between their strategic main Muslim partners (Pakistan and KSA) in the hopes of this cooperation expanding to the remaining Arab and Muslim world. Which I again would hail personally and something i consider the need of the hour. The US/West cannot be trusted and quite frankly never were to be trusted in regards to the rabid dog (Israel) whom they will always favour and who either rules them directly (Jews seem to control much of the West - even American and European patriots are waking up to this reality).
Because from the perspective of the US/West/Europe it makes no sense to be completely beholden to 8 million Jews in Israel and completely align their policies in favour of Israel when UAE alone (1 small Arab country out of 20 + ), let alone 500 + million Arabs (soon much more) and almost 2 billion Muslims, could offer them much more. It makes no sense, unless the plan is to actively and constantly prevent any Arab and Muslim unity in order to keep its enormous potential (goes for the entire Muslim world) down in order to have fewer competitors.
And when you look at opinion polls among conservative voters in the US, West in general, most of them do not have a positive view of Israel, regardless of many of them being anti-Muslim.
So in essence, long term, Israel is screwed and what they are doing currently is not sustainable even though it appears that they are immune to everything right now. Many people/countries thought so before they met their end. Israel will be no different. The end does not necessarily need to result in the disappearance of Israel but a sane Israel that gives equal rights to every citizen and accepts a two-state solution (an independent Palestinian state) and stops wrecking havoc in the region, could be tolerated by the region and its people and would be a good start. Eventually it will occur, I have no doubt about that. Every oppressor in history always thought that his rule would last forever until it did not.
Basically Israel has lost the war of public opinion globally and that is probably the war (outside of total destruction) that you as a people and country would LEAST like to lose. It will take decades if not generations for this to go away. Israeli economy is already messed up with little to change that outside of the monthly free dollars from the US/West (slaves).
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Baibers_1260
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I am not too sure about that. The current right wing coalition is highly religious and fundamentalist; a far cry from the secular liberal era of Rabin, Shimon Peres, and Ben Gurion. The world is viewed by an ancient lens of exceptionalism based on God's "choice" of a people
Theoretically Jews do have a claim to the Kaaba in Mecca since it was Ishmael's Temple which was built for Ishmael by Abraham when he briefly visited the area years after Ishmael and Hagar had left . Also Madina, earlier known as Yathrib was a Jewish majority city,
So it is not inconceivable that as the Arab lands are conquered one by one in the greatest military adventure since David Mecca and Medina will in time too be captured and the mosques demolished.
RescueRanger
Meme Lord
Kuglemaaan is a number 1 d*ll*...
Pak-Warrior
Registered Member
I think that pact was always there in some form, but not in a formal way as its done now.
This would have been great if this pact was between GCC & Pakistan as joint defense.
I am wondering what Qatar and others would be thinking about it as why KSA/Pak did it all alone without involving smaller GCC countries.
This would have been great if this pact was between GCC & Pakistan as joint defense.
I am wondering what Qatar and others would be thinking about it as why KSA/Pak did it all alone without involving smaller GCC countries.
Malik Abdullah
Trusted Member
Glad to see you after a long time and even better to read your invaluable input on this.As for India, given that this is the main adversary of Pakistan (Arabs have throughout millennia seen India has a land/people/country/geography where trade/peaceful exchange is the main aim/focus and continue to see it this way today), it will be very interesting to see, if India becomes hostile based on this deal. Their official regime statements openly acknowledge that KSA and Pakistan have always been close and that this deal was in the making for many years (obviously such deals of this nature are not done within 1 week or overnight), but now if India decides to openly be hostile to KSA and by default rest of the GCC and Arab world, it will force Arab regimes to revaluate their mostly economic relationship with India. Quite frankly, from the side of the Arabs, Arab-India relations (economic) are hugely in favour of Arabs. Given the size of India (population and economy) it is hard for anybody (even the likes of China) to ignore it and not take advantage of it economically. From the perspective of Pakistan, that is naturally seen as something uneasy. For Arabs it is nothing more than a financial transaction. Now I will admit, there have not really been any historical hostility between Arabs and what now makes up of India and its 100's of various ethnic groups. In terms of regions of India that we have had a historically close ties to are mostly Kerala, Sri Lanka (not part of India today) and in general South India due to millennia old trade ties and people to people relations. Many Arabs also settled in Sri Lanka, Southern India. Even the ethnic group Malayim or what they are called, claim to be Arab/Kerala mixtures and some DNA tests appear to confirm this.
Sri Lankan Moors - Wikipedia
Islam in Kerala - Wikipedia
One of the oldest moques outside of Arabia was built in Southern India due to millennia old Arab-South India trade ties.
Cheraman Juma Mosque - Wikipedia
The name of that ethnic group in Kerala are Malayalis.
Malayalis - Wikipedia
They are the most frequent ethnic Indian group in KSA and the GCC and they are almost all exclusively Muslim and have an overall good reputation.
It was always strictly business and nothing anti-Pakistan as some here have propagandized due to dislike of Arab regimes or maybe even 500 + million and 20 + Arab countries as a whole. Any way each to their own.
Such fusions are not strange, Arabs did the same in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei (where there are millions of people of Arab (mostly Hijazi and Yemeni) ancestry and similarly in the Sahel and Swahili (Africa) where large ancient groups of Arabs intermarried with local Africans forming a distinct unique local Muslim/Arab hybrid. A good recent example is the Sultanate of Zanzibar and cities such as Mombasa.
In fact the lingua franca of East Africa (Swahili - itself an Arabic word meaning - coasts), is Swahili whose vocabularly is made up of Arabic words up to 33.33%.
Anyway back to India, if new hostile actions from India aimed at Arabs (KSA in particular) due to this deal being signed (which I fully support personally - wish to see it with more Muslim nations), a new paradigm needs to occur.
Anyway I am trying to be brutally honest here and tell Pakistanis that are unfamiliar with the Arab world and Arabs, how we view India and Indians and from which lens.
In a perfect world, Pakistan and India would at least burry the hatched and have peaceful relations and benefit from each other economically etc. Millions of Pakistanis with ties to India originally and the biggest ethnic group in Pakistan (Punjabis) have their cousins in India next door. Not to mention 200 + million Indian Muslims. Say what you want but unless an Indian is openly anti-Muslim or anti-Arab, I see no reason to hate/see him/her as a hostile person.
Just being honest here.
As for how the average Indian sees Pakistanis and whether or not India has any territorial claims on Pakistan (outside of Kashmir), I have frankly no idea about, but if so, it makes it much more difficult for Pakistan (obviously), to look at India, at how say Arabs, Iranians, Turks, Indonesians and others look at it.
But if the Kashmir problem is solved in a satisfactory manner and the rabid anti-Muslim sentiments of many Indian Hindus are controlled and some kind of reconciliation is achieved, I see it far easier for Pakistan and India to burry the hatched (at least accept each others existence) than say Palestinians and Israelis burying the hatchet.
How do Saudi people perceive about this development? It came as a surprise to me, suddenly I saw Pakistani flags propping up all over Riyadh and next day defence pact signed lol.
I hope Turkey gets inclusion too and we end up making Islamic NATO which really do more than just condemnation. Hate this word already
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
Prophet Ibrahim (as) was Semite native to the Arab world (Southern Iraq). The Jewish Abrahamic claim is weaker than that of the Arabs. No to mention that the only remotely "genuine/real" Jews of today (ethnically) are the Israeli Arab Jews whose parents, grandparents or great-grandparents were from Arab countries (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, KSA, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc. etc.) and even with them it is doubtful if they are genuinely related to Jews/Israelites from 2500 + years ago. In fact I believe that native Muslim Arabs (non-Israelis) have far more genuine "Jews/Abrahamic" (in fact this is a genetic fact already) blood than them. Let alone the Ashkenazi/European Jews. This explains why Saudi Arabians and Yemenis for instance, score continuously high "Yemeni Jew" percentages on those DNA tests.
Let those rabid Zionists first control tiny Palestine fully (never going to happen IMO), before they try to make silly adventures.
Arabs are fragmented, divided into 20 + countries and regimes, and currently undergoing an overall dark age (with few exceptions, GCC being one of them), but even Arabs at our weakest, 6-8 million Israeli Jews, without US/Western support 24/7, I doubt would be able to defeat a few armed Arab clans or tribes, let alone 20 + Arab countries and 550 + million Arabs (by 2050 almost 850 million). If we pissed in the direction of Israel at the same time, we would drawn them.
Don't forget that the Jews were under the boots of Arabs for much of the past 2500 years to the extend that most of them (in the modern day era) were Arab Jews to begin with.
That tells the entire story.
Remove the US/West/NATO support since before 1948, and let us see if they would even survive for 1 day if hostile.
Funny that before blind US/Western support, Jews never behaved this way against Arabs or Muslims. We all know why.
Give Arabs free nuclear weapons, the best and latest technology and political immunity and see what would happen to those 6-8 million Jews.
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