Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

Trailer23 said:
Need to get Culki Sharma's analysis - with all her pauses in speech.

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I called it 30mins back & its already LIVE...

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Just...why are we helping Arabs again when they have proven time and time again they don't give a shit about us?
 
_Arabia_ said:
6-7 month break, family obligations (another child) and life in general prevented me from writing here and using the internet/social media much. Good to see you well and alive as well brother and all the other users here that I remember and have interacted with even if we have not always agreed with everything. Which is good as echo chambers are boring.

As you know Saudi Arabians and Arabs as a whole in general, especially those of us that are religious (vast majority to this day thankfully), have great respect for Pakistan as the arguably main military Muslim power. I always wanted to see a strong and powerful Pakistan that was more involved in our region because I believe that Pakistanis are friends of Arabs and genuinely want the best for us (by large). We are also bound by religion, culture, millennia old history (that I described earlier in this thread going back to IVC, Sumer, Dilmun and Magan etc. - we are talking at least 5000 + years), ancestry (Arabs and Pakistanis are far closer than with most other people for instance say with Europeans, Indonesians, Africans and many others - just check every single DNA tests - the whole Western Asia region spanning until Pakistan is fairly closely related - all of us are largely olive-skinned/brown Caucasians racially), many people to people relations (intermarriages, work, people to people in the past 50-70 years) and even before Pakistan was created and even before modern-day KSA (1932 onwards - various Saudi states existed 250 + years prior let alone the many other entities before that), used to have trade and people to people relations long before. How Islam was also spread to Sindh (no coincidence given the IVC angle).

Anyway you live and have lived in KSA for much of your live, you know the people and country, unlike Pakistanis based in the West whose only experience with KSA might have been family members visiting for Hajj, Umrah, mostly propaganda news etc. hence all the blanket (often) ridiculous statements of Arabs (in particular KSA who are some of the most diverse and tolerant Muslim nations as you know, every single ethnic group live in KSA and almost every single Muslim ethnic group from Bosniaks to Indonesians, are Saudi Arabians (citizens) due to century old migrations, Hajj, Umrah etc. There is this failed/wrong opinion of Arabs (in particular from GCC - who ironically are far, far less racist than many other Arabs, lol), see non-Arab Muslims as worse people. Nothing could be more wrong. It only happens from a small segment of people, the same people who view other Arab clans, tribes and certain Arabs for not being Arab enough. You have those same segment of people saying that 90% of Saudi Arabians are not real Arabs and only they are. So such tiny minority people are retarded and nothing can be done to cure them before they wise up. We are talking about a very tiny minority here that is also dying off luckily.

But I can tell you that you can find such people in every Arab and Muslim country and I can tell you that some of those idiots, from other Arab countries, for instance call some Arabs from Arabia for Pakistanis and Indians as some kind of slur. So there are retards everywhere but luckily they are a small/tiny, albeit often loud minority everywhere. I believe that they are found in Pakistan as well, at least I have seen similar stupid comments on PDF from a few users based on other ethnic groups (Afghans, Arabs, Iranians, Turks etc.).

Now with a rabid Zionist entity attacking everyone in the region, we need to unite politically as Muslim nations and do what should have been done many decades ago.

So personally I am very happy about this news but I hope that it will result in tangible results on the military front but also economic front and in key sectors such as agriculture, healtcare, infrastructure, petrochemicals, IA, technology, renewables, tourism and everything else. For the benefit of ordinary people in both countries, not just elites.
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First of all many many congratulations on your new born and may he/she grow up to be as wise as his/her father. Ameen

As far as Saudis and this country is concerned, I've been to Pakistan 3 times in my life, first time to get married and 2 yearly visits because my parents moved back to Islamabad. After visitng Pakistan, I developed even deeper respect for this country and I hope we become half as decent as Saudis. I envy the respect Saudis have for each other which completely lacks among Pakistanis.

The true enemy of mortality is poverty so I hope we become economically better faster with cooperations other than defence as youve mentioned because there is immense potential in our people, in corporate world you will find Pakistanis in important positions so the potential is there but due to lack of vision in our leaders we are behind the rest of the world. If we were not corrupt we would be in a better position than India today.

I hope and pray that we get rid of this cancer from the region but unfortunately it won't go away without violence. They are faasid since centuries and SubhanAllah it is also a miracle from Allah that we can see right infront of our eyes what we have been warned in Quran and hadiths 1400 years ago.
 
Trigger said:
Just...why are we helping Arabs again when they have proven time and time again they don't give a shit about us?
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cage needs to be enlarged but not large enough!

watch Troy, biggest cage was the head of Agamamnon!
 
The Turkish defense analyst Ardan Zenturk, editor-in-chief of M5 (Turkey's highest circulating magazine on defense), proposed for Turkey a nuclear deterrence treaty with Pakistan back in 2019! The KSA has implemented it....

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After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, this honor of safeguarding the Haremin and Hijaz is being put on the shoulders of the Pak Deep State and her Deep Nation....

Ey Omer Fahrettin Pasha, the last Ottoman commander in Medina, you can now sleep in peace....

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Ali_Baba said:
I don't think so dude .. Iran and Saudia have more in common now, than they disagree with, and Iran fully understands the support Pakistan provided during the standoff and it understands that Pakistan help alot with building good relations with China aswell.
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I agree - The Iranians are too focused n recovering from the US backed Israeli strikes and rebuild for future strikes - they don’t have the incentive to open (or heat up) another front with Pakistan+Saudi Arabia.
 
Pakistan as 'net security provider' for Arabian peninsula

Islamabad-Riyadh pact marks strongest-ever security commitment between two long-time allies​

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Zebunnisa Burki
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September 18, 2025
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman greets Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, September 17, 2025. — Reuters
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman greets Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, September 17, 2025. — Reuters
Analysts say that Wednesday’s Pakistan-Saudi Arabia defence pact is set to redraw the security map of the Gulf, signalling shifting alliances and waning Arab trust in US security guarantees.

Late Wednesday evening, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman signed a Strategic Mutual Defence Agreement in Riyadh, according to which an attack on either nation would be treated as an act of aggression against both. The pact marks the strongest-ever security commitment between the two long-time allies.


“With this agreement, Pakistan will become anchored as the Arabian peninsula’s net security provider for years to come”, foreign policy analyst Uzair Younus told The News late Wednesday night. Younus believes the move “is most surely driven by the recent attacks on Doha”, which have forced a “rapid recalibration of security needs in the Arabian peninsula”.

Former Pakistani ambassador Touqir Hussain, who is based in Washington DC, describes the joint statement as a reaffirmation of a decades-old strategic partnership. The agreement, he says, “is of course significant in that it reiterates Pakistan-Saudi historical security and defence cooperation”. Equally important, if not more, he adds, “is the timing of the joint statement and what it signifies for the future”. He notes that “coming in the wake of the Doha Summit”, the Pakistan-Saudi pact “shows that the Gulf countries are not just relying on empty rhetoric but also mean concrete action”.

According to Hussain, the resort to Pakistan is “the first such step with more developments to come, signifying diversification in addition to or away from the US”. This could mean “strengthening of ties with China and easing of tensions with Iran”. It is also clear, he adds, that “Arab trust in US-provided security has eroded irreparably”.

Other veteran diplomats also see the agreement as a major shift. “Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have traditionally maintained close brotherly ties,” explains Javid Husain, who served as Pakistan’s ambassador to Iran from 1997 to 2003. He says the pact would deepen their security cooperation.

For Husain, “especially noteworthy is the provision in the agreement according to which an attack on one country will be considered as an attack on the other”, which he says “will send a loud and clear signal to countries like India or Israel and discourage them from undertaking any aggressive moves against Pakistan or Saudi Arabia”.

Academics analysing the pact have also highlighted how it formalises previously informal understandings. Dr Rabia Akhtar, dean of the Faculty of Social Sciences at the University of Lahore, wrote on social media that: “This pact institutionalises the long-standing but often informal military/security ties into a formalised collective defence pact.”

She added that regarding “nuclear deterrence...at best, this is an implicit reassurance; not a doctrinal shift” and that “Pakistan is unlikely to formally extend its nuclear umbrella to Riyadh, but ambiguity itself may serve Saudi purposes”.

Journalist and analyst Syed Talat Hussain also weighed in on social media, describing the pact as: “Formidable resources meet formidable military competence to produce a game-changing combination. This couldn’t have been more timely and more strategic.”

Meanwhile, international relations expert Huma Baqai told Geo.tv on Wednesday night that the defence pact could reshape regional geopolitics, arguing that it would impact the power matrix of South Asia and the Middle East. She noted that “the 11-hour war established Pakistan and China’s supremacy, and probably triggered this”. According to her, this could also “result in a domino effect of more Gulf and Arab states seeking such alliances”.

Former foreign secretary and ambassador Aizaz Chaudhry echoed these views, telling Geo the pact was a “major breakthrough”, adding that the Saudis had turned to their “most sincere friend”. He said that, while Pakistan-Saudi defence cooperation existed before, the new clause treating aggression against one as aggression against both was unprecedented.

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Analysts say that Wednesday's Pakistan-Saudi Arabia defence pact is set to redraw the security map of the Gulf, signalling shifting alliances and waning Arab trust in US security guarantees.Late Wednesday evening, Prime Minister...
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Malik Abdullah said:
First of all many many congratulations on your new born and may he/she grow up to be as wise as his/her father. Ameen

As far as Saudis and this country is concerned, I've been to Pakistan 3 times in my life, first time to get married and 2 yearly visits because my parents moved back to Islamabad. After visitng Pakistan, I developed even deeper respect for this country and I hope we become half as decent as Saudis. I envy the respect Saudis have for each other which completely lacks among Pakistanis.

The true enemy of mortality is poverty so I hope we become economically better faster with cooperations other than defence as youve mentioned because there is immense potential in our people, in corporate world you will find Pakistanis in important positions so the potential is there but due to lack of vision in our leaders we are behind the rest of the world. If we were not corrupt we would be in a better position than India today.

I hope and pray that we get rid of this cancer from the region but unfortunately it won't go away without violence. They are faasid since centuries and SubhanAllah it is also a miracle from Allah that we can see right infront of our eyes what we have been warned in Quran and hadiths 1400 years ago.
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Inshallah brother, I/we will try to do our best with her and her 3 other male siblings. Not sure if I can handle more children for now and the respect I had for women before, the reality of children have only forced me to respect even more. Truly they are the backbone of our societies in many ways. May Allah (swt) bless you, and shower his blessings upon you, and join you together in goodness. Islamabad is a beautiful city with a nice elevation and climate. It reminds me of Southern Hijaz and Southern KSA and the likes of Abha, Ta'if, Al-Bahah etc. Those Saudi cities and others are located on a elevation 2-3 times higher but they are closer to the equator so climates are similar. Really nice much of the year even during the summer. Luckily Riyadh, even though it is not my city, almost every Saudi Arabian family member of every person is trying to move to Riyadh, I fear that the city will have too much dominance and influence compared to others (wish for Jeddah to have a similar development - now it is occurring but in particular many other cities - in particular Makkah, Ta'if, Jeddah, Yanbu and Al-Bahah- from a selfish family point of view), so the very large size of KSA (12th lagest country on earth) can be reflected by the developments in all regions and not just in the main cities).

At least Riyadh, due to is its elevation (around 750 meters above sea level) and lack of big humidity (unlike say Eastern Arabia (most small GCC coastal states) and Southern Iran and Southern Iraq (and even Karachi) if we are talking about the nearby neigbourhood, there summers (given the humidity) are absolutely brutal and I don't know to this very day how people can survie. In Jeddah there is humidity all year round but temperatures are fairly stable and rarely reach those heights as in Basra, Ahvaz, Kuwait, Doha, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Muscat, Dammam, Al-Khobar etc.

Well, a lot of good and also bad can be said about Saudi Arabains and every nationality in the world but my humble feeling is that we are generally a very welcoming, cheerful, hospitable and generally trustworthy, honorable people. Vast majority of times you can leave your wallet in public and your house open and you will know that it will rarely be stolen.

The only thing, as a practicsing Muslim, that I am at unease about, is the rise of nationalism among locals. I like patriotism and it is needed in many ways in every country (now that we have divided ourselves into nations and ethnic groups) but I do not like superiority complexes towards your own based on ancestry, clan, tribal affiliation, ethnic affilation or even sect affiliation even though I have open disagreements with certain Islamic sects but that is that, those are theological disagreements. This as well as detachment to fellow Arabs and Muslims and the idea that "why should we care, others don't care about us" mentality, that some propagandize based on online exchanges or politics. Very foolish. In particular as a person with ties to Makkah that throughout most of my life (whenever living or visiting) have seen firshand what Muslim brotherhood means in practice when I have encountered people from practically every country on earth and ethnicities all joining hands and for the most part seeing each other as equal Muslims and human beings and a sense of solidarity and brotherhood/sisterhood.

As for Pakistan, no doubt it has enormous potential. Just the population (size) alone would ensure that as well as the achievements of Pakistanis abroad.

As you say the main challenge is poverty, corruption, nepotism etc. something that Pakistan shares with much of the Arab world (it is also presnet in KSA- the nepotism and corruption - Wasta as we call it here), and Muslim world unfortunately but I have hopes that this will eventually be solved because nobody can deny the potential.

As for Israel, I must blatantly and openly admit, that I was at one point naive about them. I though, given that most of them are Arab Jews ethnically, that somehow eventually they would see reason and accept a two-state solution, apologize for their past crimes and pledge to live in peace with neighboring Arabs and Palestinains and try to forge ties with us for the benefit of both, since after all, Islam and Judaism is fairly close and we have many similar beliefs and both are Abrahamic religions (more similar than most other relgions whether we like it or not) and Arabs and Jews also have a shared history on many fronts and used to cooexist and thrive in earlier Islamic empires, but unfortunately what we were told on many fronts by Prophet Muhammad (saws) have come to be fullfilled with some of them and nowadays talk of peace should never occur as long as what occurs in occupied Palestine occurs and I will have this opinion always regardless if every Muslim state eventually recognizes Israel.

It is a rabid dog and state that cannot be reasoned with and unfortunately it controls the most powerful nation on earth (USA) and the West that for one reason or another has been controlling and dominating the world economy which we as Arabs and Muslims cannot completely ignore, unless we want to emulate North Korea and they too can only exist because of Russia and China next door. We do not have that "luxury". The longest border of the Arab world is with the West (Europe) and their meddling (de facto US meddling) is hard to ignore when we are fragmented and divided into 20 + nations and unfortunately Iraq, Libya and others witnessed this first hand and little could be done about this from the Arab and Muslim worlds.

This is why such deals, if they turn into something tangible, are important for the development of the Muslim world because hopefully such deals will spread to the rest of the Muslim world and we will be able to create our own functioning EU-like and NATO-like movement so we don't have to be at the mercy militarily, economically and politically by our enemies or people who want to harm us. I have to go brother, nice talking/seeing you around again and wish the best for you and your family. Inshallah, you and people like you, regardless of origin, will be given Saudi Arabian passports, because personally, and many of us do, we consider you as our own and sons and daughters of Arabia.
 
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